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Calgary Libertarian
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 06:48 pm |
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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/10/30/11582746.html
"All Calgary vaccination clinics have stopped accepting H1N1 vaccine recipients after they were overwhelmed by public response.
"The Richmond, Avenida and Brentwood clinics began turning away poeple this morning after they were swamped on the fifth day of the vaccination campaign.
"Health Minister Ron Liepert attributed the huge turnout to public concern over the availability of the vaccine after it was reported yesterday there'd be a delay in the delivery of the medicine next week.
"There are a total of five clinics located in the city, with no plans to increase their number, said Liepert, due to the limited supply of vaccine."
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:27 pm |
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And here I thought Canada was well-prepared for the impending flu season. (I really want to get the vaccine, but I agree that it shouldn't be "compulsory" under any circumstances..)...
Sadly, it'll be another two weeks before the vaccine is available for healthy adults in the lower mainland of B.C. But I guess it's only fair. The decrepit and pregnant should go first in line.
Also, it takes a a few weeks, to a month for the immunity to develop.. Considering that the flu will be in full swing by early December, alot of people might take it too late to make any significant difference in their potential symptoms and outcomes.
Overall, though, I don't expect H1N1 to be any more severe or deadly than the "Nominal" flu.
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Calgary Libertarian
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:40 pm |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: And here I thought Canada was well-prepared for the impending flu season.
Really well prepared. Supposedly the government bought 50,000,000 vaccines. Maybe they got a volume discount, but the population is around 33 million.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:54 pm |
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Calgary Libertarian wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: And here I thought Canada was well-prepared for the impending flu season.
Really well prepared. Supposedly the government bought 50,000,000 vaccines. Maybe they got a volume discount, but the population is around 33 million.
They probably used up 80% of the vaccines on polar bears, canada geese, snow hares, and penguins... Wait, Penguins don't live in Canada... 
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:17 pm |
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Mazel Schlimazel wrote: Calgary Libertarian wrote: Mazel Schlimazel wrote: And here I thought Canada was well-prepared for the impending flu season.
Really well prepared. Supposedly the government bought 50,000,000 vaccines. Maybe they got a volume discount, but the population is around 33 million.
They probably used up 80% of the vaccines on polar bears, canada geese, snow hares, and penguins... Wait, Penguins don't live in Canada...
Those animals need protection from this swine flu also. I say that they should be a priority. Humans can wait. Every animal in the world appears to be on the endangered animal lists so let's get them innoculated first before we lose anymore. 
Geez, what would the world be like with a few million less geese. Of course it would be a lot safer to walk on the grass and not having to step in all the doo-doo that they leave behind. Now I am not sure as to what we should do. 
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:21 pm |
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Calgary Libertarian wrote: http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/10/30/11582746.html
"All Calgary vaccination clinics have stopped accepting H1N1 vaccine recipients after they were overwhelmed by public response.
"The Richmond, Avenida and Brentwood clinics began turning away poeple this morning after they were swamped on the fifth day of the vaccination campaign.
"Health Minister Ron Liepert attributed the huge turnout to public concern over the availability of the vaccine after it was reported yesterday there'd be a delay in the delivery of the medicine next week.
"There are a total of five clinics located in the city, with no plans to increase their number, said Liepert, due to the limited supply of vaccine."
I read that approx. 40,000 people world wide die each year from the regular flu and about approx. 2,000 die from what is called the swine flu. So why all the hype about the swine flu? I think the big pharma boys want to make some big money here.
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TenaciousC
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:53 pm |
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Tell that to the Frustaglio family
http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/health/12-year-old-boy-dies-of-h1n1-in-ontario-20091027.html
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TenaciousC wrote: Tell that to the Frustaglio family
http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/health/12-year-old-boy-dies-of-h1n1-in-ontario-20091027.html
The story said that he died from "symptons" of the swine flu. It didn't say that his death was directly due to the swine flu. So just what was it that he died from?
So just what is it that do you want me to tell the Family?
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fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: Tell that to the Frustaglio family
http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/health/12-year-old-boy-dies-of-h1n1-in-ontario-20091027.html
The story said that he died from "symptons" of the swine flu. It didn't say that his death was directly due to the swine flu. So just what was it that he died from?
