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edro14
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: Apparently a current Mayan elder says the 2012 apocalypse is nonsense created by Western Culture:
Chile Pixtun says the doomsday theories actually have their genesis in Western and not Mayan ideas. Pixtun says that although 2012 does mark the end of a significant time period for the Mayas and there are a series of astronomical alignments that coincide in 2012 (including one that happens only once every 25,800 years) it does not mean that the Mayan believed the world would end on this date. End of days and apocalyptic ideas are mostly grounded in Western and Christian theories, while the Mayans believe in a more cyclical aspect of time.
So where did all this hysteria begin? With Monument Six. Found in the 1960s, Monument Six is a stone tablet which is almost undecipherable but contains an inscription indicating that some sort of larg event will occur in 2012 in relation to Bolon Yokte, the Mayan god of war and creation.
http://en.terra.com/lifestyle/articles/html/hof6994.htm
it did not start with Monument six.
have you done any digging around on what is know of the dark ages?
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:07 pm |
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edro14 wrote:
Slaol_121 wrote: Apparently a current Mayan elder says the 2012 apocalypse is nonsense created by Western Culture:
Chile Pixtun says the doomsday theories actually have their genesis in Western and not Mayan ideas. Pixtun says that although 2012 does mark the end of a significant time period for the Mayas and there are a series of astronomical alignments that coincide in 2012 (including one that happens only once every 25,800 years) it does not mean that the Mayan believed the world would end on this date. End of days and apocalyptic ideas are mostly grounded in Western and Christian theories, while the Mayans believe in a more cyclical aspect of time.
So where did all this hysteria begin? With Monument Six. Found in the 1960s, Monument Six is a stone tablet which is almost undecipherable but contains an inscription indicating that some sort of larg event will occur in 2012 in relation to Bolon Yokte, the Mayan god of war and creation.
http://en.terra.com/lifestyle/articles/html/hof6994.htm
it did not start with Monument six.
have you done any digging around on what is know of the dark ages?
I honestly haven't done much research on the subject...
Are there any modern-day Mayans that are preparing for the end of the world?
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quantumystic
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:15 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: Apparently a current Mayan elder says the 2012 apocalypse is nonsense created by Western Culture:
Chile Pixtun says the doomsday theories actually have their genesis in Western and not Mayan ideas. Pixtun says that although 2012 does mark the end of a significant time period for the Mayas and there are a series of astronomical alignments that coincide in 2012 (including one that happens only once every 25,800 years) it does not mean that the Mayan believed the world would end on this date. End of days and apocalyptic ideas are mostly grounded in Western and Christian theories, while the Mayans believe in a more cyclical aspect of time.
So where did all this hysteria begin? With Monument Six. Found in the 1960s, Monument Six is a stone tablet which is almost undecipherable but contains an inscription indicating that some sort of larg event will occur in 2012 in relation to Bolon Yokte, the Mayan god of war and creation. http://en.terra.com/lifestyle/articles/html/hof6994.htm
Ehh... kinda sorta.
Basically, all Native American cultures viewed Venus as the "oracle of battle", if you will. Wars would be launched when Venus was rising. This coming "Quetzalcoatl" alignment, the Feathered Serpent, is a particularly rare conjuntion involving the Venus Transit cycle. What is known as TIME UNTIME. The "end" of one time and the "beginning" of a new.
The coming alignment of Venus, with the Pleiades in Sagitarius and the Milky Way, represents the Hopi prophecy "Blue Star". This will be in opposition to Jupiter aligned with Orion. The Red Star.
Like I said, traditionally, we have used Venus rising to go to war. But come the Quetzalcoatl, I strongly suspect all who heed the old ways will be looking for cover in the mountainous areas. For us, it's a sign of the Great Purification. The time to await the return of the Ancient Peace, and Pahana.
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Oldsalt
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:15 pm |
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edro14 wrote: quantumystic wrote: crookster_man wrote: edro14 wrote: first we had the planetary alignment...next we have the Galactic alignment.
If you look it up it happens roughly every 26,000 years.
What happened 26,000 years ago...anyone care to dig that info up?
If you look at the galactic alignment you will find some very interesting photos of what is happening. Yep I am too lazy to post them photos for you. Before you all rant about what will happen try looking up the stuff first.
