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dem4life
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:35 pm |
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| Lil georgie went through Generals like I go through big girls. But now cons are concerned about our troops. LMAO...
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:38 pm |
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dem4life wrote: Lil georgie went through Generals like I go through big girls. But now cons are concerned about our troops. LMAO...
Yes, Georgie should have unleashed the Dogs as well.
However, Bush never did what Obama is doing now....taking months to decide whether or not to give a General the troops he's pleading for!
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wilmywood8455
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:39 pm |
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Emaus_40 wrote: It really touched me that the President chose to do this. An impossible prayer it is, but I still pray that someday peace will prevail so that no President will have to carry the burden of sending our soldiers into harms way.
I appreciate your sentiments; I share them.
The President was no doubt aware that he would be putting himself in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' position (witness some of the more cynical remarks by others), and I choose to assume he's doing it for the right reasons.
If I were a parent of a soldier, I'd want to be damned sure the POTUS went to receive those deceased, and have a glimpse of the results of whatever decision he makes, before he makes it.
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dem4life
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:42 pm |
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Right-Wing wrote: dem4life wrote: Lil georgie went through Generals like I go through big girls. But now cons are concerned about our troops. LMAO...
Yes, Georgie should have unleashed the Dogs as well.
However, Bush never did what Obama is doing now....taking months to decide whether or not to give a General the troops he's pleading for!
You're correct. Lil georgie invaded another country w/o having planned ahead. Because of this, thousands of our men and women died for no reason...
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wilmywood8455
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:44 pm |
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Right-Wing wrote: dem4life wrote: Lil georgie went through Generals like I go through big girls. But now cons are concerned about our troops. LMAO...
Yes, Georgie should have unleashed the Dogs as well.
However, Bush never did what Obama is doing now....taking months to decide whether or not to give a General the troops he's pleading for!
I don't believe the decision he is pondering is if, or how many, troops to send or not send; rather, it's whether to get out completely or not, IMO. I'm sure he's aware that no one has ever succeeded in doing anything with Afghanistan, and that it could quickly become the kind of situation that drove LBJ from the White House.
He has said that he will decide between Nov 7th (the Afghan runoff election) and 11th; the right decision is more important than when it is made, IMO.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:04 pm |
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c2c wrote: oleman wrote: c2c wrote: oleman wrote: manofsteelbeams wrote: dem4life wrote: Nothing President Obama does will please the cons. It surprises me that the right (the pro-military crowd) would have a problem with this. You people have no shame. Anyhoo, continue whining about President Obama...
I have no problem that he did this at all.
It is the slobbering over such a trivial and inconsequential act that disturbs me.
He did what the majority of Americans would do given the chance. So I agree. Wish he would now get off the fence and comply with his commanders request or replace his commanders with those who will tell him what he wants to hear. Indecision shows weakness of spirit and dedication to a cause thus strengthen our enemies.
There are far more then just military considerations to be considered.
Now I know how anxious you are to see a rushed decision made in this matter before every aspect is considered. However, the safety of our country, the safety of our heroes in uniform and the future of that region are all needs that must be considered or all we will do is make those decisions that might ultimately lead to another incident that could have been avoided if we had committed to the right course of action the first time.
Everyone is anxious to see our soldiers in the minimum amount of danger, preferably none at all. The death tolls coming out of Afghanistan are heart breaking. We need a decision however that will make conditions better in the immediate, short term and long run. Perhaps if the previous administration had contemplated all sides of this issue before running off half-cocked into Iraq then Afghanistan would not be where it is today. Maybe we would be winding things down and leaving. Maybe the Taliban would not have rebuilt itself. A lot of unknowns to be certain but one thing is known for sure and that is bad decisions will cost more lives then making the correct decisions.
We were in Afghanistan for many, many years with no real actions being properly considered for a realistic outcome that would be in the best interests of our country or theirs. Suddenly after years of all but ignoring the region it's a failure on the part of the current President to act responsibly in this process? Yeah, sure.
I am sure your war college experience is far more than the Generals on the ground. Obama's is 0, just like yours.
True, my war college experience is not that of the Generals and the papers my brother wrote for the war college hardly makes me an expert or even an amateur for having studied them.
However it does not take war college experience to understand the mistakes that were made in Afghanistan for the past eight years or that bad decisions made today will ultimately lead to a greater death toll of our heroes and the civilians around them and recreate in total the danger that existed on the morning of 9/11.
Good decisions today will mean more lives might not be lost tomorrow due to continuing the incomplete evaluation and contemplation processes which have led us today back to a level of tragic casualties.