So just what is it that do you want me to tell the Family?
Are you dumb? If you die from the symptoms of AIDS, does that mean you died of Cancer. Parents have every right to be concerned and want to get a shot, it's their jobs as parents.
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TenaciousC wrote: fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: Tell that to the Frustaglio family
http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/health/12-year-old-boy-dies-of-h1n1-in-ontario-20091027.html
The story said that he died from "symptons" of the swine flu. It didn't say that his death was directly due to the swine flu. So just what was it that he died from?
So just what is it that do you want me to tell the Family?
Are you dumb? If you die from the symptoms of AIDS, does that mean you died of Cancer. Parents have every right to be concerned and want to get a shot, it's their jobs as parents.
Are you dumb? Do you not know the difference between "symptoms" and the actual cause? Look, I don't care what a parent does, it's their choice, who am I to tell them as to what kind of chit they allow injected in their kids veins or themselves. It makes me laugh to see all these people lined up and in a panic outside some place waiting to get their dose of whatever. I am almost sure that those people have not bothered to checkout the information out there as to what could be in those vaccines. I read that some vaccines have mercury in them. Would you take a posionous substance like that if you knew it contained thimersol(mercury)?
I would think a parents job would be to first find out as to what the contents of the vaccines are before they start putting anything in their childrens bodies first. It's criminal not to. There have been known facts that some people have died after taken the so-called life saving vaccines. But that is never really revealed all that much by the media.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 01:31 am |
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You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
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TenaciousC wrote: You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
I am not telling parents to do anything, ass. I was only suggesting that parents maybe should checkout the ingredients of any vaccine first before they allow their children or themselves to be injected with the stuff. Yes, I do believe that I have a much better understanding of vaccines and their contents and of the injuries and deaths that have been attributed to them, a lot more today, than what I did years ago. And from my understanding most if not all doctors will not be injecting any vaccines into themselves or their children. Probably because they know why.
Don't believe me go ask your doctor and ask him/her to be honest with you, would they inject themselves or their children? I would be curious as to what the answer would be. But besides that they won't mind injecting anybody else. Money maybe?
I am my own doctor and I know that if my immune system is up to par, it is my understanding, from literature that I have read, that one need not worry about things like the swine flu or any flu for that matter.
Your the joke here and go get your flu shot. Happy trails.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:23 pm |
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http://www.eurosurveillance.org/images/dynamic/EE/V14N41/art19358.pdf
H1N1 has peaked. The government can chill out, now.
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:15 am |
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Calgary Libertarian wrote: http://www.eurosurveillance.org/images/dynamic/EE/V14N41/art19358.pdf
H1N1 has peaked. The government can chill out, now.
The government cannot chill out, it has to keep the scare tactics going because it would appear as though this is good for big pharma. It would appear as though government and big pharma go hand in hand. It maybe has something to do with those political handouts from big pharma.
H1N1 = rectum, uhm?
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:31 am |
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fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
I am not telling parents to do anything, ass. I was only suggesting that parents maybe should checkout the ingredients of any vaccine first before they allow their children or themselves to be injected with the stuff. Yes, I do believe that I have a much better understanding of vaccines and their contents and of the injuries and deaths that have been attributed to them, a lot more today, than what I did years ago. And from my understanding most if not all doctors will not be injecting any vaccines into themselves or their children. Probably because they know why.
Don't believe me go ask your doctor and ask him/her to be honest with you, would they inject themselves or their children? I would be curious as to what the answer would be. But besides that they won't mind injecting anybody else. Money maybe?
I am my own doctor and I know that if my immune system is up to par, it is my understanding, from literature that I have read, that one need not worry about things like the swine flu or any flu for that matter.
Your the joke here and go get your flu shot. Happy trails.
Sorry to burst your bubble fed, but I work with many doctors, as they are my clients. The ones with small kids have been vaccinated and so have their kids. I can't speak about all my clients, as I haven't spoken with all of them yet, but the ones I have spoken to have gotten the shot. Just like my kids. The bottom line is, this vaccine will reduce your chance of getting H1N1 by up to 98%. It is produced the same way as the regular flu shot, by the same company, Glaxo. For your mercury comment before, there is less mercury in this shot than a can of tuna.
