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Gabriel43
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:00 am |
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Sen. John Kerry, who called for Karl Rove to be fired over allegations that he revealed the identity of CIA employee Valerie Plame, outed a genuine undercover CIA agent just this past April - even after the Agency asked that his identity be kept secret.
Kerry blew the cover of CIA secret operative Fulton Armstrong during confirmation hearings for U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton. Questioning Bolton, Kerry asked: "Did Otto Reich share his belief that Fulton Armstrong should be removed for his position?" - according to a transcript excerpted by the New York Times.
"The answer is yes," the top Democrat continued.
In his response to Kerry, Mr. Bolton did his best to maintain the agent's confidentiality, reverting to the Armstrong's pseudonym.
"As I said," he told Kerry, "I had lost confidence in Mr. Smith, and I conveyed that."
Two years earlier, Armstrong had been identified in news reports on his dispute with other officials over intelligence involving Cuba. But he was operating in a different capacity and his identity wasn't secret at the time.
"When the Bolton nomination resurrected the old accounts, however, the C.I.A. asked news organizations to withhold his name," the Times said.
Apparently the CIA directive wasn't good enough for Sen. Kerry - who outed Armstrong anyway and later defended the move by saying his Republican colleague, Senator Richard Lugar, had also mentioned the name.
And besides, said Kerry, the secret agent's name "had already been in the press."
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:03 am |
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200504120007
Drudge tried to smear Kerry with false AP charge that he outed CIA operative
Conservative Internet gossip Matt Drudge attempted to smear Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) by linking to an Associated Press report that falsely suggested that Kerry and Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN) "may have blown" the cover of CIA officer Fulton Armstrong.
Drudge went further than the AP in implicating Kerry. Omitting Lugar's name, he titled the link simply "Kerry Blows CIA Agent Cover?..." The AP article, written by AP diplomatic writer Anne Gearan, reported that Kerry and Lugar both mentioned Armstrong by name during the April 11 Senate confirmation hearings of John Bolton, President Bush's nominee to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and falsely suggested that they "may have blown his cover" by doing so.
In fact, while Bolton's critics had apparently not previously mentioned Armstrong in connection with allegations that Bolton tried to retaliate against an intelligence analyst who corrected the text of a speech he delivered, government, news, and non-profit sources had publicly identified Armstrong as a CIA officer on multiple occasions prior to the April 11 hearing. In claiming that Armstrong "works covertly," Gearan apparently overlooked several significant references:
- Former intelligence official Larry C. Johnson referred to "a senior CIA analyst by the name of Fulton Armstrong" in a January 23, 2004, interview with Salon.com.
- A House International Relations Committee schedule for the week of February 24, 2003, identified "Mr. Fulton Armstrong (Invited), National Intelligence Officer for Latin America, CIA" as a possible witness for a hearing titled "Overview of U.S. Policy Toward the Western Hemisphere."
- A summary of a 2001 conference hosted by the National Intelligence Council (NIC), an agency that advises the director of central intelligence, titled "Prospects for WTO Trade Negotiations After Seattle: Foreign Strategies and Perspectives," identified Armstrong as a "National Intelligence Officer" for Latin America, a post within the NIC that "reports to the Director of Central Intelligence in his capacity as head of the US Intelligence Community."
- A [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20030221010457/http://www.amanet.org/events/latin_america/speakers.htm]listing[/url] of "expert speakers" on the website of the American Management Association identified "Fulton Armstrong, National Intelligence Officer for Latin America, long-time C.I.A. expert in the region." (That page is no longer posted on the website but is available through the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.)
The faulty AP story appeared in major newspapers including the Los Angeles Times, Newsday, and The Washington Post, which actually expunged Armstrong's name from the version of the story it published despite it having been widely reported both before the hearing, as noted above, and in coverage of the hearing.
