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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 02:34 pm |
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Promises broken:
LOBBYIST RULES
Pledge: "When you walk into my administration, you will not be able to work on regulations or contracts directly related to your former employer for two years." -- Obama, during a June 22, 2007, speech in Manchester, N.H.
Verdict: Promise Broken. This pledge was broken from the very beginning of Obama's presidency, with the nomination of William Lynn as deputy defense secretary. Lynn was registered until last July as a defense lobbyist for Raytheon Co., where he advocated for a range of military programs. Even though Obama did issue the ethics rules he promised on the campaign trail, he ended up issuing a waiver on Lynn's behalf after senators threatened to hold up the nomination. Lynn was confirmed, and the administration continued to grant waivers for subsequent former lobbyists.
SPENDING
Pledge: "When George Bush came into office, our debt -- national debt was around $5 trillion. It's now over $10 trillion. We've almost doubled it. ... But actually I'm cutting more than I'm spending so that it will be a net spending cut." -- Obama, during an Oct. 7, 2008, debate in Nashville
Verdict: Promise Broken. The federal budget deficit for fiscal 2009 tripled to a record $1.4 trillion, according to a Congressional Budget Office estimate out in early October. That's nearly $1 trillion more than the $459 billion deficit recorded in President Bush's last full year. The recession-driven declines in revenue accounted for a large part of Obama's red ink, but so did increases in spending -- on everything from the economic stimulus to Wall Street bailouts (sealed before Obama took office). Though Obama still says he wants to bring the deficit down significantly before the end of his first term, projections show the fiscal 2010 deficit will also exceed $1 trillion. Even if Obama does make major changes to fiscal policy and cut the deficit in half, that's still hundreds of billions of dollars every year to the national debt.
TRANSPARENCY
Pledge: "That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are." -- Obama, during a Jan. 31, 2008, debate in Los Angeles
Verdict: Promise Broken. While Obama and his congressional allies have given countless briefings and speeches on health care reform, much of the negotiations have taken place behind closed doors. These private meetings have grown more common since the Senate Finance Committee passed its version of the bill in mid-October, becoming the last of five congressional panels to clear the bill. Lawmakers are now trying to hammer out versions that can pass the full House and Senate.
HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE
Pledge: "If you've got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I'm going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You'll still have choice of doctor. There's no mandate involved." -- Obama, during an Oct. 7, 2008, debate in Nashville
Verdict: Promise Broken. All of the health care reform plans before Congress endorse some kind of requirement for people to get health insurance. And during his Sept. 9 address to a joint session of Congress, Obama endorsed the idea as well. "Improving our health care system only works if everybody does their part," the president said. Obama expressed a wholly different point of view during the Democratic primaries, when one of the few policy differences between him and Hillary Clinton was that she supported an individual mandate while he did not. He persistently defended the decision, arguing that the reason people don't have health insurance is because they can't afford it -- not because they don't want it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:44 pm |
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Mal wrote: U ntil they do. Virginia is blue.
a poet and didn't know it! ![[grin]](/forums/themes/default/grinning-smiley-007.gif)
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The Engine
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:51 pm |
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loxy3 wrote: Mal wrote: U ntil they do. Virginia is blue.
a poet and didn't know it!
Who the heck made our color red anyway? The commie Democrats should be red and we should be blue! 
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:03 pm |
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Mal wrote: It never stops with you. You continue your supefulous attacks on your president. Va is a blue state along with NC. You seem to think just because you hate Obama the rest of us should. You have offered no solutions just endless inane articles, postings and threads denigrating a man who has re-written American politics.
Explain exactly how he re-wrote American politics?
Here is what he did. He made great speeches, light on details, and heavy on rhetoric. He managed to fool enough of the American people to get himself elected.
The good thing is that it won't happen again. It's painfully obvious in his first 9 months that the President of the United States doesn't have the luxury of hiding behind the rhetoric and grand promises. When actual decision are made the people start to see just how few clothes the emperor has on.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:29 pm |
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Yep. Got that ol' pendulum flung as far as you could to the left.
Great. Nice work.
Now we all have to watch our heads and arses as that bad dad barrels back to the right.
Silly f*cking rabbits...when will you learn?
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:42 pm |
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The Engine wrote: loxy3 wrote: Mal wrote: U ntil they do. Virginia is blue.
a poet and didn't know it!
Who the heck made our color red anyway? The commie Democrats should be red and we should be blue!
yeah, I've wondered that as well. lol
and I was thinking if he wins, hmmm, how would it go?
Virginia has said, now we are red.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 07:33 pm |
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loxy3 wrote: The Engine wrote: loxy3 wrote: Mal wrote: U ntil they do. Virginia is blue.
a poet and didn't know it!
