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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:00 am |
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Rokerijdude11 wrote: quote by Extol
" so why would they care about the registration numbers.?"
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that would quite simply and very easily DISPEL ANY CONSPIRACY ABOUT WHAT CRASHED WHERE they never guessed some people would doubt them so they never found the need to dispel any conspiracy theory.
a simple explanation a report and a photo or two and the conspiracy about what crashed into the pentagon is OVER FINITO end of story
serial Numbers would irrefutably show the "AIRTIGHT" case you all talk about but no one can produce........
a simple look at these tags......seee they are from ....blah blah blah built in 97 commissioned in 99 airframe number....blah blah blah flight number blah blah blah
really simple so is my answer. its kind of like if your car got destroyed...you would expect everyone to beileve that you didnt destroy your own car.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:02 am |
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Knight Templar wrote: Hey, Polemic... I have a crazy "Conspiracy Theory" for your consideration...
19 Arab terrorists (many on State Dept. Watch Lists) are all given visas to come to the USA. Many live on US military bases, and some even rent apartments from FBI agents.
They buy airline tickets for Sept. 11.. in their own names. A bunch of them are (supposedly) stopped and searched at their airports, but, not one is detained. No photos exist of ANY hijackers boarding any hijacked planes.
Using box-cutters and PLASTIC KNIVES, they successfully hijack 4 airplanes, and spend an hour and a half flying them around the Northeast Corridor, while the military can't seem to intercept ANY of them.
Wow! What a CRAZY Conspiracy Theory!!
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:06 am |
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extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings.
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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:08 am |
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Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:08 am |
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extol wrote:
its kind of like if your car got destroyed...you would expect everyone to beileve that you didnt destroy your own car.
Lots of people detroy their own cars.
It's called, "Insurance Fraud."
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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:13 am |
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Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
its kind of like if your car got destroyed...you would expect everyone to beileve that you didnt destroy your own car.
Lots of people detroy their own cars.
It's called, "Insurance Fraud."
what im saying is if your car isnt destroyed by you...you just dont expect people to think that you did it.
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Rokerijdude11
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 12:42 am |
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why not simply end the debate by producing the numbers?
it would make theyre story "AIRTIGHT"
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KeepOurFreedoms
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:01 am |
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extol wrote: Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them. How about Radar? That is what NORAD is trained for. Watching our airspace for "stray" planes.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:31 am |
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extol wrote:
Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them.
The transponder sends the plane's number and altitude to the ATC. Turing it off does not make the plane invisible to flight controllers. Also, the military tracks ALL objects flying over the US using their own systems.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:38 am |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: extol wrote: Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them. How about Radar? That is what NORAD is trained for. Watching our airspace for "stray" planes.
i belive that the radar that most airports used relyed on a signal from the plane...and you probably will ask why didnt they catch the other planes? they just wernt thinking...it was hectic and everything was going crazy and it didnt occur to them that other planes could be headed towards other buildings at the time.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:39 am |
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Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them.
The transponder sends the plane's number and altitude to the ATC. Turing it off does not make the plane invisible to flight controllers. Also, the military tracks ALL objects flying over the US using their own systems. my other post should sum this up.
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Rokerijdude11
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:45 am |
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extol wrote:
KeepOurFreedoms wrote: extol wrote: Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them. How about Radar? That is what NORAD is trained for. Watching our airspace for "stray" planes.
i belive that the radar that most airports used relyed on a signal from the plane...and you probably will ask why didnt they catch the other planes? they just wernt thinking...it was hectic and everything was going crazy and it didnt occur to them that other planes could be headed towards other buildings at the time. they just werent thinking???? Extol...these guys get payed the BIG$$$$$$$$$$ to do just that THINK ON THEYRE TOES one of the highest paying highest STRESS RELATED jobs in the WORLD...they dontjust stop thinking
theyre JOB IS HECTIC AND CRAZY EVERY DAY you live in Blue Island you know then Ohare airport the BUSIEST airport in the world these guys are payed big to do theyre Job in a pressure cooker day in and day out....
they thrive on stress they eat it up chaos and hectic events are what make these guys tick......
Im sorry but There is NO WAY they were just not thinking......
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Rokerijdude11
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:48 am |
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quote by extol
"well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them."
