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Low n Slow
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 05:11 am |
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TD wrote: ...From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses...
I wonder how many Israeli’s civilians have been killed by rocket attacks between 2005 and 2008? I searched and couldn’t find the number, but I would wager a months salary that it’s a tiny fraction of the numbers of Palestinian deaths you cite for the same period.
In Nazi occupied France and Italy during WWII, when the resistance killed German officers they would respond by killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in reprisal.
February 13, 1943: Two Luftwaffe officers were killed during the Carousel in Paris. “The first reprisal measure elaborated jointly by the Military Command, the German embassy and the Sipo-SD was a plan for the deportation of 2,000 Jews.”…
http://www.massviolence.org/Chronology-of-Repression-and-Persecution-in-Occupied-France?artpage=15-23
The Germans considered the resistance terrorists and you can bet many called them ‘filth’.
In the hell hole otherwise known as Texas, it’s perfectly legal to shoot an unarmed thief in the back if you see him carrying off a Neighbors TV set.
Would you also give a pass for these tactics?
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 07:47 am |
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Low n Slow wrote: TD wrote: ...From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses...
I wonder how many Israeli’s civilians have been killed by rocket attacks between 2005 and 2008? I searched and couldn’t find the number, but I would wager a months salary that it’s a tiny fraction of the numbers of Palestinian deaths you cite for the same period.
In Nazi occupied France and Italy during WWII, when the resistance killed German officers they would respond by killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in reprisal.
February 13, 1943: Two Luftwaffe officers were killed during the Carousel in Paris. “The first reprisal measure elaborated jointly by the Military Command, the German embassy and the Sipo-SD was a plan for the deportation of 2,000 Jews.”…
http://www.massviolence.org/Chronology-of-Repression-and-Persecution-in-Occupied-France?artpage=15-23
The Germans considered the resistance terrorists and you can bet many called them ‘filth’.
In the hell hole otherwise known as Texas, it’s perfectly legal to shoot an unarmed thief in the back if you see him carrying off a Neighbors TV set.
Would you also give a pass for these tactics?
Quote history all you want - 10 million vs. less than 2000. Until you can reconcile that, once again, I don't give a crap.
And it's not me giving anyone a pass. You guys seem to give the Palestinians a pass no matter what they do. Maybe you hate Jews.
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 09:05 am |
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TD wrote: Explain to me why Palestinian families get money when one of their kids blows up a bus.
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My other point - I don't care that the Palestinians are being oppressed. 10 million people in Africa were slaughtered and no one seemed to care about that - I don't think those people were antagonizing another country by blowing up buses or shooting rockets at them.
Any chance of your addressing the above post to a particular poster, Mr TD, as it is far from clear. I will, of course, gladly respond to any part that was meant for me, just as soon as you clear up the confusion.
Cheers
Hughmac
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 09:30 am |
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TD wrote: The US started 2 wars after 9/11. While some of us aren't feeling the Iraq war, and object to us attacking a country that clearly had nothing to do with 9/11, no one seems to care about the Taliban. No one is crying that we are oppressing them.
We attacked Afganistan, toppled their government, and are now occupying that country while trying to prop up a government of our choosing. Maybe that's what Israel should do. They could claim they are trying to bring democracy to the Palestinians or some garbage like that.
From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses.
BTW, for those of you who demonize the Israelis for their part in all of this, but give the Palestinians a pass for their tactics, maybe you are the racists.
Again, I'm not sure to whom this disgruntled message is concerned, but I'll pick up the ball.
It is perhaps unfortunate - for your line of reasoning - that you have chosen Africa, because the Israeli occupation can be easily related to the expired South African Apartheid.
How many Israelis died between 2005 and 2008 when those 2,000 Palestinians perished, Mr TD? 2,000? 200? What about 20? How much press coveraged did the Israeli deaths in the US press - quite a hammering, eh?, How many palestinian civilian deaths got a begrudging mention? Spot any biased reporting there, me ol' mate?
Now, can you provide an instance where I have given a free pass to terrorist tactics? Yeah, yeah, I know that that particular comment was the tried-and-trusted blanket statement a.k.a., get out of jail free card.
