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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:18 pm |
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Monorprise wrote: TR1985 wrote: The Tea Party is in it for the long haul of burning down the GOP. It plans on challenging two Republican state representatives in my county alone.
The Corruption in the GOP and the DNC must be over turned and removed.
Ahahahahaha......
oh... that's a good one!
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oleman
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:23 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: Republican Dede Scozzafava endorsed her former Democratic opponent Sunday in the race for an upstate New York congressional seat, shaking up the contest for the second day in a row after exiting the race Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
Just because a person has a R following their name does not make them a Republician. She was a far far left Republician......Lebberman is more Republician than she was.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:26 pm |
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TR1985 wrote: The Tea Party is in it for the long haul of burning down the GOP. It plans on challenging two Republican state representatives in my county alone.
and the rabid lib wing of the left. They will take this country back,,,,,,,,seeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaa
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belvedere
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:34 pm |
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oleman wrote: George Aligator wrote: Republican Dede Scozzafava endorsed her former Democratic opponent Sunday in the race for an upstate New York congressional seat, shaking up the contest for the second day in a row after exiting the race Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
Just because a person has a R following their name does not make them a Republician. She was a far far left Republician......Lebberman is more Republician than she was. Keep on pushing that "purity" angle and shrinking your base. It's fun watching the Repubs turn into a regional party
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oleman
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:37 pm |
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belvedere wrote: oleman wrote: George Aligator wrote: Republican Dede Scozzafava endorsed her former Democratic opponent Sunday in the race for an upstate New York congressional seat, shaking up the contest for the second day in a row after exiting the race Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
Just because a person has a R following their name does not make them a Republician. She was a far far left Republician......Lebberman is more Republician than she was. Keep on pushing that "purity" angle and shrinking your base. It's fun watching the Repubs turn into a regional party
Having principals is not always popular, but is always right.
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JuiceHead
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:44 pm |
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We see their commercials here in upstate NY. They're pretty funny. Hoffman's were saying that Bill Ownes is a "liberal lawyer for tax cheats" a couple weeks ago. Musta got in trouble for such inflammatory speculation and unfounded BS, because he now just says Owens is a "liberal lawyer."
The other funny ad from Hoffman says he's "not a politician" (Though he is running for political office, making him a ...what?), says he's a "financial expert" (he's an accountant!) and that he's a "businessman" (LLC'd himself as an "accounting firm." Kinda like a doctor or lawyer who is in practice for himself is a "businessman" I guess.)
And he just looks like such a goof! His own ads display the geekiest picture of him imaginable!
I'm looking forward to election day tomorrow mostly so I don't have to see these ads anymore!
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TR1985
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 09:51 pm |
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lightoftruth wrote: TR1985 wrote: The Tea Party is in it for the long haul of burning down the GOP. It plans on challenging two Republican state representatives in my county alone.
and the rabid lib wing of the left. They will take this country back,,,,,,,,seeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaa This country needs to move forward, not backward. The only thing the tea party offers is a recipe for this nation to be eclipsed by China.
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belvedere
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 10:01 pm |
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oleman wrote: belvedere wrote: oleman wrote: George Aligator wrote: Republican Dede Scozzafava endorsed her former Democratic opponent Sunday in the race for an upstate New York congressional seat, shaking up the contest for the second day in a row after exiting the race Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
Just because a person has a R following their name does not make them a Republician. She was a far far left Republician......Lebberman is more Republician than she was. Keep on pushing that "purity" angle and shrinking your base. It's fun watching the Repubs turn into a regional party
Having principals is not always popular, but is always right.
Lemme help you get up on your cross there, it's difficult to crucify yourself like that.
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George Aligator
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 10:03 pm |
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I might be helpful if the GOP wins the NY race and governor races in NH and VA. This will place the Birthers, the Baggies and the Death Panel Loons in firm control of the GOP for the 2010 elections. Elections can be useful things. The ancient cry of the right, "a choice, not an echo," is an expression of that utility.
If the GOP goes into battle under the flag of the right, it will settle the internal struggle should the results at the polls be clear. One way or another, the two-party system will be back in operation in time for 2012.
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JuiceHead
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 10:13 pm |
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Here's another Doug Hoffman gem: In the first ten seconds of his ad he says "...and, he's Pro-Life."
Look, folks, we've got some serious problems to solve here. I don't give a flying f*ck about his arcane little hard-right religious and moral views are, we need some serious people in Washington who are going there to govern!
I have a suggestion for Doug Hoffman: If he doesn't approve of abortions, then he should not have one. Problems solved. But stop making rules for others that don't affect your life in any way.
Oh, and then the ad gets even funnier: five seconds after that really important stand, he goes on to say he's an NRA supporter.
Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
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Emaus_40
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 10:19 pm |
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JuiceHead wrote: Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
No.
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belvedere
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 10:35 pm |
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Emaus_40 wrote: JuiceHead wrote: Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
No. Life is only sacred while in the womb, amirite?
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UnamusedMother
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 12:36 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: I might be helpful if the GOP wins the NY race and governor races in NH and VA. This will place the Birthers, the Baggies and the Death Panel Loons in firm control of the GOP for the 2010 elections. Elections can be useful things. The ancient cry of the right, "a choice, not an echo," is an expression of that utility.
If the GOP goes into battle under the flag of the right, it will settle the internal struggle should the results at the polls be clear. One way or another, the two-party system will be back in operation in time for 2012.
You guys are completely missing a very important aspect of this whole "shifting" picture.