26K years ago? You asked the internets and they shall respond.
Ice age was starting
http://www.aquarian-age.net/iceages/cycle1.html
First evidence of ritual burial practices
http://www.agt.net/public/dgarneau/euro3.htm
Lots of fun ivory carvings, yea!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic#30.2C000.E2.80.9320.2C000_BC
As I mentioned before, the Venus Transit cycle... is every ~121.5 yrs (+/- 8yrs). 100 cycles is a ballpark of 12-13,000 yrs ago. And 200 cycles is a ballpark of 24-26,000. Well within the cycle variance tolerances.
It appears that approximately every 100 cycles of Venus Transit, this celestial configuration comes into alignment. And that every other time this alignment occurs, we also have this "galactic alignment". As well as archeological/geological evidence that, at least the last 2 times, when this 100 cycle alignment occurs... we also experience a major climate shift. And possibly a polar shift.
As to WHY these things appear to happen every time this alignment occurs... right now, we don't know yet.
This is the first time we will have modern scientific instruments to take readings before, during, and hopefully afterwards. The data we extract from those readings may provide the answers to what forces drive these events.
The real question, as far as "DoomsDay" stuff goes, is actually rather simple. Will the forces of this alignment generate powerful stress loads on the tectonic plates? It's going to be a yes or no situation.
For whatever reasons, if it does... we've got major problems. If it doesn't, we should be pretty much good to go. So until we have some high confidence data allowing us to construct simulation models... we just won't know until the Fat Lady sings.
If we do get massive tectonic plate displacement... we'll be riding out the lousiest parts of ancient prophecies. Earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanic eruptions, ash darkened skies, ash polluted water sources, floodings, avalanches, wildfires, drought and famine, disease...
Remember Katrina and New Orleans? And how toxic the flood water became? Imagine major cities experiencing earthquakes that rupture the sewage system conduits, and that stuff gets spewed out into the streets. Rats, roaches, flies... all becoming contaminated, and going around looking for food. Birds and feral cats eating the bugs and rats. Homeless and desperate people eating the cats and birds...
Since we should already be experiencing the full effects of the gravitational pulls of the great Galactic Alignment, we should be experiencing earthquakes, tsunamis, and climatical shifts. All these are increasing in frequency. I think we shall be experiencing a warmer climate over all, with weather related floods, torrential rains, melting of ice fields, many mud slides. Should we be concerned?
edro. Based on your High Level information above. You should also be telling all of your Liberal, Democrat friends to START living life like they never have before. You should tell them to STOP paying all of their bills. Cash-in their Insurance policies, and give away everything they own to the Homeless before 2012.
If everything you said above is true. Why should you, and your friends be worried about paying bills, or owning property now? By 2012 when you predict the world will end...at least all of you will have had a GOOD TIME spending your money on things you really enjoyed...while everyone else will continue being responsible citizens. That would set YOU, and all of Your friends apart....in preparation for the End.
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:26 pm |
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quantumystic wrote:
Like I said, traditionally, we have used Venus rising to go to war. But come the Quetzalcoatl, I strongly suspect all who heed the old ways will be looking for cover in the mountainous areas. For us, it's a sign of the Great Purification. The time to await the return of the Ancient Peace, and Pahana.
Interesting... what is this "great purification", "ancient peace", and "Pahana"?
How many still practice the ancient ways?
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Oldsalt
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:27 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: quantumystic wrote:
Like I said, traditionally, we have used Venus rising to go to war. But come the Quetzalcoatl, I strongly suspect all who heed the old ways will be looking for cover in the mountainous areas. For us, it's a sign of the Great Purification. The time to await the return of the Ancient Peace, and Pahana.
Interesting... what is this "great purification", "ancient peace", and "Pahana"?
How many still practice the ancient ways?
Slaol. I'll give you a hint about above. Dream Catchers!
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edro14
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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Oldsalt wrote: edro14 wrote: quantumystic wrote: crookster_man wrote: edro14 wrote: first we had the planetary alignment...next we have the Galactic alignment.
If you look it up it happens roughly every 26,000 years.
What happened 26,000 years ago...anyone care to dig that info up?