Now, has this thing been over hyped? Maybe. That doesn't change the fact that this vaccine will save lives. Do you wear a seat belt?
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 08:21 am |
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MadHabber wrote: fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
I am not telling parents to do anything, ass. I was only suggesting that parents maybe should checkout the ingredients of any vaccine first before they allow their children or themselves to be injected with the stuff. Yes, I do believe that I have a much better understanding of vaccines and their contents and of the injuries and deaths that have been attributed to them, a lot more today, than what I did years ago. And from my understanding most if not all doctors will not be injecting any vaccines into themselves or their children. Probably because they know why.
Don't believe me go ask your doctor and ask him/her to be honest with you, would they inject themselves or their children? I would be curious as to what the answer would be. But besides that they won't mind injecting anybody else. Money maybe?
I am my own doctor and I know that if my immune system is up to par, it is my understanding, from literature that I have read, that one need not worry about things like the swine flu or any flu for that matter.
Your the joke here and go get your flu shot. Happy trails.
Sorry to burst your bubble fed, but I work with many doctors, as they are my clients. The ones with small kids have been vaccinated and so have their kids. I can't speak about all my clients, as I haven't spoken with all of them yet, but the ones I have spoken to have gotten the shot. Just like my kids. The bottom line is, this vaccine will reduce your chance of getting H1N1 by up to 98%. It is produced the same way as the regular flu shot, by the same company, Glaxo. For your mercury comment before, there is less mercury in this shot than a can of tuna.
Now, has this thing been over hyped? Maybe. That doesn't change the fact that this vaccine will save lives. Do you wear a seat belt?
You haven't quite burst my bubble yet, but it was a good try though. 
So just how will anyone really ever know as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine will work or not and save lives? There is no way of ever really knowing or can be proven as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine is really protecting anybody from anything after someone has taken the vaccine. We only have the medical and big pharma industry who tell us this vaccine will help us all avoid the swine flu. To me it looks more like big pharma maybe telling us all this to make some more money by trying to peddle their vaccines on a gullible or frightened people. And it appears to be working with all those lineups we see on TV everyday.
Have you ever heard of the "politics of fear"? The media is part of the establishment and when the establishment wants to create an incident they use their media to instill fear in the people and the people fall for the "politics of fear" all the time.
It's nice to see that big pharma came out with the figure of 98%. Now just how did they come up with that figure of 98%? Was it just another way of them saying that if you take our vaccine but if you still get sick well we never said the vaccine was 100% perfect protection from the flu. But what the heck in the meantime they make lots of moola knowing full well someone is bound to get sick after taking their vaccine.
It's called CYA(cover your ass).
So have you been doing any research yourself as to whether this vaccine will work or not or is even safe to take? If so, what proof do you have?
Have you been reading any of the many websites that are out there telling everyone about some of the dangers in taking some of these vaccines?
Probably not. Most people don't do anything except listen to the authorities who are suppose to know all and all will be ok as long as they do as they are told. Most people lack the ability to be able to think for themselves and will allow others to do their thinking for them. Not all in authority are always right or are telling the truth.
If, like you say there is less mercury in the vaccine than a can of tuna, what is the purpose of putting mercury in any vaccine, in the first place, isn't mercury toxic? From what I have read injesting mercury into your body can cause some brain damage.
Yes, I believe it has been all hyped up, by big pharma and the media, because there was money to be made from doing so and I don't believe it had anything to do with saving lives. On the contrary it could do more harm, than good. Those doctors and their kids allowing themselves to be injected could only mean that they have been frightened into taking the shot themselves like so many others. Who knows, eh?
I don't always wear my seatbelt. It's my way of protesting a law that should not be. Wearing a seatbelt should be left up to the individual as to whether they want to wear it or not. No one should be told that they have to wear their seatbelt. Period
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fedup taxpayer wrote: MadHabber wrote: fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
I am not telling parents to do anything, ass. I was only suggesting that parents maybe should checkout the ingredients of any vaccine first before they allow their children or themselves to be injected with the stuff. Yes, I do believe that I have a much better understanding of vaccines and their contents and of the injuries and deaths that have been attributed to them, a lot more today, than what I did years ago. And from my understanding most if not all doctors will not be injecting any vaccines into themselves or their children. Probably because they know why.