You see, the problem is, Mr TD, that your like-minded compatriots are unforgiveably biased, onsided and a touch despicable. If you were at least to condemn the Israeli attrocities as much as you rightly condemn the Palestinian ones, they we would not have an argument, but you don't.
If you were to condemn the Israel land-grab of the West Bank - whose Palestinian inhabitants miraculously escape your blanket "filth" labelling - then, the Lord be Praised, there would be a glimmer 'justice' in your comments.
I think that people who put bombs on buses, be they Palestinians or Israelis, are low life shi* burgers, Mr TD, the same as I consider those that drop one-tonne bombs on hideously overcrowded residential areas in order to take out one militant to be shi*burgers too.
I think the colonists that are thieving the West Bank are filth, do you? I think those rightwing extremist Israelis are lower than a snakes belly, but hey, they're running the Israeli Government. Do you find it a touch contradictory that you consider the people from Gaza scum because they chose their leaders (they didn't - it was a coup) yet you seemingly don't consider the Israelis scum for democratically electing that bunch of thieving rightwing extremist bastards? And yet again, we stumble into the old double standards.
The millions of starving in Africa... you will be pleased to know that China is the favourite colour of the month, there, because they are giving jobs and making investments - without asking any questions about Human Rights - rather than giving Aid.
I certainly have no argument with your preference to feel more for the plight of the Africans - in fact, I agree with you, but it is your support of Israel, regardless of their actions, that corners any US elected Administration into following a vile Foreign Policy in the region that far outweighs any noble humanitarian thoughts that you have for the Africans.
Cheers
Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 10:49 am |
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Hughmac schreef:
TD wrote: The US started 2 wars after 9/11. While some of us aren't feeling the Iraq war, and object to us attacking a country that clearly had nothing to do with 9/11, no one seems to care about the Taliban. No one is crying that we are oppressing them.
We attacked Afganistan, toppled their government, and are now occupying that country while trying to prop up a government of our choosing. Maybe that's what Israel should do. They could claim they are trying to bring democracy to the Palestinians or some garbage like that.
From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses.
BTW, for those of you who demonize the Israelis for their part in all of this, but give the Palestinians a pass for their tactics, maybe you are the racists.
Again, I'm not sure to whom this disgruntled message is concerned, but I'll pick up the ball.
It is perhaps unfortunate - for your line of reasoning - that you have chosen Africa, because the Israeli occupation can be easily related to the expired South African Apartheid.
How many Israelis died between 2005 and 2008 when those 2,000 Palestinians perished, Mr TD? 2,000? 200? What about 20? How much press coveraged did the Israeli deaths in the US press - quite a hammering, eh?, How many palestinian civilian deaths got a begrudging mention? Spot any biased reporting there, me ol' mate?
Now, can you provide an instance where I have given a free pass to terrorist tactics? Yeah, yeah, I know that that particular comment was the tried-and-trusted blanket statement a.k.a., get out of jail free card.
You see, the problem is, Mr TD, that your like-minded compatriots are unforgiveably biased, onsided and a touch despicable. If you were at least to condemn the Israeli attrocities as much as you rightly condemn the Palestinian ones, they we would not have an argument, but you don't.
If you were to condemn the Israel land-grab of the West Bank - whose Palestinian inhabitants miraculously escape your blanket "filth" labelling - then, the Lord be Praised, there would be a glimmer 'justice' in your comments.
I think that people who put bombs on buses, be they Palestinians or Israelis, are low life shi* burgers, Mr TD, the same as I consider those that drop one-tonne bombs on hideously overcrowded residential areas in order to take out one militant to be shi*burgers too.
I think the colonists that are thieving the West Bank are filth, do you? I think those rightwing extremist Israelis are lower than a snakes belly, but hey, they're running the Israeli Government. Do you find it a touch contradictory that you consider the people from Gaza scum because they chose their leaders (they didn't - it was a coup) yet you seemingly don't consider the Israelis scum for democratically electing that bunch of thieving rightwing extremist bastards? And yet again, we stumble into the old double standards.
