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Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 10:17 pm |
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Rick in NC wrote: Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
Nice try at misleading everyone, again. Please stop posting lies.
The ad campaign was origonally posted on a well funded and popular neocon website, usanext, Kos just reported the story. It was created to smear gays and to smear the AARP for not supporting Bush-it's loony tunes Social Security privatization plan.
Not my pResident is an insult to the United States because he is the worst president in history.
"I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please.
My point, from the start, that you have yet to address, is that every source on this thread is flawed. You use a parody site and two blogs and call it truth. Sorry, chief, if anyone is lying, it is you by calling your sources reliable.
Again, the point of this thread is to insult your president. Nothing more.
So your argument is, " "I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please."
But you said nothing about the well funded and popular neocon website that posted an anti-gay AARP smear ad.
Then you change the subject, I guess because you had no defense of a homophobic, anti-gay, anti-AARP neocon website. Once again you are using illogic to mislead by changing the subject and your arguments when you can't win.
The jist of this thread is correct. It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed. Bush-it and the rest of you neocons are hypocrites. You profess to support gays, and you do when he's a fake reporter shilling for your fake pResident. But, generally, all you really want to do is turn gays into second class citizens. That's what this thread is all about!
Keep on drinking the kool-aid.
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Moral Democratic Majority wrote: Rick in NC wrote: Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
Nice try at misleading everyone, again. Please stop posting lies.
The ad campaign was origonally posted on a well funded and popular neocon website, usanext, Kos just reported the story. It was created to smear gays and to smear the AARP for not supporting Bush-it's loony tunes Social Security privatization plan.
Not my pResident is an insult to the United States because he is the worst president in history.
"I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please.
My point, from the start, that you have yet to address, is that every source on this thread is flawed. You use a parody site and two blogs and call it truth. Sorry, chief, if anyone is lying, it is you by calling your sources reliable.
Again, the point of this thread is to insult your president. Nothing more.
So your argument is, " "I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please."
But you said nothing about the well funded and popular neocon website that posted an anti-gay AARP smear ad.
Then you change the subject, I guess because you had no defense of a homophobic, anti-gay, anti-AARP neocon website. Once again you are using illogic to mislead by changing the subject and your arguments when you can't win.
The jist of this thread is correct. It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed. Bush-it and the rest of you neocons are hypocrites. You profess to support gays, and you do when he's a fake reporter shilling for your fake pResident. But, generally, all you really want to do is turn gays into second class citizens. That's what this thread is all about!
Keep on drinking the kool-aid.
If it's so popular, how come I haven't heard of it. It looks to be a liberal website masquerading as a conservative web site. I think you are just trying to insult your president.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 11:54 pm |
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Moral Democratic Majority wrote: Rick in NC wrote:
"I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please.
My point, from the start, that you have yet to address, is that every source on this thread is flawed. You use a parody site and two blogs and call it truth. Sorry, chief, if anyone is lying, it is you by calling your sources reliable.
Again, the point of this thread is to insult your president. Nothing more.
So your argument is, " "I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please."
But you said nothing about the well funded and popular neocon website that posted an anti-gay AARP smear ad.
Then you change the subject, I guess because you had no defense of a homophobic, anti-gay, anti-AARP neocon website. Once again you are using illogic to mislead by changing the subject and your arguments when you can't win.
The jist of this thread is correct. It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed. Bush-it and the rest of you neocons are hypocrites. You profess to support gays, and you do when he's a fake reporter shilling for your fake pResident. But, generally, all you really want to do is turn gays into second class citizens. That's what this thread is all about!
Keep on drinking the kool-aid.
My argument is that the bare bones of this thread is nothing more than a bash at your president. You know this is what I am getting at, you slide by it in your sentence, "It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed."
Humorous or not, your sources have no more credibility than the other posts you call 'the truth.'
If your thread was anything else, you would have shown something serious without the insult.
Your way to disagree with people is to belittle them, pure and simple. This thread is testament to that fact. If you were serious about logical, positive discourse, you would have dropped that usual "drink your kool-aid" mantra and show me a real source showing where your president is what you say he is.
It's easy to think you won an argument when all you do is villify people and belittle them.
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Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
Bush Male Escort Connection
WASHINGTON (IWR Parody News) - A shocking photograph of President Bush massaging former male hooker (and White House Reporter) Jeff Gannon's scalp turned up on several liberal blogs today.
The Whitehouse immediately denied that Mr. Bush is a flaming, godless homosexual.
"The President just likes to rub bald heads and often when he's on the road alone he hires bald male escorts just so he can rub their heads for good luck," said Scott McClellan.
