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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 09:50 am |
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Pets Square (Weekly Radio presentation)
Today FRIDAY at 21:00-22:00 GMT via mediumrare.com.
quick link to MR.com: click the speaker> 
The 2nd weekly radio program dedicated to all our four footed friends will be presented this evening.. hope you find time to tune in..
Any last min. questions or subject matter you would like to have covered on todays show? please let me know here..
1. last weeks updates
2. why are cats afraid of men or in some cases females..
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 06:23 am |
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I missed the show as I was working back to back today - 14 hours straight. SHeesh!
Here it is, and I am just now home. But I wanted to share that after losing Miss Whitney last week, I ended up near a shelter down in a real city. I stopped in to visit the critters and fell in love with Picasso. (Okay, his name was Tennessee, but I changed it) He is fat and sleek furred, quiet, good natured, and loving. He is a cuddle bug. At the moment he is sitting on the desk in front of me and watching the cursor go across the screen. He is three years old and has been living at the shelter for most of his life. They thought he'd never get adopted.  He is neutered and has all his shots and all that stuff. Microchip too.
He was in the play yard with Monet (whose name was also changed from kisco) who is a juicy Siamese mix. Both of these fellows weigh in at about 10 pounds. Monet is very shy, purracious with me (scared of Mr. MB still) and quiet as well. He is 10 months old and has lived at the shelter for all but 6 weeks of his life. He has stunning blue eyes, and fine lines around them - sort of like a husky's eyes. I don't have a good photo of him yet. He is either snuggling with me or running off. Not a good chance to snap one. Yet.
Both of these guys are great. Here is Picasso.
Part of me really wanted an exotic cat, but funds wouldn't permit it. Then I started thinking... I just want a C-A-T. A nice pleasant, healthy cat.
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JP
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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Well.. hello Picasso & Monet!!.. he looks very at home & I'm so very happy you took a 'longstayer' from a shelter. Great you have an ID Chip.. (if they wander off, we will get them back.) having all the shots is normal when taking a cat from a shelter & means they will be able to handle the new environment & the local cats in the hood with very low chances of contracting anything nasty.. congratulations MB & Mr MB!![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif) Last edited on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 04:09 pm by JP
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JP
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 03:06 pm |
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JP wrote:
Pets Square (Weekly Radio presentation)
Today FRIDAY at 21:00-22:00 GMT via mediumrare.com.
quick link to MR.com: click the speaker>
The 2nd weekly radio program dedicated to all our four footed friends will be presented this evening.. hope you find time to tune in..
Any last min. questions or subject matter you would like to have covered on todays show? please let me know here..
1. last weeks updates
2. why are cats afraid of men or in some cases females..& remedy
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4.
5.
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Last edited on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 04:56 pm by JP
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ForKnight
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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JP wrote: ForKnight wrote: This is my boy Tag, he is my best friend, he was my date for New Years Eve two years going, no men want me anymore  . That's okay, Tag is nicer and loves me unconditionally.
Peace
K
And looking like a charming date.. for any new year!
Sure though, Tag is a hard act to follow.
Peace
K
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JP
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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ForKnight wrote: JP wrote: ForKnight wrote: This is my boy Tag, he is my best friend, he was my date for New Years Eve two years going, no men want me anymore . That's okay, Tag is nicer and loves me unconditionally.
Peace
K
And looking like a charming date.. for any new year!
Sure though, Tag is a hard act to follow.
Peace
K
 This guy oozes dignity & is not camera shy..
2hrs and I'll be presenting the radio edition of this forum topic.. hope you tune in.. "Tag will naturally receive an honorable mention"..![[love]](/forums/themes/default/love003.gif)
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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MB wrote: I missed the show as I was working back to back today - 14 hours straight. SHeesh!
Here it is, and I am just now home. But I wanted to share that after losing Miss Whitney last week, I ended up near a shelter down in a real city. I stopped in to visit the critters and fell in love with Picasso. (Okay, his name was Tennessee, but I changed it) He is fat and sleek furred, quiet, good natured, and loving. He is a cuddle bug. At the moment he is sitting on the desk in front of me and watching the cursor go across the screen. He is three years old and has been living at the shelter for most of his life. They thought he'd never get adopted. He is neutered and has all his shots and all that stuff. Microchip too.
He was in the play yard with Monet (whose name was also changed from kisco) who is a juicy Siamese mix. Both of these fellows weigh in at about 10 pounds. Monet is very shy, purracious with me (scared of Mr. MB still) and quiet as well. He is 10 months old and has lived at the shelter for all but 6 weeks of his life. He has stunning blue eyes, and fine lines around them - sort of like a husky's eyes. I don't have a good photo of him yet. He is either snuggling with me or running off. Not a good chance to snap one. Yet.