If you look at the galactic alignment you will find some very interesting photos of what is happening. Yep I am too lazy to post them photos for you. Before you all rant about what will happen try looking up the stuff first.
26K years ago? You asked the internets and they shall respond.
Ice age was starting
http://www.aquarian-age.net/iceages/cycle1.html
First evidence of ritual burial practices
http://www.agt.net/public/dgarneau/euro3.htm
Lots of fun ivory carvings, yea!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic#30.2C000.E2.80.9320.2C000_BC
As I mentioned before, the Venus Transit cycle... is every ~121.5 yrs (+/- 8yrs). 100 cycles is a ballpark of 12-13,000 yrs ago. And 200 cycles is a ballpark of 24-26,000. Well within the cycle variance tolerances.
It appears that approximately every 100 cycles of Venus Transit, this celestial configuration comes into alignment. And that every other time this alignment occurs, we also have this "galactic alignment". As well as archeological/geological evidence that, at least the last 2 times, when this 100 cycle alignment occurs... we also experience a major climate shift. And possibly a polar shift.
As to WHY these things appear to happen every time this alignment occurs... right now, we don't know yet.
This is the first time we will have modern scientific instruments to take readings before, during, and hopefully afterwards. The data we extract from those readings may provide the answers to what forces drive these events.
The real question, as far as "DoomsDay" stuff goes, is actually rather simple. Will the forces of this alignment generate powerful stress loads on the tectonic plates? It's going to be a yes or no situation.
For whatever reasons, if it does... we've got major problems. If it doesn't, we should be pretty much good to go. So until we have some high confidence data allowing us to construct simulation models... we just won't know until the Fat Lady sings.
If we do get massive tectonic plate displacement... we'll be riding out the lousiest parts of ancient prophecies. Earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanic eruptions, ash darkened skies, ash polluted water sources, floodings, avalanches, wildfires, drought and famine, disease...
Remember Katrina and New Orleans? And how toxic the flood water became? Imagine major cities experiencing earthquakes that rupture the sewage system conduits, and that stuff gets spewed out into the streets. Rats, roaches, flies... all becoming contaminated, and going around looking for food. Birds and feral cats eating the bugs and rats. Homeless and desperate people eating the cats and birds...
Since we should already be experiencing the full effects of the gravitational pulls of the great Galactic Alignment, we should be experiencing earthquakes, tsunamis, and climatical shifts. All these are increasing in frequency. I think we shall be experiencing a warmer climate over all, with weather related floods, torrential rains, melting of ice fields, many mud slides. Should we be concerned?
edro. Based on your High Level information above. You should also be telling all of your Liberal, Democrat friends to START living life like they never have before. You should tell them to STOP paying all of their bills. Cash-in their Insurance policies, and give away everything they own to the Homeless before 2012.
If everything you said above is true. Why should you, and your friends be worried about paying bills, or owning property now? By 2012 when you predict the world will end...at least all of you will have had a GOOD TIME spending your money on things you really enjoyed...while everyone else will continue being responsible citizens. That would set YOU, and all of Your friends apart....in preparation for the End.
I have pointed at directions to find info...have yet stated what I beleive. As usual you jump to conclusions before you have all the facts. Now kindly stop stalking.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: quantumystic wrote:
Like I said, traditionally, we have used Venus rising to go to war. But come the Quetzalcoatl, I strongly suspect all who heed the old ways will be looking for cover in the mountainous areas. For us, it's a sign of the Great Purification. The time to await the return of the Ancient Peace, and Pahana.
Interesting... what is this "great purification", "ancient peace", and "Pahana"?
How many still practice the ancient ways?
Wow... umm, a "Reader's Digest" version?
Pahana is the Great White Brother. Several representations. Some associated with Venus, and the Feathered Serpent. Others more directly to the tall white bearded avatar-prophet that visited Turtle Island (North America) over a thousand years ago. It was Pahana that warned our nations that when the white man came to Turtle Island, he would come bearing a cross. If the cross was within the circle of life, it would be a great and joyous meeting and that all would be blessings. If it was not within the circle, it would mean death and destruction.
