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And good god man, throwing words like "barbarous" and "uncivilized filth" around? Is this the 1800s? Are youreally that short-sighted? Borderline racism is what that is.
I stand corrected and yes, I ment to say my last post on this thread, not the subject…
Mr TD, despite taking the time to point out the fallacies that you have been using, you continue to use them, regardlessly, on other posters. In fact, you have not responded to one of the points that I brought to your attention.
As for your video clip, if you listen to the female reporter, she says that one women justified her rejoicing because the US always took the Israeli side in their war with them. Is that a lie, Mr TD?
Secondly, when the US was blowing the shi* out of Iraq in 2003, will you deny that just about in any US bar, full of your fellow countrymen, right across your country, were whooping and howlering at the nicely presented images of Iraq targets getting blown to shi*? Of course they were. Nightly news on smart bombs taking out 'targets' had you guys cracking beers and sighing "Way to go!" Bet you did, too, Mr TD.
So, why is it that a people who have lived for decades under the oppression of the Israelis with the full backing of the US; witnessing how any attempt to rebuke the Israelis for their excesses is repeatedly quashed by the US veto at the UN; picking up bits of the bomb casing that wiped out their brothers & sisters, Children & parents, bearing MADE IN THE USA, written on them... how do you expect them not to cheer, Mr TD, when you good ol boys where fighting back spontaneous ejaculations over the rape and destruction of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, as you watched in it full colour on you TV's?
"We were accused of wrongdoing in Gaza by the UN. Rather than rationally argue against these accusations, we will refuse to make concessions on West Bank settlements (an issue entirely separate to the Gaza war) until the accusations are removed."
I guess it all makes sense when you realize that the Israelis never wanted to make those concessions in the first place.
The advent of the Goldstone report merely gave them a convenient way to officially refuse to make concessions, while still maintaining the facade of victimization.
Hughmac wrote: Mr TD, despite taking the time to point out the fallacies that you have been using, you continue to use them, regardlessly, on other posters. In fact, you have not responded to one of the points that I brought to your attention.
As for your video clip, if you listen to the female reporter, she says that one women justified her rejoicing because the US always took the Israeli side in their war with them. Is that a lie, Mr TD?
Secondly, when the US was blowing the shi* out of Iraq in 2003, will you deny that just about in any US bar, full of your fellow countrymen, right across your country, were whooping and howlering at the nicely presented images of Iraq targets getting blown to shi*? Of course they were. Nightly news on smart bombs taking out 'targets' had you guys cracking beers and sighing "Way to go!" Bet you did, too, Mr TD.
So, why is it that a people who have lived for decades under the oppression of the Israelis with the full backing of the US; witnessing how any attempt to rebuke the Israelis for their excesses is repeatedly quashed by the US veto at the UN; picking up bits of the bomb casing that wiped out their brothers & sisters, Children & parents, bearing MADE IN THE USA, written on them... how do you expect them not to cheer, Mr TD, when you good ol boys where fighting back spontaneous ejaculations over the rape and destruction of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, as you watched in it full colour on you TV's?
Cheers
Hughmac
These people danced in the streets after planes crashed into buildings. Spin it any way you want. They are filth.
TD wrote: Hughmac wrote: Mr TD, despite taking the time to point out the fallacies that you have been using, you continue to use them, regardlessly, on other posters. In fact, you have not responded to one of the points that I brought to your attention.
As for your video clip, if you listen to the female reporter, she says that one women justified her rejoicing because the US always took the Israeli side in their war with them. Is that a lie, Mr TD?
Secondly, when the US was blowing the shi* out of Iraq in 2003, will you deny that just about in any US bar, full of your fellow countrymen, right across your country, were whooping and howlering at the nicely presented images of Iraq targets getting blown to shi*? Of course they were. Nightly news on smart bombs taking out 'targets' had you guys cracking beers and sighing "Way to go!" Bet you did, too, Mr TD.
So, why is it that a people who have lived for decades under the oppression of the Israelis with the full backing of the US; witnessing how any attempt to rebuke the Israelis for their excesses is repeatedly quashed by the US veto at the UN; picking up bits of the bomb casing that wiped out their brothers & sisters, Children & parents, bearing MADE IN THE USA, written on them... how do you expect them not to cheer, Mr TD, when you good ol boys where fighting back spontaneous ejaculations over the rape and destruction of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, as you watched in it full colour on you TV's?