Going back and taking the same hill twice is not looking out for our heroes. Let's be sure that the decisions that our country makes insures that no such nonsense need take place out of desire to make a loud choice over a sound one.
No dough Afghanistan has and will be a hard nut to crack, however we pay the military to achieve an objective and not responding to their request is no way to accomplish it. Obama has zero military experience and his decisions are clouded by politics which puts our troops in danger just as it has in wars past.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:16 pm |
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manofsteelbeams wrote: Those that carp that 'Bush never did this' need to understand something.
You don't KNOW President Bush never did this.
Remember, for the longest time reporters were not allowed.
You know President Obama did this because he wanted it KNOWN that he did this, and what does that mean?
You seem to have conveniently forgotten who started this sh**tfight in the first place. GW warmongering Bush.
Barry has inherited Bush's sh**tfest.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:25 pm |
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Right-Wing wrote: dem4life wrote: Lil georgie went through Generals like I go through big girls. But now cons are concerned about our troops. LMAO...
Yes, Georgie should have unleashed the Dogs as well.
However, Bush never did what Obama is doing now....taking months to decide whether or not to give a General the troops he's pleading for!
OMG it's going 'arse up' in Afghanistan...................the Russians could have told you this 20 years ago....................no one wins in Afghanistan, just like Vietnam. Time to ship out methinks.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:29 pm |
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ignorance is bliss wrote: manofsteelbeams wrote: Those that carp that 'Bush never did this' need to understand something.
You don't KNOW President Bush never did this.
Remember, for the longest time reporters were not allowed.
You know President Obama did this because he wanted it KNOWN that he did this, and what does that mean?
You seem to have conveniently forgotten who started this sh**tfight in the first place. GW warmongering Bush.
Barry has inherited Bush's sh**tfest.
And you seemed to have forgotten 9-11. Obama even stated Afghanistan was a war of necessity.
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wilmywood8455
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 10:16 pm |
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oleman wrote: ignorance is bliss wrote: You seem to have conveniently forgotten who started this sh**tfight in the first place. GW warmongering Bush.
Barry has inherited Bush's sh**tfest.
And you seemed to have forgotten 9-11. Obama even stated Afghanistan was a war of necessity.
Was being the operative word there; it was a war of necessity. It no longer is. The Taliban are in Pakistan now, and only God knows where OBL is.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 12:41 am |
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Emaus_40 wrote: As his decision on Afghanistan war strategy nears, President Obama made a surprise trip to Dover Air Force Base Wednesday night into Thursday morning to attend the dignified transfer movement of 18 U.S. personnel who were killed in Afghanistan on Monday.
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/29/4946/
Funny how only one family out of 18 allowed him a photo op. Guess they don't agree with his policy on the war. Oh, what policy? He doesn't have one. Yet.
Maybe he will before another thousand Americans die do to his indecision. Understand October was the highest death toll since the war started. Guess he's doing something wrong. Maybe "indecisiveness and political calculation" isn't a tactic after all, but a detriment to our troops. Mmmmm, like Viet Nam.
Bush's policy was to "not" take along the White House photog's when he honored our military dead. Obama's policy must be to get the best photo op when he can, too bad those stupid idiot families just won't allow him to use them for his benefit! How dare they?
Emaus, you're as incompetent as the boy in the White House.
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dem4life
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 12:44 am |
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AlterEgo wrote: Emaus_40 wrote: As his decision on Afghanistan war strategy nears, President Obama made a surprise trip to Dover Air Force Base Wednesday night into Thursday morning to attend the dignified transfer movement of 18 U.S. personnel who were killed in Afghanistan on Monday.
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/29/4946/
Funny how only one family out of 18 allowed him a photo op. Guess they don't agree with his policy on the war. Oh, what policy? He doesn't have one. Yet.
Maybe he will before another thousand Americans die do to his indecision. Understand October was the highest death toll since the war started. Guess he's doing something wrong. Maybe "indecisiveness and political calculation" isn't a tactic after all, but a detriment to our troops. Mmmmm, like Viet Nam.
Bush's policy was to "not" take along the White House photog's when he honored our military dead. Obama's policy must be to get the best photo op when he can, too bad those stupid idiot families just won't allow him to use them for his benefit! How dare they?
Emaus, you're as incompetent as the boy in the White House.
Why do you refer to President Obama as boy...
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 12:59 am |
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manofsteelbeams wrote: Oh please.
A tissue thin pretext to build 'street-cred' as a guy who gives a darn about the troops.
If he did, he'd do what was necessary to protect the ones out in the field and wouldn't spend over two FULL months gnashing his teeth and wringing his hands, letting more and more die.
