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donkey32
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 04:56 am |
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According to human rights lawyer John Sifton, the CIA tortured some of its detainees in the War on Terror so severely that it had to take measures to keep them alive so they could continue being tortured. Sifton, who is the executive director of One World Research, told an interviewer for Russia Today that there was both a CIA detention program and a military detention program and that "The CIA program was by far the most secretive. ... That's the one that only had a few dozen detainees at any given time -- but it's the one that saw the biggest abuses, the most serious forms of torture."
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/lawyer-cia-prevented-prisoner-deaths-prolong-torture/
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Last edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 01:55 pm by Paula Ticks
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Pigasus
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 11:59 am |
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According to the Independent, "Human Rights First’s report, Command’s Responsibility, based on its study of autopsy reports and interviews with military personnel, witnesses and physicians, found that between August 2002 and February 2006 nearly 100 detainees had died 'while in the hands of U.S. officials in the global 'war on terror.' Although the military had deemed 34 of those deaths suspected or confirmed homicides, Human Rights First counted a total of 45 cases where the facts suggested 'death as a result of physical abuse or harsh conditions of detention.' What’s more, in almost half the cases surveyed, 'the cause of death remains officially undetermined or unannounced.' Overall, the group found, by the beginning of 2006, 'eight people in U.S. custody were tortured to death.'”
Last month, however, the Washington Independent reported that in the last few years the military has simply stopped reporting detainee deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq altogether, even those from natural causes.
These are the sorts of disgusting and inhumane things that happen when self-righteous, nazi-ish ideologues get in power.
Last edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 12:01 pm by Pigasus
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Danokan
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 12:06 pm |
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Well
If you are torturing someone for intel.. you would want to keep them alive.
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KidA
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 01:29 pm |
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Danokan wrote: Well
If you are torturing someone for intel.. you would want to keep them alive.
good point conservative.
Last edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 01:30 pm by KidA
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donkey32
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 04:09 pm |
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Danokan wrote: Well
If you are torturing someone for intel.. you would want to keep them alive.
Though it seems that torturing them to the point of NEEDING emergency care to keep torturing them is (at the very least) self defeating.
It's also disgusting and criminal.
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bushmaster
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:26 pm |
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Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture. ![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif)
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Rexxhavikk
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:02 am |
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Torture stories are leftwing radical bullshi*.
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f0ca1
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:05 am |
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bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
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donkey32
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:14 am |
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Rexxhavikk wrote: Torture stories are leftwing radical bullshi*.
Tell that to the people of Guatemala.
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:14 am |
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f0ca1 wrote: bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
Survival............. so we can exercise our inalienable rights and you guys better soon figure it out.........
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f0ca1
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:16 am |
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lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
Survival............. so we can exercise our inalienable rights and you guys better soon figure it out.........
That sounds like a threat, to me.
Who's side are you on, anyway?
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:29 am |
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f0ca1 wrote: lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
Survival............. so we can exercise our inalienable rights and you guys better soon figure it out.........
That sounds like a threat, to me.
Who's side are you on, anyway?
A threat to who, Radical Islam, damn straight. I am on the side that understands the threat of radical Islam....
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f0ca1
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:36 am |
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lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
Survival............. so we can exercise our inalienable rights and you guys better soon figure it out.........
That sounds like a threat, to me.
Who's side are you on, anyway?
A threat to who, Radical Islam, damn straight. I am on the side that understands the threat of radical Islam....
So, you say we should fear the terrorists.
Be afraid, because the other guys are so dangerous, and sooo scary, that we should abandon reason, and our core values.
That sounds pretty radical to me.
I don't care if you're islamic or christian, or hindi. That's radical talk.
And its the kind of talk that got more Americans killed in Iraq than 9/11.
Last edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:37 am by f0ca1
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:15 am |
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f0ca1 wrote: lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: lightoftruth wrote: f0ca1 wrote: bushmaster wrote: Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
The question is: what are we fighting for in a war on terror, if not our core values, like the inalienable right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment?
Survival............. so we can exercise our inalienable rights and you guys better soon figure it out.........
That sounds like a threat, to me.
Who's side are you on, anyway?
A threat to who, Radical Islam, damn straight. I am on the side that understands the threat of radical Islam....
So, you say we should fear the terrorists.
Be afraid, because the other guys are so dangerous, and sooo scary, that we should abandon reason, and our core values.
That sounds pretty radical to me.
I don't care if you're islamic or christian, or hindi. That's radical talk.
And its the kind of talk that got more Americans killed in Iraq than 9/11.
No I did not say that, I said you guys need to understand the fight / enemy.
I see your merry - go - round MO has not change since you took your ball and ran home crying........![[grin]](/forums/themes/default/grinning-smiley-007.gif) and no I'm still not playing..........
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:37 am |
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bushmaster schreef:
Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
A society that resorts to torture doesn't deserve to be defended.
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European Snob
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:43 am |
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zonnebloem wrote: bushmaster schreef:
Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
A society that resorts to torture doesn't deserve to be defended.
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
- GWB
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:11 am |
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European Snob schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: bushmaster schreef:
Sadly,we are walking a tightrope of defending our country and at the same time facing the moral dilemma of torture.
A society that resorts to torture doesn't deserve to be defended.
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
- GWB
Ah, the Bushisms. Always funny.
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robert stout
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:20 am |
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If you are going to do real torture, be careful that none are left alive to complain... ![[allamerican]](/forums/themes/default/allamerican.gif)
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:22 am |
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Libs consider it torture when their tea is not the right temperature for drinking......
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European Snob
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:23 am |
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zonnebloem wrote: European Snob schreef:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
- GWB
Ah, the Bushisms. Always funny.
"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."
- GWB
Very much in line with his human rights policy.
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