Both of these guys are great. Here is Picasso.
Part of me really wanted an exotic cat, but funds wouldn't permit it. Then I started thinking... I just want a C-A-T. A nice pleasant, healthy cat.
The exotic that I have acts just like a normal cat, he just has more energy and looks different. Much like your Monet my exotic is afraid of my husband and only snuggles me.
Also, the vet bills are more expensive. Once you spend that much on a cat, you don't want anyone to hurt him and so you end up going slightly insane and slightly broke when it comes to vet costs. You made a good choice, I think rescued cats are the ultimate cats. Our little Adam West is the greatest cat we've ever had and we got him for free at Wal mart...the exotic was to keep him company and keep him from getting fat lol. We may have gone a little overboard, but he's our big baby. He loves everyone who comes into our house and is just ultra snuggly.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:48 pm |
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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I have 3 dogs and they all sleep in my bedroom. I'm on a weird sleep schedule, being that I do some technical support consulting which can occupy my time from 7pm to 8am. Anyway, whenever I go to bed (4am, 6am, or later) when I open the bedroom doors, the dogs bark and go crazy, waking up my wife. She goes back to sleep easily, but it still sucks. Sometimes they bark when a door somewhere else in the house is opened or closed or if they just hear someone walking about.
So, how can I stop them from barking while they are supposed to be sleeping?
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JP
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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TD wrote: I have 3 dogs and they all sleep in my bedroom. I'm on a weird sleep schedule, being that I do some technical support consulting which can occupy my time from 7pm to 8am. Anyway, whenever I go to bed (4am, 6am, or later) when I open the bedroom doors, the dogs bark and go crazy, waking up my wife. She goes back to sleep easily, but it still sucks. Sometimes they bark when a door somewhere else in the house is opened or closed or if they just hear someone walking about.
So, how can I stop them from barking while they are supposed to be sleeping?
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Coyote
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 09:37 pm |
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JP wrote: Coyote wrote: JP wrote: This question requires I do more research: But in short.. I'd like to know what the March results are first.
It would be unethical to offer you a diet plan until you & I, know conclusively what is the true enemy at work here..
Question: what do her feces look like these days?
If you weigh her weekly from now on.. we will quickly know if she is improving.. pick her up & stand on your bathroom scales.. deduct your # & we will have her weekly weight..
I may try to move her bloodwork forward a month just to get an idea of what we're dealing with - I hate waiting two months. She was loose when she first got here a week and a half a go (but she was also probably stressed from transport and change of homes etc). It was unformed but not total liquid. I haven't checked lately (she is one of those that goes off in the far corner and high weeds of the yard to do her business) - but I will check and see this evening and get a weekly weight on her. The original vet just faxed me her records as well which I am trying to make sense of (vets write like doctors).
Thanks!
Please keep me posted and continue to monitor her toilet work.. it will show us if she is really getting better! bad feces is nearly always closely related to this condition. you are welcome to post the (fax=scan= The file size should not exceed 102400 bytes) info you received regarding the lady in question.. even if you don't know what it all means, I might be able to decipher it for you..
Side note: It's possible her lack of stress & the love you share with her is creating a boost to her immune system & good feel factor.. Keep up the good work & time will fly..
I have the poop and weight on her now. This dog is weird. She buries it, like a cat. But it's normal - a little soft but formed - light brown, no grey like if she were losing fats. She weights 30# which I think might be a good weight for her - based on how she feels running hands down her ribs. I also managed to scan her records - it's about a dozen pages though. I might see if I can put some on photobucket to save space and will post a link.
From what it looks like though - after they started the diarreah in April (1.5 months after they got her) the owners put her on hamb/rice and then were unable to get her off it onto their chosen dog food which was Purina One. They did find hook & clostridium and treated her for it.
August it still wasn't resolved so they put her on ID and did tests for the ple. This page though, has a lot of notes I can't read. If I understand it right - she has only been on Purina ONE (lamb and rice) and SciDi I/D. She also never had edema. When I looked on the internet (which isn't always good as it's sometimes information overload) I found that gluten sensitivities and food allergies can cause problem. I went to the store to get pet supplies and looked up the ingredients on Purina One and it is not just lamb and rice - it has other protein and carb sources mixed in. I wonder if something there is causing problems? So far - I haven't messed with her diet since she needs to settle in (which she is doing all too well!  ) but I did pick up a small bag of Wellness Duck and Potato (that is really only duck and potato) and thought of trying a gradual transition off I/D to that. Do you think that might work - or should I leave well enough alone?