The millions of starving in Africa... you will be pleased to know that China is the favourite colour of the month, there, because they are giving jobs and making investments - without asking any questions about Human Rights - rather than giving Aid.
I certainly have no argument with your preference to feel more for the plight of the Africans - in fact, I agree with you, but it is your support of Israel, regardless of their actions, that corners any US elected Administration into following a vile Foreign Policy in the region that far outweighs any noble humanitarian thoughts that you have for the Africans.
Cheers
Hughmac
I actually agree with TD and yes, I do think the Israeli West bank Colonists are thieving filth. And also yes, you have defended Palestinian terrorist activities as a legitimate strategy in a reaction to one of my posts.
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 11:21 am |
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zonnebloem wrote: I actually agree with TD and yes, I do think the Israeli West bank Colonists are thieving filth. And also yes, you have defended Palestinian terrorist activities as a legitimate strategy in a reaction to one of my posts. Off you go, then, Mr Z. Be so kind as to provide a link as I completely deny this. In the meantime I will provide links where I have condemned all terrorist attacks, be they Palestinian ones or otherwise.
Don't forget, the onus is on you to provide proof of your accusation.
Cheers
Hughmac
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 11:24 am |
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Here's one from 2007 to start the ball rolling...
LINK ONE
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 11:51 am |
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Hughmac schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: I actually agree with TD and yes, I do think the Israeli West bank Colonists are thieving filth. And also yes, you have defended Palestinian terrorist activities as a legitimate strategy in a reaction to one of my posts. Off you go, then, Mr Z. Be so kind as to provide a link as I completely deny this. In the meantime I will provide links where I have condemned all terrorist attacks, be they Palestinian ones or otherwise.
Don't forget, the onus is on you to provide proof of your accusation.
Cheers
Hughmac
I will, I will. But as I am at work (it's lunch break, don't worry) you'll have to wait until tonight.
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 12:41 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: Hughmac schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: I actually agree with TD and yes, I do think the Israeli West bank Colonists are thieving filth. And also yes, you have defended Palestinian terrorist activities as a legitimate strategy in a reaction to one of my posts. Off you go, then, Mr Z. Be so kind as to provide a link as I completely deny this. In the meantime I will provide links where I have condemned all terrorist attacks, be they Palestinian ones or otherwise.
Don't forget, the onus is on you to provide proof of your accusation.
Cheers
Hughmac
I will, I will. But as I am at work (it's lunch break, don't worry) you'll have to wait until tonight. Enjoy your lunch
In the meantime, here is my second link:
Hughmac Wrote (Jan 11th 2009:
Hamas are acting criminally and unjustifiably by firing rockets into Israel with the intention of killing Israel civilians but don't you dare even suggest that Israel's far more numerous slaughter of Palestinian civilians is anything less that fully justified.
Cheers
Hughmac
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Low n Slow
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 04:08 pm |
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TD wrote: Low n Slow wrote: TD wrote: ...From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses...
I wonder how many Israeli’s civilians have been killed by rocket attacks between 2005 and 2008? I searched and couldn’t find the number, but I would wager a months salary that it’s a tiny fraction of the numbers of Palestinian deaths you cite for the same period.
In Nazi occupied France and Italy during WWII, when the resistance killed German officers they would respond by killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in reprisal.
February 13, 1943: Two Luftwaffe officers were killed during the Carousel in Paris. “The first reprisal measure elaborated jointly by the Military Command, the German embassy and the Sipo-SD was a plan for the deportation of 2,000 Jews.”…
http://www.massviolence.org/Chronology-of-Repression-and-Persecution-in-Occupied-France?artpage=15-23
The Germans considered the resistance terrorists and you can bet many called them ‘filth’.
In the hell hole otherwise known as Texas, it’s perfectly legal to shoot an unarmed thief in the back if you see him carrying off a Neighbors TV set.
Would you also give a pass for these tactics?
Quote history all you want - 10 million vs. less than 2000. Until you can reconcile that, once again, I don't give a crap...