CAN WE PLEASE NOT SINK TO THEIR LEVEL?
I'M TIRED OF shi* LIKE THIS TAKING AWAY FROM SPACE FOR REAL DEBATE.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 12:01 am |
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Manicman wrote: Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
CAN WE PLEASE NOT SINK TO THEIR LEVEL?
I'M TIRED OF s*** LIKE THIS TAKING AWAY FROM SPACE FOR REAL DEBATE.
I don't agree with the 'to their level' things, as BOTH sides obviously do this, but I completely agree with you otherwise, Manic.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 12:34 am |
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Rick in NC wrote: Moral Democratic Majority wrote: Rick in NC wrote:
"I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please.
My point, from the start, that you have yet to address, is that every source on this thread is flawed. You use a parody site and two blogs and call it truth. Sorry, chief, if anyone is lying, it is you by calling your sources reliable.
Again, the point of this thread is to insult your president. Nothing more.
So your argument is, " "I disagree with you so I am lying? Oh, please."
But you said nothing about the well funded and popular neocon website that posted an anti-gay AARP smear ad.
Then you change the subject, I guess because you had no defense of a homophobic, anti-gay, anti-AARP neocon website. Once again you are using illogic to mislead by changing the subject and your arguments when you can't win.
The jist of this thread is correct. It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed. Bush-it and the rest of you neocons are hypocrites. You profess to support gays, and you do when he's a fake reporter shilling for your fake pResident. But, generally, all you really want to do is turn gays into second class citizens. That's what this thread is all about!
Keep on drinking the kool-aid.
My argument is that the bare bones of this thread is nothing more than a bash at your president. You know this is what I am getting at, you slide by it in your sentence, "It may be humorous, but nothing is flawed."
Humorous or not, your sources have no more credibility than the other posts you call 'the truth.'
If your thread was anything else, you would have shown something serious without the insult.
Your way to disagree with people is to belittle them, pure and simple. This thread is testament to that fact. If you were serious about logical, positive discourse, you would have dropped that usual "drink your kool-aid" mantra and show me a real source showing where your president is what you say he is.
It's easy to think you won an argument when all you do is villify people and belittle them.
It's not a bash at not my president. It is a truthful but satirical comment about the hypocrisy in the Bush-it adiministration.
But, you are still using illogical ad hominems as your arguments. Why can't you comment on what this thread is really about? Let me give the topic of this thread to you, once again.
This thread is about the hypocrisy of the Bush-it administration's willingness to defend a gay Republican male prostitute because his fake job was a White House insider paid mouthpiece of neocon propaganda. Yet, in reality, the Republicans are nothing but homophobic, gay bashers who want to turn gays into second class citizens.
Why don't you make a comment about that? Anything else you say, is irrelevent to the above defined topic of this thread.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 12:50 am |
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Democracy For America drives home, so to speak, my point:
http://blogforamerica.com/
Tuesday, February 22, 2005
STOP DISHONEST, BIGOTED ATTACKS:
SIGN THE PETITION
You won't be surprised to hear who they hired to publicize their efforts: the same team of hatchet men that ran the swift boat smear campaign against John Kerry. Now they are targeting the AARP, a group that millions of seniors rely on to defend their interests.
We must stop these people... now.
Sign our petition to stop these dishonest, bigoted attacks from spreading any further:
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/StopUSANext
Your petition will be delivered to every TV station that aired the swift boat ads during the 2004 campaign and any station that airs this new garbage in 2005. Stations were duped once by this group making false claims -- we can't let it happen again. If TV stations give USA Next a platform, they will be abetting the same kind of disgraceful slander as the swift boat ads.
We know now that a Bush-Cheney campaign official advised the swift boat group. And USA Next has worked closely with the Bush White House in the past.
Now newspaper reports suggest the group is giving President Bush cover -- the New York Times quoted one USA Next source saying that its campaign would be so aggressively negative that the White House can't be seen to be a part of it.
I wasn't sure how low they'd go until I saw the above graphic. I was shocked. Insinuations that the AARP are "communist" on their web site are ridiculous, but USA Next's advertising campaign manages to be both un-patriotic and outrageously bigoted at the same time. It's time to sign the petition to stop the hate speech now:
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/StopUSANext
Mainstream America knows that Social Security is the cornerstone of our social safety net. This Democratic achievement cured an epidemic of poverty and guarantees a retirement with dignity for everyone.
But fringe ideologues and powerful corporate interests want to end all that -- and they are willing to do anything to win. The pharmaceutical industry has used USA Next as a soft-money slush fund for years. And the group is run by a well-known operative from the radical right.