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Coyote
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 09:39 pm |
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MB wrote: I missed the show as I was working back to back today - 14 hours straight. SHeesh!
Here it is, and I am just now home. But I wanted to share that after losing Miss Whitney last week, I ended up near a shelter down in a real city. I stopped in to visit the critters and fell in love with Picasso. (Okay, his name was Tennessee, but I changed it) He is fat and sleek furred, quiet, good natured, and loving. He is a cuddle bug. At the moment he is sitting on the desk in front of me and watching the cursor go across the screen. He is three years old and has been living at the shelter for most of his life. They thought he'd never get adopted. He is neutered and has all his shots and all that stuff. Microchip too.
He was in the play yard with Monet (whose name was also changed from kisco) who is a juicy Siamese mix. Both of these fellows weigh in at about 10 pounds. Monet is very shy, purracious with me (scared of Mr. MB still) and quiet as well. He is 10 months old and has lived at the shelter for all but 6 weeks of his life. He has stunning blue eyes, and fine lines around them - sort of like a husky's eyes. I don't have a good photo of him yet. He is either snuggling with me or running off. Not a good chance to snap one. Yet.
Both of these guys are great. Here is Picasso.
Part of me really wanted an exotic cat, but funds wouldn't permit it. Then I started thinking... I just want a C-A-T. A nice pleasant, healthy cat.
What wonderful markings he has! I love black and white cats - he's so expessive
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Coyote
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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This is one of my dogs - he looks a lot like my little foster, Jessie (I think that is why I fell for her)
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Coyote
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:56 am |
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I am wondering if anyone out there has done clicker training with their pets? It's a lot of fun and great for behavioral modification. Jessie lost her adoptive home not only with the health issues, but due to some behavioral issues which became apparent only after she was adopted. It could well have been the home exacerbated an underlying weakness. She is very leery of strangers and especially being touched and especially in her own comfort zone where she tends to be a bit possessive of "her" person (not good, but typical herding dog b.s.) and she is fearful. She will wrinkle up her nose (the Ugly Face), and growl and airsnap. Not good for adoptability unless it's an experienced home. I don't think, in the ten months that she was adopted that she ever built up any trust or a bond with the family. I think she was more an accessory. At any rate we decided to try a program of clicker training to desensitize her to being touched. We touch her and click and then treat. We started at the rear, and gradually moved up. She is responding well - of course she doesn't mind being touched by me, but the idea is to get her to the point where you touch her and she doesn't even look to the hand but immediatly looks for the treat instead. It's fun - and seems to be working with no stress on her
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JP
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 12:32 pm |
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Coyote wrote: I am wondering if anyone out there has done clicker training with their pets? It's a lot of fun and great for behavioral modification. Jessie lost her adoptive home not only with the health issues, but due to some behavioral issues which became apparent only after she was adopted. It could well have been the home exacerbated an underlying weakness. She is very leery of strangers and especially being touched and especially in her own comfort zone where she tends to be a bit possessive of "her" person (not good, but typical herding dog b.s.) and she is fearful. She will wrinkle up her nose (the Ugly Face), and growl and airsnap. Not good for adoptability unless it's an experienced home. I don't think, in the ten months that she was adopted that she ever built up any trust or a bond with the family. I think she was more an accessory. At any rate we decided to try a program of clicker training to desensitize her to being touched. We touch her and click and then treat. We started at the rear, and gradually moved up. She is responding well - of course she doesn't mind being touched by me, but the idea is to get her to the point where you touch her and she doesn't even look to the hand but immediatly looks for the treat instead. It's fun - and seems to be working with no stress on her
Clicker training works. its good for cats & dogs.. and I feel confident that jessie will adapt to your partner & people if you continue this program.
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JP
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 12:53 pm |
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Coyote wrote: JP wrote: Coyote wrote: JP wrote: This question requires I do more research: But in short.. I'd like to know what the March results are first.
It would be unethical to offer you a diet plan until you & I, know conclusively what is the true enemy at work here..
Question: what do her feces look like these days?
If you weigh her weekly from now on.. we will quickly know if she is improving.. pick her up & stand on your bathroom scales.. deduct your # & we will have her weekly weight..
I may try to move her bloodwork forward a month just to get an idea of what we're dealing with - I hate waiting two months. She was loose when she first got here a week and a half a go (but she was also probably stressed from transport and change of homes etc). It was unformed but not total liquid. I haven't checked lately (she is one of those that goes off in the far corner and high weeds of the yard to do her business) - but I will check and see this evening and get a weekly weight on her. The original vet just faxed me her records as well which I am trying to make sense of (vets write like doctors).