WHAT????????
extol wake up dude its a big sky and they have no way to track them?????
the most advanced military power on the GLOBE and you say they cant track planes in the big sky?????
what were you smokin when you posted that sentance??? get real man
everything in the sky is tracked .....PERIOD either by commercial/private interests or the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:51 am |
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Rokerijdude11 wrote: extol wrote:
KeepOurFreedoms wrote: extol wrote: Knight Templar wrote: extol wrote:
intercept them? like shoot them down? they had no idea at the time that the aircraft would crash into buildings.
"Intercept" does not mean "shoot them down."
The military is ordered to "intercept" the wayward planes and find out what is wrong.
Ohh... after 8:46, they knew the planes were being crashed into buildings. well its a big sky and they made sure that there was no way to track them so its hard to find them. How about Radar? That is what NORAD is trained for. Watching our airspace for "stray" planes.
i belive that the radar that most airports used relyed on a signal from the plane...and you probably will ask why didnt they catch the other planes? they just wernt thinking...it was hectic and everything was going crazy and it didnt occur to them that other planes could be headed towards other buildings at the time. they just werent thinking???? Extol...these guys get payed the BIG$$$$$$$$$$ to do just that THINK ON THEYRE TOES one of the highest paying highest STRESS RELATED jobs in the WORLD...they dontjust stop thinking
theyre JOB IS HECTIC AND CRAZY EVERY DAY you live in Blue Island you know then Ohare airport the BUSIEST airport in the world these guys are payed big to do theyre Job in a pressure cooker day in and day out....
they thrive on stress they eat it up chaos and hectic events are what make these guys tick......
Im sorry but There is NO WAY they were just not thinking...... nothing they have done up to that point is as stressfull as multiple hijackings and then learning that they were used as missiles.
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Rokerijdude11
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:57 am |
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what????your not making any sense Extol
none at all they EVEN TRAIN FOR SCENARIOS SIMILAR TO THIS..
how do you know where each air controller on that day was from? or what they have been through in theyre past?
were you employed there? are these freinds?
these ATC people are the best they could and WOULD have handled this situation with ease
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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 02:59 am |
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Rokerijdude11 wrote: what????your not making any sense Extol
none at all they EVEN TRAIN FOR SCENARIOS SIMILAR TO THIS..
how do you know where each air controller on that day was from? or what they have been through in theyre past?
were you employed there? are these freinds?
these ATC people are the best they could and WOULD have handled this situation with ease so do you think they were in on the consperousy? just like you think the thousands of people who didnt go to the trade centers that day were?
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Rokerijdude11
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 03:01 am |
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what????
your losing it dude
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extol
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Posted: Thu Apr 28th, 2005 03:05 am |
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Rokerijdude11 wrote: what????
your losing it dude no im just remembered an old quote from you...or was it keepourfreedoms? well whatever the point is that every person that was tracking the plane would have to be in on the consperousy right? or accually now that i think of it...why are we argueing about the air traffic controllers at o'hare? the transponder was turned of so they had no part in this senario at all right?
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the norad system was responsible for our protection
NORAD is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with warning of attack against North America, whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, utilizing mutual support arrangements with other commands. Aerospace control includes providing surveillance and control of Canadian and United States airspace. The job of NORAD is to know every inch of the skies over North America.
link to full article
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Elsis273-284.html
2) The United States Air Force (USAF) is the most technologically advanced and the most dominant military force ever known to man. There were seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at: Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, CA; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas.[3]
There were at least 28 other USAF bases that were in range of the 4 airliners on 911.[4
8:25 a.m.: Boston ATC notified several air traffic control centers that a hijack is in progress with American Airlines Flight 11. Boston air traffic control first lost communication with American Airlines Flight 11 more than 11 minutes ago. What took them so long to start to implement procedure? Why didn't they also notify North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) at this time? Or did they?
If they did follow procedure and notify NORAD at 8:25 and NORAD followed protocol and ordered the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts to scramble at say 8:26-two F-15s would have been airborne by no later than 8:32-these F-15s would have had at least 14 minutes and 26 seconds to reach the WTC before American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower (1 World Trade Center) at 8:46:26. If these two F-15s were flying at top speed, 14 minutes and 26 seconds is exactly twice the amount of time needed to reach the WTC. These two F-15s could have been at the WTC in just over 7 minutes, or as early as 8:39. Even a spokesperson for Otis said that their F-15s could reach the WTC in 10 to 12 minutes, which would have them there at 8:42 to 8:44.