Who the heck made our color red anyway? The commie Democrats should be red and we should be blue!
yeah, I've wondered that as well. lol
and I was thinking if he wins, hmmm, how would it go?
Virginia has said, now we are red.
I've wondered that for years too, because here the Libs are red, the Progressives are orange, and the right is blue. I actually read an explanation earlier this year, but don't now remember what it was.
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The Engine
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 08:14 pm |
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pseudoname wrote: loxy3 wrote: The Engine wrote: loxy3 wrote: Mal wrote: U ntil they do. Virginia is blue.
a poet and didn't know it!
Who the heck made our color red anyway? The commie Democrats should be red and we should be blue!
yeah, I've wondered that as well. lol
and I was thinking if he wins, hmmm, how would it go?
Virginia has said, now we are red.
I've wondered that for years too, because here the Libs are red, the Progressives are orange, and the right is blue. I actually read an explanation earlier this year, but don't now remember what it was.
Their colors will be black and blue for the next three years at least! 
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 08:44 pm |
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| The first vote I ever cast for President was in Virginia way back in 1992; I lived there for almost 8 years. Nothern Virginia is like a whole other state. Once you get past Fredericksburg heading north on I-95 you are officially out of the South and in Yankeeland.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 11:20 pm |
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commonsensical wrote: Mal wrote: It never stops with you. You continue your supefulous attacks on your president. Va is a blue state along with NC. You seem to think just because you hate Obama the rest of us should. You have offered no solutions just endless inane articles, postings and threads denigrating a man who has re-written American politics.
Explain exactly how he re-wrote American politics?
Here is what he did. He made great speeches, light on details, and heavy on rhetoric. He managed to fool enough of the American people to get himself elected.
The good thing is that it won't happen again. It's painfully obvious in his first 9 months that the President of the United States doesn't have the luxury of hiding behind the rhetoric and grand promises. When actual decision are made the people start to see just how few clothes the emperor has on.
I would be happy to explain. No African-American has ever been elected to the highest seat of power in this country's long history. I would say that is a major accomplishment. The speeches he made gave a country hope after 8 years of utter misery.
Please don't tell me you voted for Bush twice. A man who you elected without speeches. Obama has used thoughtfulness, diplomacy and vision in handling the enormous mess that the GOP left. He will be elected again on the simple fact that he's not Republican. He already received the Nobel Peace Prize for the same feat.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 11:39 pm |
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Mal wrote: commonsensical wrote: Mal wrote: It never stops with you. You continue your supefulous attacks on your president. Va is a blue state along with NC. You seem to think just because you hate Obama the rest of us should. You have offered no solutions just endless inane articles, postings and threads denigrating a man who has re-written American politics.
Explain exactly how he re-wrote American politics?
Here is what he did. He made great speeches, light on details, and heavy on rhetoric. He managed to fool enough of the American people to get himself elected.
The good thing is that it won't happen again. It's painfully obvious in his first 9 months that the President of the United States doesn't have the luxury of hiding behind the rhetoric and grand promises. When actual decision are made the people start to see just how few clothes the emperor has on.
I would be happy to explain. No African-American has ever been elected to the highest seat of power in this country's long history. I would say that is a major accomplishment. The speeches he made gave a country hope after 8 years of utter misery.
Please don't tell me you voted for Bush twice. A man who you elected without speeches. Obama has used thoughtfulness, diplomacy and vision in handling the enormous mess that the GOP left. He will be elected again on the simple fact that he's not Republican. He already received the Nobel Peace Prize for the same feat.
We are all happy the country has all but moved beyond race. That is certainly an accomplishment. And yes many were moved by Obama's well scripted speeches but that's were it all ends. His Nobel Prize was a complete joke and his administration has been one ongoing disaster. Besides college and being a junior Senator he is woefully unprepared to be president POTUS. I know at least a dozen people more qualified than Obama. He has us on a direct path towards bankruptcy, he knows nothing about economics, he has surrounded himself with idiots, and hasn't a clue when it comes to foreign policy. He is quickly becoming the same old crap we expect from our elected officials, stupid, corrupt and a very good liar. I can't imagine how anyone who voted for Obama isn't extremely disappointed.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 11:46 pm |
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jerrie wrote: Virginia changes governors every two years, and they work for citizens of the state, not the White House, or the RNC . Where Virginia has its power is in the senate. I hope you don't think the outcome of this state governors race will be a reflection of the upcoming congressional mid-terms?
Because it won't...![[allamerican]](/forums/themes/default/allamerican.gif)
Huh? No.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 12:25 am |
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The Engine wrote: Who the heck made our color red anyway?
It may have been Russert with his whiteboard election night 2000..........
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 12:57 am |
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PATruth wrote: We are all happy the country has all but moved beyond race. That is certainly an accomplishment.