Don't believe me go ask your doctor and ask him/her to be honest with you, would they inject themselves or their children? I would be curious as to what the answer would be. But besides that they won't mind injecting anybody else. Money maybe?
I am my own doctor and I know that if my immune system is up to par, it is my understanding, from literature that I have read, that one need not worry about things like the swine flu or any flu for that matter.
Your the joke here and go get your flu shot. Happy trails.
Sorry to burst your bubble fed, but I work with many doctors, as they are my clients. The ones with small kids have been vaccinated and so have their kids. I can't speak about all my clients, as I haven't spoken with all of them yet, but the ones I have spoken to have gotten the shot. Just like my kids. The bottom line is, this vaccine will reduce your chance of getting H1N1 by up to 98%. It is produced the same way as the regular flu shot, by the same company, Glaxo. For your mercury comment before, there is less mercury in this shot than a can of tuna.
Now, has this thing been over hyped? Maybe. That doesn't change the fact that this vaccine will save lives. Do you wear a seat belt?
You haven't quite burst my bubble yet, but it was a good try though.
So just how will anyone really ever know as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine will work or not and save lives? There is no way of ever really knowing or can be proven as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine is really protecting anybody from anything after someone has taken the vaccine. We only have the medical and big pharma industry who tell us this vaccine will help us all avoid the swine flu. To me it looks more like big pharma maybe telling us all this to make some more money by trying to peddle their vaccines on a gullible or frightened people. And it appears to be working with all those lineups we see on TV everyday.
Have you ever heard of the "politics of fear"? The media is part of the establishment and when the establishment wants to create an incident they use their media to instill fear in the people and the people fall for the "politics of fear" all the time.
It's nice to see that big pharma came out with the figure of 98%. Now just how did they come up with that figure of 98%? Was it just another way of them saying that if you take our vaccine but if you still get sick well we never said the vaccine was 100% perfect protection from the flu. But what the heck in the meantime they make lots of moola knowing full well someone is bound to get sick after taking their vaccine.
It's called CYA(cover your ass).
So have you been doing any research yourself as to whether this vaccine will work or not or is even safe to take? If so, what proof do you have?
Have you been reading any of the many websites that are out there telling everyone about some of the dangers in taking some of these vaccines?
Probably not. Most people don't do anything except listen to the authorities who are suppose to know all and all will be ok as long as they do as they are told. Most people lack the ability to be able to think for themselves and will allow others to do their thinking for them. Not all in authority are always right or are telling the truth.
If, like you say there is less mercury in the vaccine than a can of tuna, what is the purpose of putting mercury in any vaccine, in the first place, isn't mercury toxic? From what I have read injesting mercury into your body can cause some brain damage.
Yes, I believe it has been all hyped up, by big pharma and the media, because there was money to be made from doing so and I don't believe it had anything to do with saving lives. On the contrary it could do more harm, than good. Those doctors and their kids allowing themselves to be injected could only mean that they have been frightened into taking the shot themselves like so many others. Who knows, eh?
I don't always wear my seatbelt. It's my way of protesting a law that should not be. Wearing a seatbelt should be left up to the individual as to whether they want to wear it or not. No one should be told that they have to wear their seatbelt. Period
You know what Fed. You don't get it. Those "websites" talking about what's in vaccines are the true fear mongers. Vaccines have saved countless lives for decades. Polio ring a bell????
Please, do some research, before blathering on about something you know little about.
My seat belt comment had nothing to do about the mandatory part of it, and everything to do with prevention. You are not likely to get into an accident the vast majority of times you drive, but you wear a seatbelt 'just in case' you do. Now, in all likelihood, most people won't get seriously ill from H1N1, or get it at all, but this vaccine is for the 'just in case' those who do and could potentially die from it. If you don't want to take it, fine, that's your decision. But don't go whining if you do get it. I know my kids chances will now be next to zero chance, and that gives me a whole lot of peace of mind.