Well you can ‘quote’ the atrocities in Africa or anywhere else in the world all you want, but until you can reconcile 2000 vs. less than a handful I don’t give a crap either.
...And it's not me giving anyone a pass. You guys seem to give the Palestinians a pass no matter what they do. Maybe you hate Jews.
I’ve seen no one on this thread giving a pass to Palestinians or their hateful methods. If you have please post it! On the contrary everyone here has condemned both sides, except you who refuse to condemn the Israeli’s! And don’t forget to always accuse anyone who criticizes the government of Israel as being an anti-Semite!
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 07:39 pm |
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Hughmac schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: Hughmac schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: I actually agree with TD and yes, I do think the Israeli West bank Colonists are thieving filth. And also yes, you have defended Palestinian terrorist activities as a legitimate strategy in a reaction to one of my posts. Off you go, then, Mr Z. Be so kind as to provide a link as I completely deny this. In the meantime I will provide links where I have condemned all terrorist attacks, be they Palestinian ones or otherwise.
Don't forget, the onus is on you to provide proof of your accusation.
Cheers
Hughmac
I will, I will. But as I am at work (it's lunch break, don't worry) you'll have to wait until tonight. Enjoy your lunch
In the meantime, here is my second link:
Hughmac Wrote (Jan 11th 2009:
Hamas are acting criminally and unjustifiably by firing rockets into Israel with the intention of killing Israel civilians but don't you dare even suggest that Israel's far more numerous slaughter of Palestinian civilians is anything less that fully justified.
Cheers
Hughmac
I just have finished diner now, and sipping on my digestive (a glass of Scotch) I decided to take a look at the thread in question (http://www.perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=214075&forum_id=71).
And I saw that the offending comment I had in mind, was not Hughmac's.
Heresy schreef:
It's been 40 years since Israel was in danger of being beseiged.
Everything since then is the result of them holding on to land that isn't theirs.
"When peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable." -JFK
My sincere apologies, Hughmac.
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Hughmac
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 08:17 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: I just have finished diner now, and sipping on my digestive (a glass of Scotch) I decided to take a look at the thread in question (Heresy schreef:
It's been 40 years since Israel was in danger of being beseiged.
Everything since then is the result of them holding on to land that isn't theirs.
"When peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable." -JFK
My sincere apologies, Hughmac. No problem, Mr Z - it is very easy to get usernames and what they have said mixed up.
The first link that I provided is pretty indicative of my general stance on the callous slaughter of civilians:
(Referring to a suicide attack against civilians in Southern Israel in Jan 2007)
I am well-known here as a staunch critic of Israel and the Bush Administration here.
However, sometimes you have to make a statement, rather than having to be asked for it.
I condemn this action, 100%, and I am not applying any mitigating clause to it, nor detracting from the gravity of it by citing other crimes carried out by other parties.
It's as simply as that.
Cheers
Hughmac
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TD
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Posted: Tue Oct 13th, 2009 07:21 pm |
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Low n Slow wrote:
TD wrote: Low n Slow wrote: TD wrote: ...From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses...
I wonder how many Israeli’s civilians have been killed by rocket attacks between 2005 and 2008? I searched and couldn’t find the number, but I would wager a months salary that it’s a tiny fraction of the numbers of Palestinian deaths you cite for the same period.
In Nazi occupied France and Italy during WWII, when the resistance killed German officers they would respond by killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in reprisal.
February 13, 1943: Two Luftwaffe officers were killed during the Carousel in Paris. “The first reprisal measure elaborated jointly by the Military Command, the German embassy and the Sipo-SD was a plan for the deportation of 2,000 Jews.”…
http://www.massviolence.org/Chronology-of-Repression-and-Persecution-in-Occupied-France?artpage=15-23
The Germans considered the resistance terrorists and you can bet many called them ‘filth’.
In the hell hole otherwise known as Texas, it’s perfectly legal to shoot an unarmed thief in the back if you see him carrying off a Neighbors TV set.
Would you also give a pass for these tactics?
Quote history all you want - 10 million vs. less than 2000. Until you can reconcile that, once again, I don't give a crap...