Cheers
Hughmac
These people danced in the streets after planes crashed into buildings. Spin it any way you want. They are filth. And you guys out-danced them when you shagged Iraq, slaughtering women and children with your smart-arse bombs... So when are you planning on breaking it to your buddies that they're filth, Mr TD, according to your own scale of evaluation?
Furthermore, as you continue with your "the actions of some labels the whole," you can break it to them at the same time that all US soldiers are child rapists and murders.
One might be able to agree with some Americans over their choice of president, and thus qualify to post on the Democrat board, but the vast majority of people from the nations of the world outside your borders will never find any common ground with the majority of Americans - judging by your intransigent stance - as far as your unforgiveable support of a rogue nation, bent upon apartheid is concerned. God bless America
Hughmac wrote: TD wrote: Hughmac wrote: Mr TD, despite taking the time to point out the fallacies that you have been using, you continue to use them, regardlessly, on other posters. In fact, you have not responded to one of the points that I brought to your attention.
As for your video clip, if you listen to the female reporter, she says that one women justified her rejoicing because the US always took the Israeli side in their war with them. Is that a lie, Mr TD?
Secondly, when the US was blowing the shi* out of Iraq in 2003, will you deny that just about in any US bar, full of your fellow countrymen, right across your country, were whooping and howlering at the nicely presented images of Iraq targets getting blown to shi*? Of course they were. Nightly news on smart bombs taking out 'targets' had you guys cracking beers and sighing "Way to go!" Bet you did, too, Mr TD.
So, why is it that a people who have lived for decades under the oppression of the Israelis with the full backing of the US; witnessing how any attempt to rebuke the Israelis for their excesses is repeatedly quashed by the US veto at the UN; picking up bits of the bomb casing that wiped out their brothers & sisters, Children & parents, bearing MADE IN THE USA, written on them... how do you expect them not to cheer, Mr TD, when you good ol boys where fighting back spontaneous ejaculations over the rape and destruction of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, as you watched in it full colour on you TV's?
Cheers
Hughmac
These people danced in the streets after planes crashed into buildings. Spin it any way you want. They are filth. And you guys out-danced them when you shagged Iraq, slaughtering women and children with your smart-arse bombs... So when are you planning on breaking it to your buddies that they're filth, Mr TD, according to your own scale of evaluation?
Furthermore, as you continue with your "the actions of some labels the whole," you can break it to them at the same time that all US soldiers are child rapists and murders.
One might be able to agree with some Americans over their choice of president, and thus qualify to post on the Democrat board, but the vast majority of people from the nations of the world outside your borders will never find any common ground with the majority of Americans - judging by your intransigent stance - as far as your unforgiveable support of a rogue nation, bent upon apartheid is concerned. God bless America
Cheers
Hughmac
Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China.
TR1985 wrote: Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China. I'm sorry but at first glance I cannot see how what you have said - or the manner in which you might wish it to be interpretted - ties in with my throwing Mr TD's startlingly closed-mind accusations back upon him, by applying his evaluation technique to the behaviour of his own compatriots?
Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China. I'm sorry but at first glance I cannot see how what you have said - or the manner in which you might wish it to be interpretted - ties in with my throwing Mr TD's startlingly closed-mind accusations back upon him, by applying his evaluation technique to the behaviour of his own compatriots?
Come again?
Cheers
Hughmac
One might be able to agree with some Americans over their choice of president, and thus qualify to post on the Democrat board, but the vast majority of people from the nations of the world outside your borders will never find any common ground with the majority of Americans - judging by your intransigent stance - as far as your unforgiveable support of a rogue nation, bent upon apartheid is concerned. God bless America
Cheers
Hughmac
You seem to imply that America is isolated, or that other nations do not see it from our perspective. So I just listed several of the important nations that very much do see events and human affairs from our perspective.
TR1985 wrote: Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China. I'm sorry but at first glance I cannot see how what you have said - or the manner in which you might wish it to be interpretted - ties in with my throwing Mr TD's startlingly closed-mind accusations back upon him, by applying his evaluation technique to the behaviour of his own compatriots?