It is said that at the TIME UNTIME, the Great White Brother and Great Red Brother would come together again to usher in the Great Purification. The time where Mother Earth shakes off the abominations that have bound and wounded her. Where the modern ways of the White are largely destroyed, and the peoples of the earth return to a more balanced path of living in harmony with Nature and each other.
The White were given the tablets of Fire. The Yellow, the tablets of Air. The Brown, the tablets of Water. And the Red, the tablets of Earth. Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water. The 4 archtypal elements.
But the White became obsessed with Fire. From electricity, to combustion, to nuclear reaction. And in growing out of balance, they chose the form of the Purification. Fire. Against which, there is only one safe haven. The stone of the mountains.
Once the Purification allows the White to burn out the imbalance of Fire, the 4 elements will be able to coexist in harmony once more, and new knowledge will reveal a new future for those who embrace Peace.
That's a really paraphrased short version.
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 05:06 pm |
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Some people here say that my economic assessment of present situation is apocaliptic...  They just don't know what "apocaliptic" means -
http://www.myspace.com/howtosurvive2012
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/home.htm
I just wonder if this 2012 histeria is just a syptom of our society's nervousness or it's something deliberately encouraged by authorities - to divert people's attention from real problems and their responsibility? Again, this swine flu, which kills less people than ordinary flu - but mass media is presenting it as a deadly threat...
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quantumystic
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 06:06 pm |
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Tectonic shifts and pole shifts basically mean a huge setback for modern human technology.
Infrastructure damaged beyond immediate repair. Satellites gone. Telecommunications reduced to 2% of present levels. Rampant spread of infectious diseases due to sewage contamination, and vermin proliferation. A major E.Coli epidemic could easy kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions, under such conditions in this country alone.
The skies blackened by volcanic ash. Water sources poisoned by volcanic ash. Carried by the tidal waves created by plate shifts. Which also spread E.Coli and other filth-originating diseases via flooding.
Yum Yum.
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 06:13 pm |
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quantumystic wrote:
Slaol_121 wrote: quantumystic wrote:
Like I said, traditionally, we have used Venus rising to go to war. But come the Quetzalcoatl, I strongly suspect all who heed the old ways will be looking for cover in the mountainous areas. For us, it's a sign of the Great Purification. The time to await the return of the Ancient Peace, and Pahana.
Interesting... what is this "great purification", "ancient peace", and "Pahana"?
How many still practice the ancient ways?
Wow... umm, a "Reader's Digest" version?
Pahana is the Great White Brother. Several representations. Some associated with Venus, and the Feathered Serpent. Others more directly to the tall white bearded avatar-prophet that visited Turtle Island (North America) over a thousand years ago. It was Pahana that warned our nations that when the white man came to Turtle Island, he would come bearing a cross. If the cross was within the circle of life, it would be a great and joyous meeting and that all would be blessings. If it was not within the circle, it would mean death and destruction.
It is said that at the TIME UNTIME, the Great White Brother and Great Red Brother would come together again to usher in the Great Purification. The time where Mother Earth shakes off the abominations that have bound and wounded her. Where the modern ways of the White are largely destroyed, and the peoples of the earth return to a more balanced path of living in harmony with Nature and each other.
The White were given the tablets of Fire. The Yellow, the tablets of Air. The Brown, the tablets of Water. And the Red, the tablets of Earth. Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water. The 4 archtypal elements.
But the White became obsessed with Fire. From electricity, to combustion, to nuclear reaction. And in growing out of balance, they chose the form of the Purification. Fire. Against which, there is only one safe haven. The stone of the mountains.
Once the Purification allows the White to burn out the imbalance of Fire, the 4 elements will be able to coexist in harmony once more, and new knowledge will reveal a new future for those who embrace Peace.
That's a really paraphrased short version.
Very cool legend  Thanks for the "cliffs notes" version.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "big picture" of that fable actually comes to pass - namely people returning to much simpler times after an accelerated growth/rise of destructive technologies and practices.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: Very cool legend Thanks for the "cliffs notes" version.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "big picture" of that fable actually comes to pass - namely people returning to much simpler times after an accelerated growth/rise of destructive technologies and practices.
Well, if tectonic plate activity, a pole shift, and solar flare activity combine to wreak havoc upon modern human technology's infrastructure... then rebuilding from near-scratch will be the only viable option.