Well you can ‘quote’ the atrocities in Africa or anywhere else in the world all you want, but until you can reconcile 2000 vs. less than a handful I don’t give a crap either.
...And it's not me giving anyone a pass. You guys seem to give the Palestinians a pass no matter what they do. Maybe you hate Jews.
I’ve seen no one on this thread giving a pass to Palestinians or their hateful methods. If you have please post it! On the contrary everyone here has condemned both sides, except you who refuse to condemn the Israeli’s! And don’t forget to always accuse anyone who criticizes the government of Israel as being an anti-Semite!
I was told I was racist because I called Palestinians filth. So I started throwing the "you hate Jews" card just for fun.
Now, if you care to read back through the thread, you will see that I have condemned Israel for their tactics. However, when you compare blowing up a bus with oppressing someone by building a security wall, I'm going to side squarely against the murderers - even if they have a low body count.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13th, 2009 07:25 pm |
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Hughmac wrote:
TD wrote: Explain to me why Palestinian families get money when one of their kids blows up a bus.
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My other point - I don't care that the Palestinians are being oppressed. 10 million people in Africa were slaughtered and no one seemed to care about that - I don't think those people were antagonizing another country by blowing up buses or shooting rockets at them.
Any chance of your addressing the above post to a particular poster, Mr TD, as it is far from clear. I will, of course, gladly respond to any part that was meant for me, just as soon as you clear up the confusion.
Cheers
Hughmac
I don't think any part of this was directed at you - more of a blanket reaction to the entire argument: Israel = bad, Palestinians = good wholesome oppressed folks.
Now, if someone thinks it's ok to hide in civilian areas and shoot rockets into civilian areas, or make rockstars out of people who blow up buses (and encourage their own children to kill themselves), I got no use for them.
The Isrealis should stop building settlements on the West Bank, but that's not where the major problems are. Notice that Gaza is where the rockets come from. Gaza elected Hamas. So I have sympathy for the Palestinians in the West Bank and I think the rest of the world should do everything possible to help them evolve from a crap hole into a functioning state. Gaza, on the other hand... I don't care what happens to them. They have clearly demonstrated they are not civilized.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13th, 2009 07:41 pm |
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One more thing - if Israel should face war crimes over Gaza, then shouldn't the US face war crimes over Iraq? We attacked a basically innocent country (false charges of WMDs and terrorist ties), and we've killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of civilians.
This is what I can't understand. The numbers in the Israel-Palestine conflict are extremely small compared to Africa, oppression in various countries such as China and what was the Soviet Union. Iran is a nutjob country, as is North Korea - they probably oppress and slaughter 100 times as many people as we are talking about in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Why so much attention and resources for these people? I've been asked why an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian life - well, what makes either more valuable than a Chinese, Korean, African, or any other life?
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TR1985
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 01:51 am |
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TD wrote: One more thing - if Israel should face war crimes over Gaza, then shouldn't the US face war crimes over Iraq? We attacked a basically innocent country (false charges of WMDs and terrorist ties), and we've killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of civilians.
This is what I can't understand. The numbers in the Israel-Palestine conflict are extremely small compared to Africa, oppression in various countries such as China and what was the Soviet Union. Iran is a nutjob country, as is North Korea - they probably oppress and slaughter 100 times as many people as we are talking about in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Why so much attention and resources for these people? I've been asked why an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian life - well, what makes either more valuable than a Chinese, Korean, African, or any other life? Saudi Arabia and Iran care for Palestine and Palestinians . . . . they have oil . . . that trumps everything else. No one would care if wealthy Saudis were not financing this.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 02:29 am |
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TR1985 wrote: TD wrote: One more thing - if Israel should face war crimes over Gaza, then shouldn't the US face war crimes over Iraq? We attacked a basically innocent country (false charges of WMDs and terrorist ties), and we've killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of civilians.
