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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 02:06 am |
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Poll finds Canada disenchanted with British royals: report
(AFP) – 9 hours ago
OTTAWA — Britain's royal family has a serious image problem in Canada, public broadcaster CBC reported Tuesday, citing a national poll taken ahead of a visit here by Prince Charles.
The CBC reported that the poll conducted by the Navigator polling firm found that most Canadians believe the monarchy is out of step with the times, although they feel that the royal family has an important place in their nation's history.
More than 60 percent of respondents feel that Canada's constitutional monarchy is outdated, the CBC reported.
"This is devastating, truly devastating for the Prince of Wales, and he'll be very upset by it," Andrew Pierce, assistant editor of Britain's Daily Telegraph told the broadcaster, adding that Queen Elizabeth II "will be very disappointed too."
"If people are indifferent to the monarchy, the Queen and Prince of Wales, it's finished," said Pierce.
Brian Tobin, former premier of Newfoundland, Canada's easternmost island province, told the CBC that the poll reflects a growing sentiment that it is time to abolish the monarchy.
"It looks silly... that Canada has a head of state who's born in another country," he said, adding that it was time for Canadians to "come to some other arrangement amongst ourselves."
Prince Charles, first in line to the British crown, and his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, are to visit Canada from November 2 to 12.
Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip are scheduled to visit next year.
The Navigator poll, taken in August, was commissioned by the Canadian friends of the Royal Family.
Taken on the eve of the future monarch's 16th royal visit here, the survey has a margin of error of plus-or-minus three percentage points, the CBC said.
The polling firm declined to release it to the media, but a copy was obtained by the Canadian broadcaster.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jAJ_LGk2iWJK2_6Io7u66l1ECIVw
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 02:11 am |
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Disenchanted? Disgusted more like. Total waste of money every time they come here. Canada received no benefit for this association with one of the world's most dysfunctional families.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 02:12 am |
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| A referendum wouldn't work in Canada, as it did in Australia (but failed), right? Since according to your constituion, it is the provinces that have to ratify any change to the monarchy?
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 02:15 am |
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Realitycheck wrote: Disenchanted? Disgusted more like. Total waste of money every time they come here. Canada received no benefit for this association with one of the world's most dysfunctional families.
Well, Canada could remain part of the commonwealth but have a president or /GG as its one and only, elected head of state. 
It would be nice if our neighbor to the North could function as a de jure republic as well (Canada is already a de facto republic, in many ways).
Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown. 
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 02:17 am |
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60%, that's not a slim majority.
If not for Quebec, it would probably be something like 45% instead...
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 11:35 pm |
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51st State! You'd have a civil war on your hands! Texas is still smarting from finding out it is the second largest state. they'd go ballistic if Canada was annexed, we would be a state larger than the whole United States. Not to mention what would become of Alaska.
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Imperator-Dei
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 02:35 am |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
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Fabius Maximus
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 02:56 am |
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:23 am |
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Fabius Maximus wrote: I'm gonna have to side with monarchy on this one.
Hey man, you can have 'em! What will you bid? Sorry, I insist on gold bullion, none of that Tuscon sand.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:12 am |
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Imperator-Dei wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
But the republic survived, we broke even with Britain in the 1812 war (neither side "won"), and today if it came down to a war between Canada and America, America would win.
But there's absolutely no reason to go to war or try to conquer Canada. Besides, Canada is our closest ally, and has culturally integrated with the US in many key respects. 
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:14 am |
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I hope you guys realized I was only joking about the 51st state
(although with the number of dual US-Canadian Citizens residing in Canada, as well as the cultural AND economic integration on both sides of the Border, Canada is like America's- as well as Britain's brother)
Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:17 am by Mazel Schlimazel
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:22 am |
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BTW, I love Canadians. ![[cheers]](/forums/themes/default/cheers2.gif) Being a seasonal college student here for my 3rd year rocks.  Of course, it's very similar to my hometown Seattle (where I send my absentee ballots in US elections, work during the summers and visit my home on breaks), but I've come to notice alot of substantial differences between our two cities and regions. not that one is better than the other, just different.Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:24 am by Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:33 am |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Imperator-Dei wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
But the republic survived, we broke even with Britain in the 1812 war (neither side "won")
I think that's debatable. In the treaty of Ghent, the American's were guaranteed free trade, unimpeded by the British Navy, and the British promised to stop incensing the frontier tribes. Overall the war resulted in a rise in respect for American sovereignty and independence from the imperial powers.
As for Britain, they held on to their Canadian colonies, and probably lost interest in policing American trade after the Napoleonic wars were over.
I think both sides won, in a way.
And even if Canada did exist, it wouldn't have been us that burned down the White House. We would have required a navy for that.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:35 am |
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Eyeless wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Imperator-Dei wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
But the republic survived, we broke even with Britain in the 1812 war (neither side "won")
I think that's debatable. In the treaty of Ghent, the American's were guaranteed free trade, unimpeded by the British Navy, and the British promised to stop incensing the frontier tribes. Overall the war resulted in a rise in respect for American sovereignty and independence from the imperial powers.