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:08 am |
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I guess Kerry couldn't have leaked his name considering the NIC put a bio of him on the internet.
http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_personnel.htmlLast edited on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:09 am by plastic_glasses
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:11 am |
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The Factor
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:13 am |
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excuse me, my junior high friend... Kerry should be fired! Resign! Ahhhhh@
wait... im not a liberal
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Gabriel43
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:15 am |
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plastic_glasses wrote: http://mediamatters.org/items/200504120007
Far left wing propaganda machine. Could you pick a source a little further left? NO!
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:15 am |
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You could call for him to resign...if he actually leaked an undercover agent's name.
Didn't you read my posts?
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:16 am |
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Gabriel43 wrote: plastic_glasses wrote: http://mediamatters.org/items/200504120007
Far left wing propaganda machine. Could you pick a source a little further left? NO!
Sure, I'll find another.
By the way, what was your source?
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:18 am |
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Here Gabe,
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/
Fulton Armstrong's name was mentioned April 11, 2005, during Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings over the nomination of John Bolton to be US ambassador to the UN. Several news stories appeared that raised the question of whether Senators Kerry and Lugar had thus "outted" Armstrong. At the time, however, Armstrong's name already appeared in various places on the web, including at the CIA's own website.
Currently it is unknown why John Bolton was apparently intent on "protecting" information that was already readily available to the public.
Is this one OK or should I find another?
Last edited on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:19 am by plastic_glasses
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Feingold_in_08
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:22 am |
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| Funny, don't think he listed a source. Thing is, had John Kerry been the first to leak the operative's name, we would have heard of it before this mess with Karl Rove. Coincidental timing, eh? This is just some half-assed attempt to take the fire off of Rove.
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:22 am |
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Here's another, I belive the source is independant
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43759
An Associated Press story said Sens. John Kerry and Richard Lugar may have "blown" a CIA agent's cover during confirmation hearings for John Bolton, but the agent's name has been cited publicly at least four times in the past few years.
AP diplomatic writer Anne Gearan wrote that in the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee's hearing yesterday on Bolton's nomination by President Bush as ambassador to the U.N., Chairman Lugar and Kerry "both mentioned a name, Fulton Armstrong, that had not previously come up in public accounts of the intelligence flap."
Gearan added, "It is not clear whether Armstrong is the undercover officer, but an exchange between Kerry and Bolton suggests that he may be."
But Armstrong's name already has turned up in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Salon.com and the now-defunct, Washington Times-owned Insight on the News, according to Jeffrey Lewis, research fellow at the Center for International and Security Studies at the University of Maryland.
During the hearing, the AP reported, Bolton and members of panel referred to "Mr. Smith'' as one official among several in a dispute over what Democrats asserted was Bolton's inappropriate treatment of an intelligence analyst who disagreed with him.
The Washington Post ran the AP story but chose to censor Armstrong's name in a quote by Kerry: "Did Otto Reich share his belief that [the person in question] should be removed from his position? The answer is yes," Kerry said, characterizing one interview. "Did John Bolton share that view?" Kerry asked. Again, he said the answer was yes.
Writing in his weblog, Lewis said that after Lugar mentioned Armstrong's name in opening remarks, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., suggested there was something untoward about mentioning Armstrong’s name and everyone played along with the ridiculous 'Mr. Smith' charade until Kerry read Armstrong’s name in a transcript."
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:29 am |
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Gabriel43
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:29 am |
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plastic_glasses wrote: Here Gabe,
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/
Fulton Armstrong's name was mentioned April 11, 2005, during Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings over the nomination of John Bolton to be US ambassador to the UN. Several news stories appeared that raised the question of whether Senators Kerry and Lugar had thus "outted" Armstrong. At the time, however, Armstrong's name already appeared in various places on the web, including at the CIA's own website.
Currently it is unknown why John Bolton was apparently intent on "protecting" information that was already readily available to the public.
Is this one OK or should I find another?