This is what I can't understand. The numbers in the Israel-Palestine conflict are extremely small compared to Africa, oppression in various countries such as China and what was the Soviet Union. Iran is a nutjob country, as is North Korea - they probably oppress and slaughter 100 times as many people as we are talking about in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Why so much attention and resources for these people? I've been asked why an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian life - well, what makes either more valuable than a Chinese, Korean, African, or any other life? Saudi Arabia and Iran care for Palestine and Palestinians . . . . they have oil . . . that trumps everything else. No one would care if wealthy Saudis were not financing this.
I agree.
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Hughmac
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 08:24 am |
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TD wrote: I don't think any part of this was directed at you - more of a blanket reaction to the entire argument: Israel = bad, Palestinians = good wholesome oppressed folks.
Now, if someone thinks it's ok to hide in civilian areas and shoot rockets into civilian areas, or make rockstars out of people who blow up buses (and encourage their own children to kill themselves), I got no use for them.
The Isrealis should stop building settlements on the West Bank, but that's not where the major problems are. Notice that Gaza is where the rockets come from. Gaza elected Hamas. So I have sympathy for the Palestinians in the West Bank and I think the rest of the world should do everything possible to help them evolve from a crap hole into a functioning state. Gaza, on the other hand... I don't care what happens to them. They have clearly demonstrated they are not civilized. There are several points, my friend, which you have made and have been responded to that you have not acknowledged.
1) The first deals with your opening paragraph "Israel = bad, Palestinians = good wholesome oppressed folks."
The only person that appears to have made such a comment is you, surprisingly, but I will restrict that observation to the fact that I certain have never claimed that and that I have in a reiterated manner said that they are both guilty of crimes against civilians.
However, what we have here in this narrowed-down Palestinian/Israeli equation is one oppressed people at the hands of the other; i.e., the occupied by the occupiers. This is irrefutable.
2) Regardless of the inaccuracies of the observation made in your second paragraph, you continue to reissue it regularly where ever you are taken to task on this affair. Let's look at each in turn.
a) Hiding in civilian areas. Gaza is the most densely populated human settlement on the planet Earth. That is a fact. It is impossible to fire missiles or shell the area without hitting civilians - therefore you don't. Rockets are fired from Gaza? indisputably so. Does that justify shelling Gaza? No it doesn't, and certainly not with white phosphorous.
You knowingly repeat the inaccuracy that Gaza voted in Hamas. The Palestinians all over the West Bank and Gaza voted, in their majority, for Hamas but Gaza was taken over through a military uprising- it was a coup.
You purposely ignore that fact when you vilify the Palestinians for voting for Hamas that this group which contains terrorist elements was created by Israel and funded by them...
Perhaps you avoid these salient points because you would have to condemn Israel for the actions of Hamas as equally as you condemn the Palestian for Hamas, even those that didn't vote for them and through no choice of their own live under their rule in Gaza? Because of the two (Israeli/Fatah voters), Israel is logically more to blame.
b) Bombs on Buses: It has been pointed out to you that zionists in British Palestine planted bombs on buses, in crowded markets and in cinemas... yet, far from condemning these actions, the modern Israeli state even voted in one of these terrorists as President in the 80's and whose memory presently still holds a place of honour. Where is the US criticism of the glorification of terrorists?
It has also been pointed out to you that because one or several unscrupulous and twisted individuals used a child or children as human bombs, it does not warrant your blanket statment that "Palestinians blow up their own children" and more than "American soldiers rape and murder innocent 14-year-old girls" does. Whilst you are quite happy to brandish the first, you would be rightly vociferious to deny the second, considering it an unfair sweeping statment.
Israel is bent upon leeching the last bit of nutrition from the Occupied Territories, with the aim on leaving an empty husk, incapable of functioning as a separate state, all the time cheered on by the United States of America. Therefore, how can you blithely post: "The Isrealis should stop building settlements on the West Bank, but that's not where the major problems are."
That, Mr TD, is precisely where the heart of the problem lays.
Good morning and Cheers
Hughmac
Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 08:26 am by Hughmac
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Low n Slow
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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TD wrote: Low n Slow wrote:
TD wrote: Low n Slow wrote: TD wrote: ...From 2005 to 2008 less than 2000 Palestinians have been killed in this "conflict" while we have 10,000,000 people dead in Africa. I'm going to go ahead and give a crap a bit more about the 10 million, than the 2000 from the group who likes to blow up buses...