These two F-15s could have easily intercepted American Airlines Flight 11. If only Boston ATC, which notified several air traffic control centers that a hijack is in progress with American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:25, had also notified NORAD. Why didn't they? Or did they follow procedure, and notify NORAD, and NORAD is lying about it? Let me state that it is NORAD's job to know every inch of the skies over North America, so they must have known that American Airlines Flight 11 was hijacked somewhere between 8:14 and 8:20.
8:26 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 is heading westnorthwest, its location is between Albany and Lake George, New York, when it suddenly makes a 100 degree turn to the south and starts heading directly toward New York City. American Airlines Flight 11 finds the Hudson River and follows it all the way south until it impacts the north side of the North Tower of the WTC.
Almost 40 miles north of the WTC on the Hudson River is by far the number one terrorist target in the United States, Indian Point and its 3 nuclear power stations, 2 of which are online. These 3 nuclear stations have accumulated 65 years worth of stockpiled highly radioactive waste. Indian Point is only 24 miles north of the New York City border. It is surrounded by the densest concentration of population in the United States, the northeast corridor. Why did American Airlines Flight 11 fly directly over the number one terrorist target in the United States, Indian Point nuclear power stations, and not hit it? (read more about this at 8:39 a.m.)
8:33:59 a.m.: Another transmission from American Airlines Flight 11, "Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves."
8:36 a.m.: A NORAD spokesman, Major Mike Snyder, has been reported to have said that the FAA notified NORAD of a hijacked aircraft, American Airlines Flight 11, about 10 minutes before it impacted into the World Trade Center.
8:37 a.m.: Flight controllers ask the United Airlines Flight 175 pilots to look for the lost American Airlines Flight 11, about 10 miles to the south. They respond that they can see it. They are told to keep away from it. This incident is not included in The New York Times flight controller transcript. Why?
8:38 a.m.: Boston ATC notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 11 has been hijacked.
8:39 a.m. American Airlines Flight 11 flies directly over the number one terrorist target in the United States, Indian Point nuclear power stations. Indian Point has 3 nuclear power stations (1 is offline and the other 2 have been online since 1973 and 1976), which are only 24 miles north of New York City (and about 40 miles north of the WTC).
If American Airlines Flight 11 hits Indian Point correctly in any of three different ways, they could have caused a meltdown and a release of vast amounts of radiation. There are also a cumulative 65 operating years worth of highly radioactive waste stored at Indian Point. Casualties could possibly be upwards of 20 million people prematurely dieing from radiation poisoning. The whole northeast corridor from New York City to Boston would instantly become a wasteland for thousands of years.
Why did American Airlines Flight 11 jeopardize their mission by flying another 7 plus minutes (when they could and should have been intercepted by the USAF) down the Hudson River to hit the WTC between the 94th and 98th floors where they ended up "only" killing less than half of the 3,056 people that died, when they could have hit their enemies' number one target?
The mastermind behind these "terrorists" hijackers would have soon figured out their best and only shot against the strongest military foe in the world would have been to hit them first and hit them as hard as you can. Why didn't they hit Indian Point?
If the terrorists were targeting the WTC, don't you think they would have waited until around 11:00 when these buildings were full with 50,000 plus people? And of course, to cause the most deaths and destruction isn't it elementary to strike these buildings as low as possible, which would have been around the 30th floor?
So, why did this well planned "terrorist" attack kill only 3,056 people when they could have easily killed ten times that many? This reasoning also goes along with the Pentagon attack. Why was the Pentagon hit on the so-called "peaceful" west side, which was mostly under construction as opposed to the command center east side of the Pentagon?
If one plane didn't do the job at Indian Point, two planes most definitely would have done the job. United Airlines Flight 175 also flew very close to Indian Point; it was literally within a couple of minutes flying time.
If two planes didn't do the job (one should and two will), a third plane, United Airlines Flight 93 a Boeing 757-222 will lift off in 3 minutes from Newark International Airport in Newark, New Jersey, bound for San Francisco International Airport, San Francisco, California. Newark International Airport is within 10 minutes flying time of Indian Point.