Come again?
Cheers
Hughmac
One might be able to agree with some Americans over their choice of president, and thus qualify to post on the Democrat board, but the vast majority of people from the nations of the world outside your borders will never find any common ground with the majority of Americans - judging by your intransigent stance - as far as your unforgiveable support of a rogue nation, bent upon apartheid is concerned. God bless America
Cheers
Hughmac
You seem to imply that America is isolated, or that other nations do not see it from our perspective. So I just listed several of the important nations that very much do see events and human affairs from our perspective. I see, so Japan, South Korea and India agree with your pro-Israeli policy towards the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, etc, etc?
If that were the case, when 14 out of 15 UNSC members vote in favour of a UNSCR and only the US goes against it, using their veto... that does not mean that the US is isolated in this respect?
Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China. I'm sorry but at first glance I cannot see how what you have said - or the manner in which you might wish it to be interpretted - ties in with my throwing Mr TD's startlingly closed-mind accusations back upon him, by applying his evaluation technique to the behaviour of his own compatriots?
Come again?
Cheers
Hughmac
One might be able to agree with some Americans over their choice of president, and thus qualify to post on the Democrat board, but the vast majority of people from the nations of the world outside your borders will never find any common ground with the majority of Americans - judging by your intransigent stance - as far as your unforgiveable support of a rogue nation, bent upon apartheid is concerned. God bless America
Cheers
Hughmac
You seem to imply that America is isolated, or that other nations do not see it from our perspective. So I just listed several of the important nations that very much do see events and human affairs from our perspective. I see, so Japan, South Korea and India agree with your pro-Israeli policy towards the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, etc, etc?
If that were the case, when 14 out of 15 UNSC members vote in favour of a UNSCR and only the US goes against it, using their veto... that does not mean that the US is isolated in this respect?
Cheers
Hughmac
On Israel . . .not nessecarily ( India being a very important exception to this), however, I was being more general in how America's worldview is not nessecarily the exception. The Japanese certainly share it.
TR1985 wrote: On Israel . . .not nessecarily ( India being a very important exception to this), however, I was being more general in how America's worldview is not nessecarily the exception. The Japanese certainly share it.You were being more general; I was not: we are discussing US backing of Israel.
Between May 1988 and May 1990 (just two years) there were 8 resolutions condemning Israel. The voting on all of them were 14 to 1. The US vetoed every one of them? Where is the support for the US policy on Israel here, please? Nobody, not Japan or South Korea, who are both anxious to keep on the good side of the States because of North Korea, nor India, who have no particular love for the Muslims, backed you.
Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: On Israel . . .not nessecarily ( India being a very important exception to this), however, I was being more general in how America's worldview is not nessecarily the exception. The Japanese certainly share it.You were being more general; I was not: we are discussing US backing of Israel.
Between May 1988 and May 1990 (just two years) there were 8 resolutions condemning Israel. The voting on all of them were 14 to 1. The US vetoed every one of them? Where is the support for the US policy on Israel here, please? Nobody, not Japan or South Korea, who are both anxious to keep on the good side of the States because of North Korea, nor India, who have no particular love for the Muslims, backed you.
Cheers
Hughmac
I do know that India has very good relations with India and is generally very pro-Israel, however, their voting record on the UN is something I'm unaware with, and quite frankly, not interested enough into research.
Hughmac wrote: TR1985 wrote: Actually, no, America finds much common ground with Japan, South Korea and India.
Who knows, this country may even strike a deal with China. I'm sorry but at first glance I cannot see how what you have said - or the manner in which you might wish it to be interpretted - ties in with my throwing Mr TD's startlingly closed-mind accusations back upon him, by applying his evaluation technique to the behaviour of his own compatriots?
Come again?
Cheers
Hughmac
You can't see the difference between a country attacking the military of another country and a piece of crap culture purposely killing civilians and I'm closed minded? You must be blind.
BTW, for the record, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq and I have never celebrated the killing of civilians by anyone.
The big difference is that the US tries not to kill civilians (and I believe Israel does as well) while the Palestinians make every effort to kill civilians.
Very big difference.
But hey, ignore that and continue telling me how I'm a hypocrite, closed minded, etc. It's very entertaining.