Conservatives (the people you're labeling as birthers, baggies (?) and death panel loons - which is inaccurate and irrelevant to the topic, btw) aren't trying to control the GOP. Watch closely. Conservatives are dismissing the GOP. If Hoffman wins that race - the GOP lost. And that's what conservatives want to happen.
Of the people involved in the real "change" going on - nobody is trying to take over the GOP. Nobody wants the GOP or what it's become. Nobody wants the Dems. What you're seeing is the effect of Americans who are done with being BS'd, done with being patronized, done with corrupt representation - regardless of party affiliation. And it's not only conservatives. It just happens to be conservatives who are more obviously stepping up and holding their old party to the fire.
~UM
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 02:31 pm |
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Emaus_40 wrote: JuiceHead wrote: Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
No.
Guns do not kill, only stupid people with guns do.
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UnamusedMother
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:23 pm |
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oleman wrote: Emaus_40 wrote: JuiceHead wrote: Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
No.
Guns do not kill, only stupid people with guns do.
Don't even fall into that trap, ole. Smart people with guns kill, too.
The contradiction they're trying to paint isn't really there.
It's a pretty simple concept. Protect the innocent. Whether that means by protesting the murder of unborn life or defending the life of someone already born (with a gun or whatever means necessary) - there is no conflict.
Being pro-life does not require that you protect or defend the lives of useless criminals who thrive on assaulting and/or murdering innocents.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:44 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: I might be helpful if the GOP wins the NY race and governor races in NH and VA. This will place the Birthers, the Baggies and the Death Panel Loons in firm control of the GOP for the 2010 elections. Elections can be useful things. The ancient cry of the right, "a choice, not an echo," is an expression of that utility.
If the GOP goes into battle under the flag of the right, it will settle the internal struggle should the results at the polls be clear. One way or another, the two-party system will be back in operation in time for 2012.
This is true. The best thing that can happen for the Democratic Party is for Hoffman to win NY-23. If he does, we can look forward to 3 years of the Republican Party attempting to "purify" itself into further obscurity.
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katoblue
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:46 pm |
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she obviously was not a true conservative republican to begin with.. for no true conservative would do what she did.. and that's what you get with a moderate-to-liberal Republican 
she is more liberal then republican.. it's good she was forced out.. good riddance to her..
the liberals hijacked the dem party back in the 70's and they have been trying to hijack the Republican party too over the years.. and she is a liberal that tried and failed to hijack this party... but it is obvious Conservatives and republicans are waking up to this and pushing the liberal republicans out.. and rightly so..
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:35 pm |
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JuiceHead wrote:
Pro-life, pro-gun. Does anybody else here see any contradiction?
No, I don't actually, even though I tend to be rather pro-choice. Here's what you're missing:
'Pro-gun' doesn't mean you're pro killing people, quite the opposite. The freedom of individuals to own guns is integral to any free society, arguably the most important element of one. Guns in the hands of the masses allowed for the toppling of kings and monarchs, the American Revolution, and all the proceeding revolutions in science and technology. It is the most basic element of keeping government power at bay, and any nation that ever fell into fascist rule was first required to ensure that those who would be oppressed would not have guns to defend themselves with.
Quite simply: The people with the guns are the ones who get to make the rules.
Are guns dangerous? Of course, and many who are against the horrible things that happen with guns have good intentions. But ultimately, if they are evoking that moral outrage in the name of Government oppression, then they are tragically misguided.
As for abortion:
Like I said, I'm mostly pro-choice. In fact, I always believe if giving people a choice, whenever possible. I can't, however, tell you that abortion is an easy issue. I actually think it's one of the most difficult we have.
I am for legalizing drugs, prostitution, gambling...basically if it's your body and your life then no one has the right to tell you what to to do with it, as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others. But when does an infant get its rights? I have trouble with "at birth", because chance somewhat dictates when birth actually occurs, and a fetus can survive on its own well before 9 months. 'At viability' is a better answer, I think, though it's still very difficult to draw a line at any specific time and say, "we've definitely got that right", isn't it?
Also, you must take into account the humans evolved so that much of the development process that is in utero with other animals is not with us. Many animals are just being born at a developmental stage equivalent to a 3-year-old human child. Do you think it should be OK to kill, or abort a human child up until three years old?
So, for us to have a law that says, "before birth, do whatever you want, it's all perfectly OK under any circumstance!", but then, "after 9 months it's a horrible crime anyone who does it should be locked up for years and years!" - there is something deeply flawed with that law. I don't have a perfect answer, and I don't think anyone else does either, but something like the 'pro-life' movement for Roe vs. Wade to be overturned is something I've actually come to support, even though I would probably vote for my individual State to be pro-choice in many cases.
So, in conclusion: No, there's actually not a contradiction in saying you're 'pro-life, pro-gun'.Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:37 pm by Virtuoso80
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dem4life
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:42 pm |
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NY-23: [UPDATE] Hoffman Accuses Democrats of ‘Stealing the Election’
The campaign gave reporters the name and phone number of Jeremy Kain, the volunteer who claimed to have his tires slashed, but asked to confirm whether he was accusing the Democrats of supressing the vote, Hoffman started to backtrack: ‘We’ve called in the police and the police will be investigating.”
Anton Troianovski of the Wall Street Journal followed up with the Plattsburgh police on this, and was told that the volunteer actually damaged his tire on a broken bottle.
Reminds me of this...
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dem4life
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:36 am |
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Faux News Blatantly Lies For 2 Days About Why Scozzafava Withdrew, Then Has To Admit The Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrzlM-uZrrs
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