The enemy senses his vacillation and weakness and is stepping up operations, killing us faster.
This decision should not have taken any more time it takes than to pick up the phone and tell the Pentagon 'give him what he wants'.
Obama's visit was unannounced. It was not a media stunt.
Obama has put more troops in Afghanistan than any US POTUS, ever.
You cry about troop numbers now from the standpoint of Obama drastically increasing them from Bush. You whine about the time it's taking Obama to make the decision to send even more when you have no clue how long Bush took to make his decisions on the multiple increases in troop numbers he engaged in. Bush's initial deployments were woefully inadequate at the beginning in both Iraq and Afghanistan....hence the "surge" at the very end of the Iraq conflict...well after the bulk of US troop deaths. Obama has been MORE hawkish on Afghanistan than Bush ever hoped to be.
Certainly, Bush attempted to sell it as him merely doing what the generals said, but his infighting between generals and various pentagon (civi and military) are well documented. You have no clue the extent to which Bush "gnashed his teeth" over deployment numbers, only that he was a republican whose cheap appeals to Americana image was satisfactory enough for your low standards for political leadership.
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Emaus_40
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 01:04 am |
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AlterEgo wrote: Emaus, you're as incompetent as the boy in the White House.
Simmer down there, Stalin. Care to tell me what I said which demonstrates I am as incompetent as President Obama?
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 01:37 am |
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dem4life wrote: AlterEgo wrote: Emaus_40 wrote: As his decision on Afghanistan war strategy nears, President Obama made a surprise trip to Dover Air Force Base Wednesday night into Thursday morning to attend the dignified transfer movement of 18 U.S. personnel who were killed in Afghanistan on Monday.
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/29/4946/
Funny how only one family out of 18 allowed him a photo op. Guess they don't agree with his policy on the war. Oh, what policy? He doesn't have one. Yet.
Maybe he will before another thousand Americans die do to his indecision. Understand October was the highest death toll since the war started. Guess he's doing something wrong. Maybe "indecisiveness and political calculation" isn't a tactic after all, but a detriment to our troops. Mmmmm, like Viet Nam.
Bush's policy was to "not" take along the White House photog's when he honored our military dead. Obama's policy must be to get the best photo op when he can, too bad those stupid idiot families just won't allow him to use them for his benefit! How dare they?
Emaus, you're as incompetent as the boy in the White House.
Why do you refer to President Obama as boy...
WHY? Because it would be a LIE to call him a girl.
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Oldman - you are wrong. The war in Afghanistan, as much as you would like people
to think of it as being Obama`s, is outright nonsense. It will be long remembered due to the invasion of Iraq, as the war GWB deserted! Regardless of its outcome, it is still on his tab, and nothing you can say will ever change that. George W. Bush, before leaving office,
had seven years to fix the problem - he did not.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 07:36 pm |
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oleman wrote: He did what the majority of Americans would do given the chance. So I agree. Wish he would now get off the fence and comply with his commanders request or replace his commanders with those who will tell him what he wants to hear. Indecision shows weakness of spirit and dedication to a cause thus strengthen our enemies.
Considering that W sent troops into Iraq without body armor and enough armored vehicles, I like it that he's making sure his options won't get more people killed.
There would probably be several hundred more soldiers alive today if Bush and Cheney had at the very least had adequate plans to seize former Iraqi army weapons and explosives.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:41 pm |
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valiant76 wrote: Oldman - you are wrong. The war in Afghanistan, as much as you would like people
to think of it as being Obama`s, is outright nonsense. It will be long remembered due to the invasion of Iraq, as the war GWB deserted! Regardless of its outcome, it is still on his tab, and nothing you can say will ever change that. George W. Bush, before leaving office,
had seven years to fix the problem - he did not.
Viet Nam became Johnsons war following JFK. This will become Obamas Viet Nam. Read history it might surprise you.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:44 pm |
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EmperorNortonII wrote: oleman wrote: He did what the majority of Americans would do given the chance. So I agree. Wish he would now get off the fence and comply with his commanders request or replace his commanders with those who will tell him what he wants to hear. Indecision shows weakness of spirit and dedication to a cause thus strengthen our enemies.
Considering that W sent troops into Iraq without body armor and enough armored vehicles, I like it that he's making sure his options won't get more people killed.
There would probably be several hundred more soldiers alive today if Bush and Cheney had at the very least had adequate plans to seize former Iraqi army weapons and explosives.
Obama is a sheep like most civilians. He needs to lession to his sheep dogs, the generals, on how to wage war on the wolves.
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