TR1985 wrote: I do know that India has very good relations with India and...
Good to know that India gets on with India
is generally very pro-Israel, however, their voting record on the UN is something I'm unaware with, and quite frankly, not interested enough into research.Well, you don't need to be pretty aware or keen to research to interpret 8 UNSCR's in 24 months vetoes by the US at 14 in favour and only one against; i.e. the USA. Even Homer Simpson would come to the conclusion that the US had zero backing in its stance on those 8 occasions at least.
TD wrote: BTW, for the record, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq and I have never celebrated the killing of civilians by anyone.
I never imagined that you were in favour of killing civilians, and certainly not celebrating their deaths, Mr TD. Yet you have studiously ignored the comparison. Do you deny that there were many Americans that celebrated, cheered and rejoiced when your country and mine slammed into Iraq, knowing full well that when you attack and invade a country it means death for thousands? The Palestinians have far more reason to rejoice the US getting a bloody nose that Americans reasons for the Americans to rejoice in the invasion of Iraq.
No, before you grab for your straw making equipment, I am not comparing a military operation against another military force with the terrorist attack against the Twin Towers. What I am doing is emphasising the fact that you will always have elements within societies that rejoice in slaughter. Had you been out with a film crew in the US on the day one of the invasion you could easily have produced a footage that portrayed "evil Americans celebrating the rape of another country."
The big difference is that the US tries not to kill civilians (and I believe Israel does as well) while the Palestinians make every effort to kill civilians.
And there you go again Mr T-Blanket-D: "Palestinians make every effort to kill civilians"
Very big difference.
But hey, ignore that and continue telling me how I'm a hypocrite, closed minded, etc. It's very entertaining. Your comments are complety irrational, Mr TD. I'm sorry but I can't change what you write to alter that very clear observation.
You are a reasonable and likeable poster on just about any subject, and one with whom I will more often than not find myself agreeing with, but when it comes to Israel and the Palestians, you are worse than the most ardent Bush supporters in the heyday of his Administration's blight upon humanity.
TD wrote: BTW, for the record, I wasn't in favor of attacking Iraq and I have never celebrated the killing of civilians by anyone.
I never imagined that you were in favour of killing civilians, and certainly not celebrating their deaths, Mr TD. Yet you have studiously ignored the comparison. Do you deny that there were many Americans that celebrated, cheered and rejoiced when your country and mine slammed into Iraq, knowing full well that when you attack and invade a country it means death for thousands? The Palestinians have far more reason to rejoice the US getting a bloody nose that Americans reasons for the Americans to rejoice in the invasion of Iraq.
No, before you grab for your straw making equipment, I am not comparing a military operation against another military force with the terrorist attack against the Twin Towers. What I am doing is emphasising the fact that you will always have elements within societies that rejoice in slaughter. Had you been out with a film crew in the US on the day one of the invasion you could easily have produced a footage that portrayed "evil Americans celebrating the rape of another country."
The big difference is that the US tries not to kill civilians (and I believe Israel does as well) while the Palestinians make every effort to kill civilians.
And there you go again Mr T-Blanket-D: "Palestinians make every effort to kill civilians"
Very big difference.
But hey, ignore that and continue telling me how I'm a hypocrite, closed minded, etc. It's very entertaining. Your comments are complety irrational, Mr TD. I'm sorry but I can't change what you write to alter that very clear observation.
You are a reasonable and likeable poster on just about any subject, and one with whom I will more often than not find myself agreeing with, but when it comes to Israel and the Palestians, you are worse than the most ardent Bush supporters in the heyday of his Administration's blight upon humanity.
To be honest with you Hughmac, I remember going to several bars during both Iraq wars, and the only thing that I heard people saying was that we had no business being there because it was all about oil. I would also like you to know that I live in thee biggest red neck area of the good ole U.S. of A. Now, there is a lot of celebrating for individual soldiers, mind you, but even they seem to say that they are only following orders and that we really don't belong in Iraq.
What you DON'T see, however, is everyone in the U.S. going out into the streets throwing celebrations and dancing so that News cameras can see exactly how war crazed and blood thursty we are. Sometimes I think that the oil executives are this way, and some politicians, but not the general public. However, I am pretty sure that most people in the Gaza strip are pro-terrorism.
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