They have committed to spending millions on propaganda and hate-speech to distort the facts and smear their opponents.
Let's draw the line in the sand now:
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/StopUSANext
Thank you,
Tom Hughes
Executive Director
Democracy for America
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MDM, your initial post is this:
"WASHINGTON (IWR Parody News) - A shocking photograph of President Bush massaging former male hooker (and White House Reporter) Jeff Gannon's scalp turned up on several liberal blogs today.
The Whitehouse immediately denied that Mr. Bush is a flaming, godless homosexual.
"The President just likes to rub bald heads and often when he's on the road alone he hires bald male escorts just so he can rub their heads for good luck," said Scott McClellan. "
This, MDM is your post. Look deeper all you want, but you posted a bash session on your president.
If you wanted to post something about hypocracy, you had plenty of space to do it in. You, my friend, are changing the point. There is nothing in this inital post than insults your duly-elected president.
It's easy to say "What I really meant when I posted was..." after someone calls you on it. Nice try chief.
Again, when you are ready to PM me with some REAL, credible information to discuss, you let me know. I won't be responding to this post any longer- frankly, it is a waste of my time.
I would like to commend you on your most recent posting, by the way. I knew you could post without lavish insult.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 01:09 am |
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Rick in NC wrote: MDM, your initial post is this:
"WASHINGTON (IWR Parody News) - A shocking photograph of President Bush massaging former male hooker (and White House Reporter) Jeff Gannon's scalp turned up on several liberal blogs today.
The Whitehouse immediately denied that Mr. Bush is a flaming, godless homosexual.
"The President just likes to rub bald heads and often when he's on the road alone he hires bald male escorts just so he can rub their heads for good luck," said Scott McClellan. "
This, MDM is your post. Look deeper all you want, but you posted a bash session on your president.
Wrong, it is not a bash session. It is satire. SATIRE - 1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
If you wanted to post something about hypocracy, you had plenty of space to do it in. You, my friend, are changing the point. There is nothing in this inital post than insults your duly-elected president.
It's easy to say "What I really meant when I posted was..." after someone calls you on it. Nice try chief.
Again, when you are ready to PM me with some REAL, credible information to discuss, you let me know. I won't be responding to this post any longer- frankly, it is a waste of my time.
I would like to commend you on your most recent posting, by the way. I knew you could post without lavish insult.
You still don't get it. After I have stated the topic of this thread on several occasions, you are either intentionally and illogically straying from commenting on it, or the concept of staying on topic is beyond your menal comprehension. Last edited on Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 01:10 am by Moral Democratic Majority
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| That picture that the Demon posted is not a picture from USANext. It's from Howards Deans website. This picture is a fabrication, and meant to mislead( imagine, democrats trying to mislead everyone). It's more shameful propaganda from the seed of Chucky himself, Immoral Demonic Moron.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 07:58 am |
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proudnfree wrote: That picture that the Demon posted is not a picture from USANext. It's from Howards Deans website. This picture is a fabrication, and meant to mislead( imagine, democrats trying to mislead everyone). It's more shameful propaganda from the seed of Chucky himself, Immoral Demonic Moron.
Idiot liar, that offensive picture was first published on usanext's website a couple days ago, not http://www.DemocracyforAmerica.com who just posted it on Tuesday! You are trying to mislead the readers if you say otherwise.
Check out the blog post date at:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/21/164929/948
http://www.spectator.org was running it, but now they and usanext are running a generic anti-AARP picture in it's place. They didn't remove it because they felt guilty about it. They removed it because, their viewers objected to it so much!
Once again, It is not a fabrication made up by Liberals! Neocons really made up and posted the shameful anti-gay, anti-AARP propaganda ad on their websites.
proudnfree is really just shamefulnstupidliar!
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Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 11:03 pm |
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Jeff Gannon retrospective in Video
A collection of the many questions, answers, interviews and satire video clips that has made up the Gannon/Gate story so far.
Please use http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/02/22.html#a1669 as the url to link the video.
For Mac Users trying to view videos: Option+click on the video icon, that will download the file to your desktop, then it should play fine from there. We are working on a QT version.
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| This is your best argument? Political satirical cartoons?
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Manicman wrote:
Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
Bush Male Escort Connection
WASHINGTON (IWR Parody News) - A shocking photograph of President Bush massaging former male hooker (and White House Reporter) Jeff Gannon's scalp turned up on several liberal blogs today.
The Whitehouse immediately denied that Mr. Bush is a flaming, godless homosexual.