Since I know you won't research the results yourself, here's a summary.
Adjuvanted H1N1 vaccine. GSK reported initial results of 130 healthy volunteers vaccinated with the GSK split-virus 2009 H1N1 adjuvanted vaccine. This showed that a single dose of 5.25 µg of adjuvanted vaccine produced a 1:40 seroconversion in 98% of volunteers at 3 weeks. (GlaxoSmithKline. Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 Influenza Update: initial results from first clinical trial of GSK's H1N1 adjuvanted vaccine [press release]. London, United Kingdom: GlaxoSmithKline; September 14, 2009.)
Effectiveness and cost-effectiveness of vaccine for pandemic Influenza (H1N1) 2009. Researchers analyzed the effectiveness and cost-effectiveness of the 2009 H1N1 vaccine using epidemiologic models designed to predict the progression of pandemic influenza in a city with a population of 8.3 million. Vaccinating 40% of such a population in October would avert 2051 deaths, gain 69,000 quality-adjusted life-years, and save $469 million. Projected benefits are smaller if the epidemic peaks before mid-October.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/709468_3
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MadHabber wrote: fedup taxpayer wrote: MadHabber wrote: fedup taxpayer wrote: TenaciousC wrote: You're such an ass. Who the hell are you to a) Tell those parents to do more research and b) feel you have a much better understanding of the vaccine. Are you a Doctor?
you're a joke
I am not telling parents to do anything, ass. I was only suggesting that parents maybe should checkout the ingredients of any vaccine first before they allow their children or themselves to be injected with the stuff. Yes, I do believe that I have a much better understanding of vaccines and their contents and of the injuries and deaths that have been attributed to them, a lot more today, than what I did years ago. And from my understanding most if not all doctors will not be injecting any vaccines into themselves or their children. Probably because they know why.
Don't believe me go ask your doctor and ask him/her to be honest with you, would they inject themselves or their children? I would be curious as to what the answer would be. But besides that they won't mind injecting anybody else. Money maybe?
I am my own doctor and I know that if my immune system is up to par, it is my understanding, from literature that I have read, that one need not worry about things like the swine flu or any flu for that matter.
Your the joke here and go get your flu shot. Happy trails.
Sorry to burst your bubble fed, but I work with many doctors, as they are my clients. The ones with small kids have been vaccinated and so have their kids. I can't speak about all my clients, as I haven't spoken with all of them yet, but the ones I have spoken to have gotten the shot. Just like my kids. The bottom line is, this vaccine will reduce your chance of getting H1N1 by up to 98%. It is produced the same way as the regular flu shot, by the same company, Glaxo. For your mercury comment before, there is less mercury in this shot than a can of tuna.
Now, has this thing been over hyped? Maybe. That doesn't change the fact that this vaccine will save lives. Do you wear a seat belt?
You haven't quite burst my bubble yet, but it was a good try though.
So just how will anyone really ever know as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine will work or not and save lives? There is no way of ever really knowing or can be proven as to whether or not this swine flu vaccine is really protecting anybody from anything after someone has taken the vaccine. We only have the medical and big pharma industry who tell us this vaccine will help us all avoid the swine flu. To me it looks more like big pharma maybe telling us all this to make some more money by trying to peddle their vaccines on a gullible or frightened people. And it appears to be working with all those lineups we see on TV everyday.
Have you ever heard of the "politics of fear"? The media is part of the establishment and when the establishment wants to create an incident they use their media to instill fear in the people and the people fall for the "politics of fear" all the time.
It's nice to see that big pharma came out with the figure of 98%. Now just how did they come up with that figure of 98%? Was it just another way of them saying that if you take our vaccine but if you still get sick well we never said the vaccine was 100% perfect protection from the flu. But what the heck in the meantime they make lots of moola knowing full well someone is bound to get sick after taking their vaccine.
It's called CYA(cover your ass).
So have you been doing any research yourself as to whether this vaccine will work or not or is even safe to take? If so, what proof do you have?
Have you been reading any of the many websites that are out there telling everyone about some of the dangers in taking some of these vaccines?