And using renewable energy tech will be the most logical approach. As well as organic and free range farming practices.
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bushmaster
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 10:03 pm |
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Quazaquotel,i saw a flick based on that many year's ago ('82, i believe) with the late David Carridene(Kung Fu),Candi Clark and Richard Roundtree(Shaft) called "Q",because according to the producer's,that was the only thing you'd have time to say before it snatched you into the air and consumed you in the "Big Apple".
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:18 am |
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quantumystic wrote:
Slaol_121 wrote: Very cool legend Thanks for the "cliffs notes" version.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "big picture" of that fable actually comes to pass - namely people returning to much simpler times after an accelerated growth/rise of destructive technologies and practices.
Well, if tectonic plate activity, a pole shift, and solar flare activity combine to wreak havoc upon modern human technology's infrastructure... then rebuilding from near-scratch will be the only viable option.
And using renewable energy tech will be the most logical approach. As well as organic and free range farming practices.
We honestly have no idea how much the Mayan culture really knew about the world. Do you think it is possible that they could have had a knowledge of the earth's movements in the same sense that they had knowledge of astronomy and time?
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:38 am |
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Slaol_121 wrote:
quantumystic wrote:
Slaol_121 wrote: Very cool legend Thanks for the "cliffs notes" version.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "big picture" of that fable actually comes to pass - namely people returning to much simpler times after an accelerated growth/rise of destructive technologies and practices.
Well, if tectonic plate activity, a pole shift, and solar flare activity combine to wreak havoc upon modern human technology's infrastructure... then rebuilding from near-scratch will be the only viable option.
And using renewable energy tech will be the most logical approach. As well as organic and free range farming practices.
We honestly have no idea how much the Mayan culture really knew about the world. Do you think it is possible that they could have had a knowledge of the earth's movements in the same sense that they had knowledge of astronomy and time?
Not only that, but write everything they knew into mythic allegory which, when told and retold, could relate the motion of the heavens for millennia and their associated events on the earth.
Check out Popol Vuh.
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 03:06 am |
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Check out Popol Vuh.
For those of you who are wondering what "Popol Vuh" is:
THERE is no document of greater importance to the study of the pre-Columbian mythology of America than the "Popol Vuh." It is the chief source of our knowledge of the mythology of the Kiché people of Central America, and it is further of considerable comparative value when studied in conjunction with the mythology of the Nahuatlacâ, or Mexican peoples. This interesting text, the recovery of which forms one of the most romantic episodes in the history of American bibliography, was written by a Christianised native of Guatemala some time in the seventeenth century, and was copied in the Kiché language, in which it was originally written, by a monk of the Order of Predicadores, one Francisco Ximenes, who also added a Spanish translation and scholia.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/pvuheng.htm
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 09:34 am |
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Unbelievable...................... 4 pages of disscussion about rediculous "Superstition & Pagan Bullshiite".
Please get a life.............all of you. ![[drink]](/forums/themes/default/food-smiley-022.gif) ![[asleep]](/forums/themes/default/sleeping.gif) ![[cool]](/forums/themes/default/cool-smiley-027.gif)
Last edited on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 09:37 am by ignorance is bliss
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 09:55 am |
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Apocalypse 2012? Yep; for Obama.......![[grin]](/forums/themes/default/grinning-smiley-007.gif) ![[rock]](/forums/themes/default/music-smiley-010.gif)
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 10:06 am |
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ignorance is bliss wrote: Unbelievable...................... 4 pages of disscussion about rediculous "Superstition & Pagan Bullshiite".
Please get a life.............all of you.
Mornin my heathen friend. How goes it in OZ? Hope all is well for you and yours. How's the kids treating you
To the topic, I find it fascinating that there seems to be a basic story line running through all ancient cultures who had no contact with each other. Yes the story may have different embellishments by different cultures, some parts in some out, but the main theme is strikingly similar.
Thanks Q for your versions.........
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 12:19 pm |
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ignorance is bliss wrote: Unbelievable...................... 4 pages of disscussion about rediculous "Superstition & Pagan Bullshiite".
Please get a life.............all of you.
I don't think anyone seriously believes in the prophecy, however the subject is fascinating on a cultural/anthropological level....
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