"The President just likes to rub bald heads and often when he's on the road alone he hires bald male escorts just so he can rub their heads for good luck," said Scott McClellan.
CAN WE PLEASE NOT SINK TO THEIR LEVEL?
I'M TIRED OF s*** LIKE THIS TAKING AWAY FROM SPACE FOR REAL DEBATE.
Due to public exposure ,Bush had to lose his man date...![[allamerican]](/forums/themes/default/allamerican.gif)
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Moral Democratic Majority wrote:
I think if I lived in Pittsburgh, I'd be embarassed.
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| Oh, I get it. MDM you clearly have the hots for the president. Clearly. Now why don't you stop jacking off and get back to work there at the Navy Federal Credit Union before I tell your boss.
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Halo Sniper wrote: This is your best argument? Political satirical cartoons?
What are you besides stupid? Have you tried reading the last seven pages?
There's more to follow too!
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iheartamerica wrote: Oh, I get it. MDM you clearly have the hots for the president. Clearly. Now why don't you stop jacking off and get back to work there at the Navy Federal Credit Union before I tell your boss.
You're just a kool-aid drinking neocon zombie, without a brain. Now get back to work at being stupid.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 12:27 pm |
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I got this in an email this morning from DCCC.org
Stop the Propaganda
Ed. Note: This message was just sent out to all of our supporters from Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (NY-28), Ranking Member on the Committee on Rules.
Dear Friend,
 For any other White House, the fact that a partisan operative managed to masquerade as a reporter in the White House press corps might be taken as a slip. But this is no ordinary White House, and in fact, this was no ordinary partisan operative. It has now become clear that the reporter for Talon News known as "Jeff Gannon" was actually James D. Guckert, an individual who had no journalistic credentials whatsoever.
Sign the Petition to Stop the Propaganda.
During the February 10 White House briefing, Press Secretary Scott McClellan stated that Jeff Gannon, "...like anyone else, showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly" in order to receive his day pass to press briefings. It has now been confirmed that Jeff Gannon was in the White House briefing room, actively participating in these briefings, as early as February 28, 2003 a full month before Talon News even existed.
For almost two years Gannon breezed through security and was allowed to lob softball questions to spokesman Scott McClellan and even President Bush himself - culminating in an absurd and factually inaccurate question to the President on national television about how he could deal with Senate Democrats "who seem to have divorced themselves from reality."
Wait, there's more.
We've also learned that in December of 2003, Gannon bragged to Talon News that he'd had access to classified documents revealing the identity of former Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife as a covert operative for the CIA.
At the time Gannon said, "For something that is supposed to be classified, it seems that this document is easily accessible." He added, "Washington is leaking like a cheap umbrella." Talon News, the "news outlet" that Mr. Guckert worked for was at best a front for a Republican activist website called GOPUSA.com owned by a Texas Republican. Worse yet, Gannon's news "stories" consisted mostly of verbatim Republican press releases and claims that John Kerry "might someday be known as 'the first gay president.'"
It has been well over a week since I wrote President Bush seeking answers in this matter. I have not yet received a reply. Along with Rep. John Conyers, I have also submitted a Freedom of Information Act request for all DHS records regarding Mr. Guckert's admittance into the White House. With each new revelation it becomes more and more clear that the relationship between the White House and Jeff Gannon was anything but typical.
It is time for this Administration to stop the stonewalling and come clean with the American people.
I have worked on media fairness and reform throughout my stay in the House, and never have I seen such an open assault on the standards of a free press as I have in the past four years. We have seen several right wing pundits who were being paid with tax dollars to promote Administration policies with no disclosure. We have seen fake news reports distributed to media outlets with no indication of their origin; we have seen those fake segments deemed "illegal covert propaganda" by the General Accounting Office; and then we have seen the White House simply continue on with the technique completely unphased.
We now know that prior to the war in Iraq, Iraqi exiles with checkered pasts, allied with (and paid by) the White House distributed bogus intelligence on WMD to produce perhaps more than 100 newspaper articles hyping the case for war! Even now President Bush flies around the country at taxpayer expense holding televised "town hall discussions" on Social Security in which nobody who does not support him is allowed in.
This must stop, and it must stop now. This sort of manipulation of the free press - one of most pivotal checks & balances in our Constitution - demonstrates a contempt for democracy, the rule of law, and the great people of this nation, many of whom trust this president with all their hearts.
I ask you to stand with me - and the DCCC - in demanding an end to the propaganda.
Please sign our petition:
http://www.democraticaction.org/propaganda/index.php?source=feb22home
Sincerely,
Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (NY-28)
Ranking Member, Committee on Rules
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