PAT, I have to disagree. The Democrats and the Left have clearly not moved beyond race. If anything they have made it even more divisive than ever by playing the race card non-stop against anyone and everyone who opposes the President. It is really quite disgusting and an ironic step backwards when Obama's election should have been a huge step forward in race relations.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 01:33 am |
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| You guys are so desparate. Here's a clue. Once is an event, twice is an accorance over three is a trend.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 04:57 am |
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Mal wrote: commonsensical wrote: Mal wrote: It never stops with you. You continue your supefulous attacks on your president. Va is a blue state along with NC. You seem to think just because you hate Obama the rest of us should. You have offered no solutions just endless inane articles, postings and threads denigrating a man who has re-written American politics.
Explain exactly how he re-wrote American politics?
Here is what he did. He made great speeches, light on details, and heavy on rhetoric. He managed to fool enough of the American people to get himself elected.
The good thing is that it won't happen again. It's painfully obvious in his first 9 months that the President of the United States doesn't have the luxury of hiding behind the rhetoric and grand promises. When actual decision are made the people start to see just how few clothes the emperor has on.
I would be happy to explain. No African-American has ever been elected to the highest seat of power in this country's long history. I would say that is a major accomplishment. The speeches he made gave a country hope after 8 years of utter misery.
Please don't tell me you voted for Bush twice. A man who you elected without speeches. Obama has used thoughtfulness, diplomacy and vision in handling the enormous mess that the GOP left. He will be elected again on the simple fact that he's not Republican. He already received the Nobel Peace Prize for the same feat.
How did he re-write American politics by simply being a black guy? I thought it wasn't about race?
All politicians give good speeches, they have very talented speechwriters who tell them what to say. When Obama is reading a speech he's as good as it gets but when he has to think on his feet and speak off the cuff he is a joke. His speeches gave people hope that he might change politics. He definitely made that promise. However, his actions since being elected haven't even come close. He has followed the same script of every other politician before him. Make big promises to get elected and then reward your money men once you're in office.
His thoughtfulness is exhibited in him saying what people want to hear, not necessarily the truth of the matter. His diplomacy is more akin to bending over and grabbing his ankles. His vision is leading him to a quick descruction of our economy and standing in the world.
The best part of it all is that you hit the nail on the head. The only reason he got elected the first time is because he wasn't the Republican. He rode a wave of discontent into office. It certainly wasn't a result of any of his accomplishments.
You sound genuinely proud that he won the nobel peace prize. Well here's more fuel for your fire...did you know that he is the favorite for the heismann this year because he watched a football game the other day? He was also given an oscar because he attended a movie last week. The man is simply amazing!!!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 04:58 am |
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Emaus_40 wrote: PATruth wrote: We are all happy the country has all but moved beyond race. That is certainly an accomplishment.
PAT, I have to disagree. The Democrats and the Left have clearly not moved beyond race. If anything they have made it even more divisive than ever by playing the race card non-stop against anyone and everyone who opposes the President. It is really quite disgusting and an ironic step backwards when Obama's election should have been a huge step forward in race relations.
Now if we could just get those white Cambridge cops to not act stupidly!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:29 am |
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It isn't too late for Obama to turn some things around.
1. Why not put the issue of his citizenship to rest once and for all by producing a real birth certificate not a certificate of live birth. This should make several thousand people be more at ease.
2. Maybe it's just a mystery to me, but how did he end up at Harvard Law School, one of the most prestigious law schools in the world. I would like the know how he got that far and on whose dime. Because a lot of people think his free ride came as a citizen of Kenya.
3. He should March up to Harry's closed door - open it and ask politely that it remain open.
4. He should be honest about the public option and how it will truly effect those who already have insurance and the elderly.
5. He should recognize that hanging out with people like Bill Ayers or the ugly brothers from ACORN isn't such a hot idea. He should also get out of SEIU's bed, they will screw him royally in the end when their members get a clue.
6. He should reduce his number of Czars and find some who don't have radical pasts.
7. He should make a decision about Afghanistan.
8. He should quit being a politician and start becoming a leader.
9. He has the power to tell Soro's no, but does he have the guts?
There are many broken promises he could still turn around, but frankly I don't think he wants to or can. He will therefore reap what he sows.
I think he is a dangerous destructive person and we are just not going to stand by while he destroys this country. Sooner or later something big is going to blow. Maybe what's big are the up and coming elections.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:45 am |
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Mal wrote: You guys are so desparate. Here's a clue. Once is an event, twice is an accorance over three is a trend.
They're disgruntled
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:52 am |
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cygonaut wrote: Mal wrote: You guys are so desparate. Here's a clue. Once is an event, twice is an accorance over three is a trend.
They're disgruntled
We will gnaw on your skulls........
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