Probably not. Most people don't do anything except listen to the authorities who are suppose to know all and all will be ok as long as they do as they are told. Most people lack the ability to be able to think for themselves and will allow others to do their thinking for them. Not all in authority are always right or are telling the truth.
If, like you say there is less mercury in the vaccine than a can of tuna, what is the purpose of putting mercury in any vaccine, in the first place, isn't mercury toxic? From what I have read injesting mercury into your body can cause some brain damage.
Yes, I believe it has been all hyped up, by big pharma and the media, because there was money to be made from doing so and I don't believe it had anything to do with saving lives. On the contrary it could do more harm, than good. Those doctors and their kids allowing themselves to be injected could only mean that they have been frightened into taking the shot themselves like so many others. Who knows, eh?
I don't always wear my seatbelt. It's my way of protesting a law that should not be. Wearing a seatbelt should be left up to the individual as to whether they want to wear it or not. No one should be told that they have to wear their seatbelt. Period
You know what Fed. You don't get it. Those "websites" talking about what's in vaccines are the true fear mongers. Vaccines have saved countless lives for decades. Polio ring a bell????
Please, do some research, before blathering on about something you know little about.
My seat belt comment had nothing to do about the mandatory part of it, and everything to do with prevention. You are not likely to get into an accident the vast majority of times you drive, but you wear a seatbelt 'just in case' you do. Now, in all likelihood, most people won't get seriously ill from H1N1, or get it at all, but this vaccine is for the 'just in case' those who do and could potentially die from it. If you don't want to take it, fine, that's your decision. But don't go whining if you do get it. I know my kids chances will now be next to zero chance, and that gives me a whole lot of peace of mind.
Since I know you won't research the results yourself, here's a summary.
Adjuvanted H1N1 vaccine. GSK reported initial results of 130 healthy volunteers vaccinated with the GSK split-virus 2009 H1N1 adjuvanted vaccine. This showed that a single dose of 5.25 µg of adjuvanted vaccine produced a 1:40 seroconversion in 98% of volunteers at 3 weeks. (GlaxoSmithKline. Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 Influenza Update: initial results from first clinical trial of GSK's H1N1 adjuvanted vaccine [press release]. London, United Kingdom: GlaxoSmithKline; September 14, 2009.)
Effectiveness and cost-effectiveness of vaccine for pandemic Influenza (H1N1) 2009. Researchers analyzed the effectiveness and cost-effectiveness of the 2009 H1N1 vaccine using epidemiologic models designed to predict the progression of pandemic influenza in a city with a population of 8.3 million. Vaccinating 40% of such a population in October would avert 2051 deaths, gain 69,000 quality-adjusted life-years, and save $469 million. Projected benefits are smaller if the epidemic peaks before mid-October.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/709468_3
Whatever. I guess what it all boils down to is that you can believe what you want to believe and I guess I will do the same. I know that I won't be taking the flu shot and I am sure that I will not get the flu. If I do I will let you know, if I survive.
Anyway, you are right I don't know all that much about vaccines other than what I have read but I don't think that you can call yourself an expert on the subject, either. The question we both have to ask ourselves and figure out is who is telling the truth and who is not. I have read enough about the vaccine and it didn't look like any fear mongering to me on the part of the people you call "fear mongers". Why would anybody want to put the fear in people about these vaccines if they were suppose to be safe and can save lives? It would make no sense to me.
But just maybe some people are trying to warn us about the dangers that may be lurking in some of those vaccines. Wouldn't you at least want to know as to whether a vaccine is safe or not? I know I would and if someone has something to say about vaccines and their safety I know I would listen and go from there.
You say that I should do more research? Well, why don't you? Why don't you go to youtube and type in the dangers of the swine flu and read what some other doctors have to say about the dangers of this swine flu and other vaccines. I don't know why you would say that I should do more research when I already have. I have checked out both sides, have you?
I don't think that I am blathering on about something I don't know anything about. Maybe now I do know a little more about vaccines and the dangers and your the one here who is blathering on about something you know nothing about.
Ever heard of Thalydamide? Spelling, not sure. It was suppose to be safe and look what happened. Maybe there were people at the time trying to warn people about the drug but nobody would listen. At least today we have the internet and have a great opportunity to at least get to read and hear the other side of the story.