So three of these airliners could have hit Indian Point within about 13 minutes of each other, between 8:39 and 8:52, if they had wanted to. The whole northeast corridor from New York City to Boston would instantly become a wasteland for thousands of years.[10]
8:40 a.m. Nasty and Duff are the code names of the two F-15 pilots from the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts who would scramble after United Airlines Flight 175. Nasty says that at this time, a colleague tells him that a flight out of Boston has been hijacked and to be on alert. They put on their flight gear and get ready.
8:40 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 11 has been hijacked. Even NORAD officially admitted that the FAA told them about the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:40. As mentioned earlier, American Airlines Flight 11 lost voice contact with ATC at 8:13:31-so for 26 minutes and 29 seconds nothing has been done. American Airlines Flight 11 lost its transponder at 8:20-so for 20 minutes nothing has been done. This doesn't happen accidentally.
OK, the FAA notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 11 has been hijacked-what does NORAD do? Do they immediately scramble the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts? No they don't, they sit on this most vital information for another six minutes.
Stand Down.
8:41:32 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175 last communication with the New York ATC: "We figured we'd wait to go to your center. We heard a suspicious transmission on our departure from BOS [Boston] sounds like someone keyed the mike and said everyone stay in your seats."
8:42 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 a Boeing 757-222 with a maximum capacity of 200 passengers and 11,489 gallons of fuel, lifts off from Newark International Airport in Newark, New Jersey bound for San Francisco International Airport, San Francisco, California. Take-off was scheduled for 8:01. There are supposed to be 44 victims on board, yet when you add up the official death manifest list that was published on CNN.com, there are only 33 victims.
8:42 a.m.: An air traffic controller says of United Airlines Flight 175, looks like he's heading southbound but there's no transponder no nothing and no one's talking to him.
8:43 a.m.: The FAA notifies NORAD that United Airlines Flight 175 has been hijacked. NORAD has officially admitted that the FAA told them about the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 175 at 8:43. So, now NORAD knows about two hijackings-and American Airlines Flight 11 has been barreling down on New York City since turning south at 8:26, and is just 3 minutes away from impacting the WTC. What does NORAD do with this new information? Do they immediately scramble the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts? Again, no they don't, they sit on this most vital information of now two hijacked airliners.Last edited on Thu Apr 28th, 2005 03:13 am by Rokerijdude11
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Knight Templar wrote: Hey, Polemic... I have a crazy "Conspiracy Theory" for your consideration...
Okay. Let's give it a quick lookie see whatcha got.
19 Arab terrorists (many on State Dept. Watch Lists) are all given visas to come to the USA.
Why is that unusual? In the pre-9/11 mentality, there was no threat and visas were not often refused. There was no communication between intelligence services and information was routinely lost within agencies. IF it were a movie, everyone would have been on the same page and the terrs would have been grabbed as they tried to board, but nobody had the script for "World Changing Event" on that fateful Tuesday, except the terrorists.
Many live on US military bases, and some even rent apartments from FBI agents.
Wow! I've read tons of material about the attacks and do not remember ever seeing that. (links would help) But it is a nice touch.
They buy airline tickets for Sept. 11.. in their own names.
They were buying tickets for a one-way ride and would not have to worry about being arrested. Why not use their own names? They were not hiding any more. They were going to be martyred for Allah and their families would be proud. Better that the world should know exactly who did it.
A bunch of them are (supposedly) stopped and searched at their airports, but, not one is detained.
So? They had nothing that was prohibited (or it wasn't found. The detectors and x-rays came AFTER 9/11).
No photos exist of ANY hijackers boarding any hijacked planes.
There were pictures of Atta and a bunch of others going through security published in the days following the attacks.
Using box-cutters and PLASTIC KNIVES, they successfully hijack 4 airplanes,
The first reports said that the terrs were using knives and box cutters to cut passengers and crew to force the flight crews to open the c*ckpit doors.
Remember that nobody was expecting that the hijackers would replace the flight crews with people who could fly well enough to hit their targets and the idea that they might fly into buildings was never considered. The people on the plane were horrified to see their fellow passengers and the crew being carved up, bleeding and screaming for mercy. The flight crews thought they were being humane to the victims by opening up. Little did they know.
and spend an hour and a half flying them around the Northeast Corridor,
The planes were in the air for 31 minutes, or less, after being taken, not 90 minutes.. Maybe the ATCs should have noticed, but the system had 5000 to 10,000 planes in the air at the time of the attack and having four off on their own would not be that noticible.
