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The Whig
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 08:38 pm |
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| I personally have admired the minimalism of authors like Hemmingway and Vonnegut. However, this seems like its on the way out. Your thoughts.
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thwlruss
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 09:01 pm |
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| Hemingway was a minimalist?
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The Whig
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 09:06 pm |
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thwlruss wrote: Hemingway was a minimalist?
Yes. Have you ever read "hills like white elephants" or "old man and the sea"?
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thwlruss
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 09:19 pm |
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The Whig wrote: thwlruss wrote: Hemingway was a minimalist?
Yes. Have you ever read "hills like white elephants" or "old man and the sea"?
ive read old man and the sea, for the whom the bell tolls, and the sun also rises. im not really sure what minimalism means when applied to literature. I understand minimalism in painting, so i was projecting that notion onto minimalism in literature.
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The Whig
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 09:35 pm |
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thwlruss wrote: The Whig wrote: thwlruss wrote: Hemingway was a minimalist?
Yes. Have you ever read "hills like white elephants" or "old man and the sea"?
ive read old man and the sea, for the whom the bell tolls, and the sun also rises. im not really sure what minimalism means when applied to literature. I understand minimalism in painting, so i was projecting that notion onto minimalism in literature.
Minimalism in liturature, the way I understand it means that instead of saying, "Gloom overcoming her countanance, she wished vainly for miraculous providence" you'd instead say "Slouching, she prayed for god's help."
In Hemmingway's case, he went so far as to use only dialogue to describe the scene.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 11:23 pm |
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Germanus Odacer
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 02:03 am |
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The Whig wrote: I personally have admired the minimalism of authors like Hemmingway and Vonnegut. However, this seems like its on the way out. Your thoughts.
Yes. Paul Waitkins is pretty good.
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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 12:49 pm |
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James Joyce is one of my favourite authors and employed minimalism.
I never thought of Hemmingway as one, though. To be honest, I really hate his stuff. I am ashamed to admit that I faked my way through his books during school because I just couldn't stand reading his works. I don't know why, since people say how great he is .... I must be misisng something ..... 
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The Whig
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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 04:25 pm |
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FatChick wrote: James Joyce is one of my favourite authors and employed minimalism.
I never thought of Hemmingway as one, though. To be honest, I really hate his stuff. I am ashamed to admit that I faked my way through his books during school because I just couldn't stand reading his works. I don't know why, since people say how great he is .... I must be misisng something .....
That's strange, I hadn't thought about it like that before, but I love Hemmingway and slept my way through James Joyce during school. They are stylistically similar but Joyce bores me.
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thwlruss
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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 04:28 pm |
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| i read "portrait of an artist as a young man"... the character in that story goes thru many of the same conflicts that van gogh went thru... i heard he had to condense that book down to about half its original length.. i dont see how he could be thought of as a minimalist, but i read that book about 6 years ago. Last edited on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 04:31 pm by thwlruss
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FatChick
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 03:41 am |
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The Whig wrote: FatChick wrote: James Joyce is one of my favourite authors and employed minimalism.
I never thought of Hemmingway as one, though. To be honest, I really hate his stuff. I am ashamed to admit that I faked my way through his books during school because I just couldn't stand reading his works. I don't know why, since people say how great he is .... I must be misisng something .....
That's strange, I hadn't thought about it like that before, but I love Hemmingway and slept my way through James Joyce during school. They are stylistically similar but Joyce bores me.
Maybe it is something about the minimalist style itself, that it lends to one either really liking the author, or really hating their works? As opposed to being neutral or lukewarm, I mean??
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Eyes
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 04:07 am |
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The Whig wrote: I personally have admired the minimalism of authors like Hemmingway and Vonnegut. However, this seems like its on the way out. Your thoughts.
Check out Reiner Kunze. I stumbled on him in Germany and his writing is sparse. There isn't an accidental or irrelevant line in the stuff I have read by him.
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Irukandji
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 04:49 am |
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FatChick wrote: James Joyce is one of my favourite authors and employed minimalism.
I never thought of Hemmingway as one, though. To be honest, I really hate his stuff. I am ashamed to admit that I faked my way through his books during school because I just couldn't stand reading his works. I don't know why, since people say how great he is .... I must be misisng something .....
I must also say I don't find Joyce's work 'minimalist'.
I read Ulysses, but it took me four years to do it!
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Irukandji
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 05:10 am |
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However, now that I read that ever-reliable wikipedia article on Portrait of the artist, It describes the conversational style as minimalist, so I could be wrong. 
The minimalist style of writing does have it's appeal. However, I do also like the rich, lavish writing where a single page could limn an entire life story.
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Jeƒƒro
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Posted: Mon Dec 25th, 2006 07:42 am |
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thwlruss wrote: Hemingway was a minimalist? Indeed sir.
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Jeƒƒro
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Posted: Mon Dec 25th, 2006 07:43 am |
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I think a minimalist approach has it's place at times, though not as a guideline for an entire work. That seems restrictive.
Last edited on Mon Dec 25th, 2006 07:44 am by Jeƒƒro
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| Hello. I am doing a research paper attempting tp prove John Grisham as a minimalist. Any thoughts that can help. I have started with the works of Carver and Hemmingway, but they are very different writing styles.
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 02:00 pm |
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thwlruss wrote: The Whig wrote: thwlruss wrote: Hemingway was a minimalist?
Yes. Have you ever read "hills like white elephants" or "old man and the sea"?
ive read old man and the sea, for the whom the bell tolls, and the sun also rises. im not really sure what minimalism means when applied to literature. I understand minimalism in painting, so i was projecting that notion onto minimalism in literature.
minimalism = less is more
Ever wonder why classical haiku poems (Bassho, Ikkyu, etc.) are so effective?
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 02:06 pm |
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The Whig wrote: FatChick wrote: James Joyce is one of my favourite authors and employed minimalism.
I never thought of Hemmingway as one, though. To be honest, I really hate his stuff. I am ashamed to admit that I faked my way through his books during school because I just couldn't stand reading his works. I don't know why, since people say how great he is .... I must be misisng something .....
That's strange, I hadn't thought about it like that before, but I love Hemmingway and slept my way through James Joyce during school. They are stylistically similar but Joyce bores me.
What about e.e. cummings? He's fascinating, so unique and so unorthodox! 
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