Thanks!
Please keep me posted and continue to monitor her toilet work.. it will show us if she is really getting better! bad feces is nearly always closely related to this condition. you are welcome to post the (fax=scan= The file size should not exceed 102400 bytes) info you received regarding the lady in question.. even if you don't know what it all means, I might be able to decipher it for you..
Side note: It's possible her lack of stress & the love you share with her is creating a boost to her immune system & good feel factor.. Keep up the good work & time will fly..
I have the poop and weight on her now. This dog is weird. She buries it, like a cat. But it's normal - a little soft but formed - light brown, no grey like if she were losing fats. She weights 30# which I think might be a good weight for her - based on how she feels running hands down her ribs. I also managed to scan her records - it's about a dozen pages though. I might see if I can put some on photobucket to save space and will post a link.
From what it looks like though - after they started the diarreah in April (1.5 months after they got her) the owners put her on hamb/rice and then were unable to get her off it onto their chosen dog food which was Purina One. They did find hook & clostridium and treated her for it.
August it still wasn't resolved so they put her on ID and did tests for the ple. This page though, has a lot of notes I can't read. If I understand it right - she has only been on Purina ONE (lamb and rice) and SciDi I/D. She also never had edema. When I looked on the internet (which isn't always good as it's sometimes information overload) I found that gluten sensitivities and food allergies can cause problem. I went to the store to get pet supplies and looked up the ingredients on Purina One and it is not just lamb and rice - it has other protein and carb sources mixed in. I wonder if something there is causing problems? So far - I haven't messed with her diet since she needs to settle in (which she is doing all too well! ) but I did pick up a small bag of Wellness Duck and Potato (that is really only duck and potato) and thought of trying a gradual transition off I/D to that. Do you think that might work - or should I leave well enough alone?
If we can establish that she is putting on weight & her toilet work is constant in its form & texture, it will provide us with a clear indicator that she has stabilized. I/D is a food support against Diarrhea (as you know) and it could be doing its job.. the problem is.. until we get the next blood work we don't know what is the underlying problem. I would love to offer 'macaroni & boiled goats meat' because its highly suitable for Hyper dogs & even cats.. but lets hold off on this until we get our blood back.. lets keep weighing & observing for a few weeks so we get a rough record of her general condition.
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JP
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 02:54 pm |
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Whispers & Treats Therapy
Question raised on Pets Square radio presentation: Why does my cat seem to fear/hate my partner/me?
Cats are susceptible to sound/body language & can seem to hold a grudge against both male & female owners/partners & strangers for a varied amount of reasons. if you have experienced this behavior you will appreciate the problems it can cause in the home. an example of this behavior is that your cat has attacked your partner for no apparent reason or when your partner comes home each day your cat makes a B-line for the catflap no matter what the weather. this behavior can cause a strain on relationships & has been known to brake homes up!.
Scenario: lets say a female owner (Jane) lives with her cat for two+ years & then a new love enters her life.. the new partner (John) loves cats & has never had a cat related problem before. he moves into the home & problems begin to show their ugly heads.. Jane's normally placid loving cat 'felix' shows all the signs of being hyper afraid of her new partner & never stays in the same room. on one occasion John is in the hallway & so is Felix! the cat begins to growl & shows in no uncertain terms that hes in attack mode. the partner makes a move to back away, but Felix in a flash.. makes a swipe and catches the ankle of John as he makes his own escape. at this point a potential fear is created in John which can further exasperate the problem.. "Felix is a master of body language & picks up on the partners unease/fear/dislike."
This is just an example, but the behavior is not. so how can this tragic 3way relationship be saved? what can be done to promote a happy home for Felix & John, let alone for Jane who loves them both? and why did it happen?
To answer these questions it requires that Jane & John work together on a training program that teaches Felix to relax & enjoy Johns company.
Whispers & Treats: some cats just don't like mens low voices.. and also men who are loud by nature.. (thats not to say that some cats can also react badly to females with high pitched vocalization.. they can) if Felix always makes a bolt for the catflap when he hears John using his door key's.. its possible that hes sensitive to the sounds John makes.
Potential 1st step Solution: its time to block off the catflap & use your mobile phones so that Jane can open the door for John each day he comes home.. John must quieten his voice to whispers when coming home & continue to do this especially in Felix's presence. (Heightening Johns vocal octaves above the normal range can also benefit but low volume or whispers work best) we can expect Felix will still go into a panic when he can not escape thru his catflap when he realizes John is home.. but the 1st ice must be broken.