A plane is controlled by the tower when it takes off and is handed off to a regional center. The plane flies its route and the next controller is notified that the plane is coming. When it reaches the next control center, they take over and so on. If there are no course change or notifications of approaching traffic, they could fly until the next hand off before they are missed.
Once they turned their transponder off, it was supposed to trip an alarm, but it didn't work or the ATCs routinely had falses and ignored the alarm. Once the transponder was off and they left the traffic lane, their deviation from the projected course would not be noticed since they would appear to be nothing more than a Cessna.
while the military can't seem to intercept ANY of them.
There was a time that there were planes in the air and at the ready for any contingency, but the Cold War ended and the previous administration downsized the military, including eliminating those air patrols.
The situation, even with planes being hijacked, was not considered to be THAT critical, because there had been years of history where planes were taken and eventually the passengers and crew were released. Nobody imagined that they would be used as weapons. Sending military aircraft to intercept was not even that much of a priority.
On September 11, the military was operating under rules that strictly banned supersonic speeds over the US (CONUS) anld limited them to .9 Mach = 9 miles/minute.
The threat had to be identified. It took a while before it was realized that the planes were taken.
The locations of the planes had to be ascertained. With the transponders off, there was no label on the ATC radar showing which plane it was, just a blip, along with hundreds of other blips (representing private planes).
And the F-16s had to be directed to intercept. They had to be scrambled and flown to altitude, taking several minutes, too.
The F-16s sent were capable of mach 3 or about 30 miles per minute, but the resulting sonic boom would have wreaked havoc on the ground, so the speed cap was never lifted.
The F-16s to NYC were from Massachusetts and had to cover 240 miles (26.6 minutes flying time at .9 mach). The DC F-16s had to cover 170 miles (according to one source, but another reported that there were two at Andrews AFB for that purpose).
8:15 AM: Flight 11 was commandeered.
8:46 AM: 1 World Trade Center was hit by a 767 jetliner Flight 11.
Total time to intercept - 31 minutes
Of that time, there was a delay before the ATCs became aware that the planes were taken and then the ATCs had to determine their locations and projected destinations before they could hope to send the military after them.
8:42 AM: Flight 175 was commandeered.
9:03 AM: 2 World Trade Center was hit by a 767 jetliner Flight 175.
Total time to intercept - 21 minutes
By the time the first plane hit the WTC, three planes had already been hijacked. Flight 175 was only 17 minutes out. It might have been possible to intercept it if its location were known and they could fly at top speed instead of .9 mach.
9:16 AM: Flight 77 was commandeered.
9:38 AM: The Pentagon was hit in an assault involving a 757 jetliner Flight 77.
Total time to intercept - 22 minutes (or less if they were launched out of Andrews).
35 minutes since second plane into WTC confirmed that there was an attack in progress.
According to their statements, the ATCs apparently believed that this plane was a military plane (due to its speed and manoeuvres). They were aware of a hijacked plane but seemingly didn't put the two together until it was too late. Having the two Interceptors on scene would have helped determine the ID of the plane, but they arrived too late to assist.
8:46 AM: Flight 93 was commandeered.
Total time to intercept - 31 minutes
Eyewitnesses say the plane flying low, fast and inverted before it made a right turn into the ground. There was an F-16 reported to be close, but no smoke was seen coming from plane before impact. A version includes a passenger on the phone in the bathroom, who reported hearing an "explosion" and seeing smoke in the cabin before the crash.
While the report of smoke suggests a possible explosion inside flt 93, it seems likely that it was not caused by hostile action by the F-16. Flight 93 was not near any possible targets and could have been disabled, forcing it down, rather than blowing it out of the sky (which was not the case). The engines were reported to sound like the plane was taking off and the plane was being flown, not spinning out of control.
This was also the plane where the passengers were discussing the hijacking with their families and said that they were going to try to retake the plane. The smoke could have been a result of that attempt and they probably just ran out of sky before they were successful.
Wow! What a CRAZY Conspiracy Theory!!
Okay, let's play it your way. WHY? What would be gained by the conspirators? Who would be behind it?
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