As for Britain, they held on to their Canadian colonies, and probably lost interest in policing American trade after the Napoleonic wars were over.
I think both sides won, in a way.
You make sense.
Yes, both sides "won" the 1812 war. The only power that lost decisively and objectively was Napoleonic France.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:41 am |
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Do you see Canada becoming a republic in the next decade or two, Eyeless? Or is Canada's history as a country that resisted its republican neighbor by keeping the entrenched monarchy, going to make any such prospect dim? Furthermore, would you trust a ceremonial president to replace the duties of the GG and the monarch, whilst the PM and Parliamentary system remained effectively unchanged in their roles and respective powers?
The Aussies are apparently planning to do away with the monarchy after Queen Liz expires. But they're a different case. They have a unique distinguishable accent and culture, their own continent all to themselves, and they've had strong republican sentiment since the establishment of their commonwealth in 1901.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:49 am |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Eyeless wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Imperator-Dei wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
But the republic survived, we broke even with Britain in the 1812 war (neither side "won")
I think that's debatable. In the treaty of Ghent, the American's were guaranteed free trade, unimpeded by the British Navy, and the British promised to stop incensing the frontier tribes. Overall the war resulted in a rise in respect for American sovereignty and independence from the imperial powers.
As for Britain, they held on to their Canadian colonies, and probably lost interest in policing American trade after the Napoleonic wars were over.
I think both sides won, in a way.
You make sense.
Yes, both sides "won" the 1812 war. The only power that lost decisively and objectively was Napoleonic France.
I also think that the war was less one sided then many Canadians like to make it seem. Britain was eager to force a peace, because the American's were hell on their shipping lanes. And Canadians are taught mostly of the invasion of Washington, rarely the failed attempt at Baltimore.
And yes, the decline of Napoleon allowed for both sides to get what they wanted, so a lot of reasons for the conflict just ceased to exist.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:53 am |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Do you see Canada becoming a republic in the next decade or two, Eyeless? Or is Canada's history as a country that resisted its republican neighbor by keeping the entrenched monarchy, going to make any such prospect dim? Furthermore, would you trust a ceremonial president to replace the duties of the GG and the monarch, whilst the PM and Parliamentary system remained effectively unchanged in their roles and respective powers?
The Aussies are apparently planning to do away with the monarchy after Queen Liz expires. But they're a different case. They have a unique distinguishable accent and culture, their own continent all to themselves, and they've had strong republican sentiment since the establishment of their commonwealth in 1901.
I don't think Canadians care/know enough for anything to change drastically. The Common Wealth affects us so little that it only really exists in history text books.
Polls suggest that most Canadians don't even know the queen is their head of state.
I don't think there will be a big push for an official Republic because culturally and politically, we're already there.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 08:00 am |
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Eyeless wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Eyeless wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Imperator-Dei wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Don't worry.. We won't annex you as the 51st state, if you decide to sever your last ties to the British crown.
how did that work out the last time?
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
But the republic survived, we broke even with Britain in the 1812 war (neither side "won")
I think that's debatable. In the treaty of Ghent, the American's were guaranteed free trade, unimpeded by the British Navy, and the British promised to stop incensing the frontier tribes. Overall the war resulted in a rise in respect for American sovereignty and independence from the imperial powers.
As for Britain, they held on to their Canadian colonies, and probably lost interest in policing American trade after the Napoleonic wars were over.
I think both sides won, in a way.
You make sense.
Yes, both sides "won" the 1812 war. The only power that lost decisively and objectively was Napoleonic France.
I also think that the war was less one sided then many Canadians like to make it seem. Britain was eager to force a peace, because the American's were hell on their shipping lanes. And Canadians are taught mostly of the invasion of Washington, rarely the failed attempt at Baltimore.
And yes, the decline of Napoleon allowed for both sides to get what they wanted, so a lot of reasons for the conflict just ceased to exist.
We need more people like you and I , who respect one another's nations and view each other with balanced eyes!
I mean seriously... It's f*cking North America. Can't we all get along?
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Imperator-Dei
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:30 pm |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote:
yeah, yeah, yeah... You (Or rather the British, as Canadians didn't exist as a legal nationality or even solid identity back then) burned down our white house, lol.
AH but the modern provinced of Ontario and Quebec were known as Upper and Lower CANADA! and most fo the army in the begining was Militia from these provinces...
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Imperator-Dei
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:31 pm |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: I hope you guys realized I was only joking about the 51st state
(although with the number of dual US-Canadian Citizens residing in Canada, as well as the cultural AND economic integration on both sides of the Border, Canada is like America's- as well as Britain's brother)
Americas brother Britain's child...
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