Hey, I am willing to admit that I could be totally wrong on all of this but for now I am sticking with what I think I now know unless you can 100% prove me brainwashed.
As far as your "summary" goes. It looks like GSK did the testing. So why should anyone believe what they say. It would not be in their interest to find a not so good result. If I want to sell you a product, I want to make that product look fantastic.
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MadHabber
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fedup taxpayer wrote:
Whatever. I guess what it all boils down to is that you can believe what you want to believe and I guess I will do the same. I know that I won't be taking the flu shot and I am sure that I will not get the flu. If I do I will let you know, if I survive. For the record, I normally do not get the flu shot, but with this particular strain I am not fooling around. Remember, its not just a question of dying, its also preventing yourself from getting pretty sick. In addition, if you get it, you can also spread to someone who could have a better chance of dying from it. 3 people died yesterday in London from it because they got it from someone else. Do you not care about spreading this deadly strain??
Anyway, you are right I don't know all that much about vaccines other than what I have read but I don't think that you can call yourself an expert on the subject, either. The question we both have to ask ourselves and figure out is who is telling the truth and who is not. I have read enough about the vaccine and it didn't look like any fear mongering to me on the part of the people you call "fear mongers". Why would anybody want to put the fear in people about these vaccines if they were suppose to be safe and can save lives? It would make no sense to me. You are right, I am not an expert in vaccines, but I am formally educated in Science (MSc. in Biochemistry & Biotechnology), and know how to read and intrepret scientific papers. With the way companies are sued now a days, especially Pharma co., I tend to believe studies done. Remember, Pharma funds the studies, but independent centres and doctors run the studies on patients. They are then peer reviewed, etc., before Health Canada or the FDA just approves them. There are hundreds and hundreds of drugs submitted for approval each year, but only a small % of them make it to market.
But just maybe some people are trying to warn us about the dangers that may be lurking in some of those vaccines. Wouldn't you at least want to know as to whether a vaccine is safe or not? I know I would and if someone has something to say about vaccines and their safety I know I would listen and go from there. I agree, but it depends on who is saying it and where its coming from.
You say that I should do more research? Well, why don't you? Why don't you go to youtube and type in the dangers of the swine flu and read what some other doctors have to say about the dangers of this swine flu and other vaccines. I don't know why you would say that I should do more research when I already have. I have checked out both sides, have you? Like I said above, it depends on where its coming from and who is saying it. Youtube is not the New England Journal of Medicine, as an example.
I don't think that I am blathering on about something I don't know anything about. Maybe now I do know a little more about vaccines and the dangers and your the one here who is blathering on about something you know nothing about. Hee Hee. Funny.
Ever heard of Thalydamide? Spelling, not sure. It was suppose to be safe and look what happened. Maybe there were people at the time trying to warn people about the drug but nobody would listen. At least today we have the internet and have a great opportunity to at least get to read and hear the other side of the story. Yes, I remember that drug. Unfortunately, back then, they didn't do enough research on pregnant women before approving it for its use with them. Do you know that drug was re-introduced back into the market a few years back? And if you trust everything people post on the internet, then you've got a problem.
Hey, I am willing to admit that I could be totally wrong on all of this but for now I am sticking with what I think I now know unless you can 100% prove me brainwashed. I don't think you are brainwashed. You can have your opinion. What I know is this, that my kids and I will pretty much never get the flu from this strain. That's the bottom line. Did the safety of the vaccine cross my mind, sure it did, but nothing has been shown to cause anything serious from any flu vaccine. The H1N1 strain has.
As far as your "summary" goes. It looks like GSK did the testing. So why should anyone believe what they say. It would not be in their interest to find a not so good result. If I want to sell you a product, I want to make that product look fantastic. As mentioned above, GSK would fund the testing, but not carry it out. Sure, it would be in their interest if it works, but it would also be in their interest to find out if it didn't work. That's why they did the testing. Litigation is too much of a risk to put out a potential harmful product on purpose. And what surprises me, about you on this, is your position on Pharma companies making a profit. Kinda makes you sound like a.......LIBERAL, or even worse, NDP'er. Oh MY!!!!!!
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