So tell me Einstein, why is this any different than Rove outing a desk jockey in the CIA, who was not a covert agent at the time?
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plastic_glasses
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:34 am |
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Gabriel43 wrote: plastic_glasses wrote: Here Gabe,
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/
Fulton Armstrong's name was mentioned April 11, 2005, during Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings over the nomination of John Bolton to be US ambassador to the UN. Several news stories appeared that raised the question of whether Senators Kerry and Lugar had thus "outted" Armstrong. At the time, however, Armstrong's name already appeared in various places on the web, including at the CIA's own website.
Currently it is unknown why John Bolton was apparently intent on "protecting" information that was already readily available to the public.
Is this one OK or should I find another?
So tell me Einstein, why is this any different than Rove outing a desk jockey in the CIA, who was not a covert agent at the time?
She was an undercover agent. Do some research.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/12/cia.leaks/index.html
Rove put her life in even more danger just to get back at Plame's husband. That's just sick.
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:35 am |
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Gabriel43 wrote: plastic_glasses wrote: Here Gabe,
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/
Fulton Armstrong's name was mentioned April 11, 2005, during Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings over the nomination of John Bolton to be US ambassador to the UN. Several news stories appeared that raised the question of whether Senators Kerry and Lugar had thus "outted" Armstrong. At the time, however, Armstrong's name already appeared in various places on the web, including at the CIA's own website.
Currently it is unknown why John Bolton was apparently intent on "protecting" information that was already readily available to the public.
Is this one OK or should I find another?
So tell me Einstein, why is this any different than Rove outing a desk jockey in the CIA, who was not a covert agent at the time?
This crosses the line of stupidity, and enters the realm of brazen disregard for truth. You have been visually assaulted with the facts of the case, the only rason you would believe that crap is if you closed your eyes while perusing this site.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/
"If she were only an analyst, not an operative, we would not have filed a crimes report" with the Justice Department, a senior intelligence official said.
Rove outed her, and her entire cover company. Bravo asshol*.
Last edited on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:36 am by Threepac
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Thomas Paine
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:36 am |
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gabshine admit it. The glasses waxed you on this one. There is no spinning out of it. Good job pg on your arguments and facts to back it up . Gabshine you need to be able to back up your cut and paste with something. Your making it too easy for these guys. Good Luck. Last edited on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:37 am by Thomas Paine
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:37 am |
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Thomas Paine wrote:
gabshine admit it. The glasses waxed you on this one. There is no spinning out of it. Good job pg on your arguments and facts to back it up . Gabshine you need to be able to back up your cut and paste with something. Your making it too easy for these guys. Good Luck.
Touche!
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Gabriel43
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:38 am |
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Thomas Paine wrote: gabshine admit it. The glasses waxed you on this one. There is no spinning out of it. Good job pg on your arguments and facts to back it up . Gabshine you need to be able to back up your cut and paste with something. Your making it too easy for these guys. Good Luck. Gabeshine?
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:38 am |
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I believe he was dubbed "Gabby the Clown." By the way, who is this Sonshine character that everyone keeps calling Gabby the Clown?
By the by, nice bitch-slap plastic_glasses.
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Gabriel43
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 04:39 am |
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Gabriel43 wrote: plastic_glasses wrote: Here Gabe,
http://schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/intelligence_officers/fulton_armstrong/
Fulton Armstrong's name was mentioned April 11, 2005, during Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings over the nomination of John Bolton to be US ambassador to the UN. Several news stories appeared that raised the question of whether Senators Kerry and Lugar had thus "outted" Armstrong. At the time, however, Armstrong's name already appeared in various places on the web, including at the CIA's own website.
Currently it is unknown why John Bolton was apparently intent on "protecting" information that was already readily available to the public.
Is this one OK or should I find another?
So tell me Einstein, why is this any different than Rove outing a desk jockey in the CIA, who was not a covert agent at the time? Please answer the question Glasses/Paine.
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