I wonder how many Israeli’s civilians have been killed by rocket attacks between 2005 and 2008? I searched and couldn’t find the number, but I would wager a months salary that it’s a tiny fraction of the numbers of Palestinian deaths you cite for the same period.
In Nazi occupied France and Italy during WWII, when the resistance killed German officers they would respond by killing hundreds or thousands of civilians in reprisal.
February 13, 1943: Two Luftwaffe officers were killed during the Carousel in Paris. “The first reprisal measure elaborated jointly by the Military Command, the German embassy and the Sipo-SD was a plan for the deportation of 2,000 Jews.”…
http://www.massviolence.org/Chronology-of-Repression-and-Persecution-in-Occupied-France?artpage=15-23
The Germans considered the resistance terrorists and you can bet many called them ‘filth’.
In the hell hole otherwise known as Texas, it’s perfectly legal to shoot an unarmed thief in the back if you see him carrying off a Neighbors TV set.
Would you also give a pass for these tactics?
Quote history all you want - 10 million vs. less than 2000. Until you can reconcile that, once again, I don't give a crap...
Well you can ‘quote’ the atrocities in Africa or anywhere else in the world all you want, but until you can reconcile 2000 vs. less than a handful I don’t give a crap either.
...And it's not me giving anyone a pass. You guys seem to give the Palestinians a pass no matter what they do. Maybe you hate Jews.
I’ve seen no one on this thread giving a pass to Palestinians or their hateful methods. If you have please post it! On the contrary everyone here has condemned both sides, except you who refuse to condemn the Israeli’s! And don’t forget to always accuse anyone who criticizes the government of Israel as being an anti-Semite!
I was told I was racist because I called Palestinians filth. So I started throwing the "you hate Jews" card just for fun...
If you care to use your web browsers search function to search every page of this thread, you’ll find the first use of the word 'racist' was from you on page 2 where you falsely accuse others of calling you one!
I generally agree with 98% of everything you post except when it comes to this issue, at which time your sense of logic seems to fly out the window. I wonder why that is?
Implying that I’m an anti-Semite for fun is IMHO, rather twisted and sick and not remotely ‘fun’ for me, thank you very much. This is my last post on this subject.Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 07:35 pm by Low n Slow
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Low n Slow wrote:
If you care to use your web browsers search function to search every page of this thread, you’ll find the first use of the word 'racist' was from you on page 2 where you falsely accuse others of calling you one!
I generally agree with 98% of everything you post except when it comes to this issue, at which time your sense of logic seems to fly out the window. I wonder why that is?
Implying that I’m an anti-Semite for fun is IMHO, rather twisted and sick and not remotely ‘fun’ for me, thank you very much. This is my last post on this subject.
I doubt it is your last post on the subject, but I won't hold you to that.
Now, if you'll use your reading skills and read the post right before the one where I "falsely accuse others of calling me a racist" you'll see this:
BushFramedRogerRabbit wrote:
And good god man, throwing words like "barbarous" and "uncivilized filth" around? Is this the 1800s? Are you really that short-sighted? Borderline racism is what that is.
Now, I agree, I'm falsely being called a racist. This person clearly doesn't even know what racist means, being that the Palestinians aren't a race.
So if you want to cry over an insult not even directed at you, then enjoy yourself. Maybe that will be fun for you.
As far as my logic goes, it's pretty sound. I don't support people who glorify murderers. And I call people out around here who do.
Lets say I'm a bad neighbor. I drive on my neighbors lawn, poison his trees, maybe even undermine the structure of his house or screw up his water supply. Should he shoot me? Better yet, should he shoot one of my children or maybe another of my neighbors who is friendly to me?
The Palestinians like to blow up buses with Israeli civilians - you know, women, children, people who have nothing to do with the conflict. They also like to shoot rockets into civilian neighborhoods while they hide in their own civilian areas like little cowards. Then they cry and appeal to people like you when there is an armed response.
I don't give a damn what happens to them. They have demonstrated to me that they are uncivilized and don't deserve my sympathy.
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