John must not make eye contact with Felix or attempt to make contact with Felix. Jane can now begin to offer treats to Felix but only when John is in the same room. Felix will ignore these offerings for the first couple of sessions, but eventually he will forget the quiet & non-threatening John & begin to eat his treat.. Jane will over the coming sessions begin to move and sit next to John as she offers Felix his treats. John is to remain quiet & remember! no 'EYE CONTACT'. John in the company of Jane can now start to make his own offering of treats to Felix.. if Felix ever jumps up on Johns lap? ignore it.. If Felix is on Jane's lap next to John.. he is to ignore it.. only after numerous occasions of this occurring should the next step begin..
Felix has over the weeks established that John now interprets into a treat-master and not to be automatically feared & avoided.. everyday John comes quietly home and this means 'Whispers & Treats' will shortly follow.. the more the relationship grows, the more relaxed & friendly our Felix will become. the biggest mistake that anyone can make using this whisper-treat program is to overestimate Felix's relaxed state of mind.. John must never attempt to pick up Felix! he might seem to be ultra friendly & sit quite comfortably on Johns lap.. but any panic buttons pushed by John can reverse all the good work done via this program in a flash!
Any further questions on this subject, I'd be happy to explain.
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Coyote
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 11:13 pm |
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JP wrote: Coyote wrote: I am wondering if anyone out there has done clicker training with their pets? It's a lot of fun and great for behavioral modification. Jessie lost her adoptive home not only with the health issues, but due to some behavioral issues which became apparent only after she was adopted. It could well have been the home exacerbated an underlying weakness. She is very leery of strangers and especially being touched and especially in her own comfort zone where she tends to be a bit possessive of "her" person (not good, but typical herding dog b.s.) and she is fearful. She will wrinkle up her nose (the Ugly Face), and growl and airsnap. Not good for adoptability unless it's an experienced home. I don't think, in the ten months that she was adopted that she ever built up any trust or a bond with the family. I think she was more an accessory. At any rate we decided to try a program of clicker training to desensitize her to being touched. We touch her and click and then treat. We started at the rear, and gradually moved up. She is responding well - of course she doesn't mind being touched by me, but the idea is to get her to the point where you touch her and she doesn't even look to the hand but immediatly looks for the treat instead. It's fun - and seems to be working with no stress on her
Clicker training works. its good for cats & dogs.. and I feel confident that jessie will adapt to your partner & people if you continue this program.
She's totally excepted my partner - it took about 3 days I think before she trusted him. I enrolled her in one of our kennel club classes at the end of the month to help her social skills blossom (hopefully).
I think there is a bit of a trust issue for her, for one thing, and a learned behavior as well. My suspicion is that in her adoptive home she maybe have corrected and rewarded very inconsistently and possibly chased her down for grabbing something inappropriate or a food she shouldn't have, or slapped her face (I don't totally blame the home - slapping is a natural human reaction) but what she seems to have learned is that human hands are inconsistent and unpredictable and possibly dangerous. She also learned if she makes her ugly face and threatens - they go away (great reinforcement right?). Not good things for a dog to learn and these dogs are smart. She has a lot of puppy in her still...I have several formerly intact socks to prove this
I will caution one thing about the clicker: sometimes you end up getting the most unexpected behaviors!
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Coyote
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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JP wrote: If we can establish that she is putting on weight & her toilet work is constant in its form & texture, it will provide us with a clear indicator that she has stabilized. I/D is a food support against Diarrhea (as you know) and it could be doing its job.. the problem is.. until we get the next blood work we don't know what is the underlying problem. I would love to offer 'macaroni & boiled goats meat' because its highly suitable for Hyper dogs & even cats.. but lets hold off on this until we get our blood back.. lets keep weighing & observing for a few weeks so we get a rough record of her general condition.
Ok - I won't make any changes then, but will weekly weigh her and check her poop. I'm waiting on a go-ahead from our rescue to get permission to schedule with the specialist.
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JP
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 10:29 am |
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Coyote wrote: JP wrote: If we can establish that she is putting on weight & her toilet work is constant in its form & texture, it will provide us with a clear indicator that she has stabilized. I/D is a food support against Diarrhea (as you know) and it could be doing its job.. the problem is.. until we get the next blood work we don't know what is the underlying problem. I would love to offer 'macaroni & boiled goats meat' because its highly suitable for Hyper dogs & even cats.. but lets hold off on this until we get our blood back.. lets keep weighing & observing for a few weeks so we get a rough record of her general condition.
Ok - I won't make any changes then, but will weekly weigh her and check her poop. I'm waiting on a go-ahead from our rescue to get permission to schedule with the specialist.
Thats great.. sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I promise you that your vet & specialist will definitely appreciate the weight/toilet log you start to create now..
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