 |
| Author | Post |
|---|
robertr2000
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:14 pm |
|
oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: commonsensical wrote: Well said.
Just ignore the usual idiots who reply with their pacifist fantasies. I don't know who said it but it was once said that...."If you want peace right now you can have it...Surrender!"
Peace through strength. You don't have to actually beat the living crap out of people. Just knowing that you can and will is enough to stop them from starting something.
So you are saying that the only way America can protect it's sovereignty is to spend more then the rest of the world on weapons combined?
And that if one penny less is spent that America is doomed to being conquered?
And exactly who could conquer America right now? Even if 2/3 of the present military expenditure was spent - what 3 countries combined could conquer America?
Being the worlds only super power has a cost. I hope the majority of my taxes go to the military.
You do realize that the kind of spending level you want is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
If you are prepared to give up Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security - you could have your wish.
What's a few dozen million dieing poor people and starving, homeless seniors (many of whom are veterens) in comparison with being able to wear t-shirts that read - 'America is the only world superpower'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
USSR was broke by socializm. Freedom is kept via strength not weakness.
The Free World is broke right now.
|
oleman
Member
| Joined: | Wed Jun 6th, 2007 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 4806 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:21 pm |
|
robertr2000 wrote: oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: commonsensical wrote: Well said.
Just ignore the usual idiots who reply with their pacifist fantasies. I don't know who said it but it was once said that...."If you want peace right now you can have it...Surrender!"
Peace through strength. You don't have to actually beat the living crap out of people. Just knowing that you can and will is enough to stop them from starting something.
So you are saying that the only way America can protect it's sovereignty is to spend more then the rest of the world on weapons combined?
And that if one penny less is spent that America is doomed to being conquered?
And exactly who could conquer America right now? Even if 2/3 of the present military expenditure was spent - what 3 countries combined could conquer America?
Being the worlds only super power has a cost. I hope the majority of my taxes go to the military.
You do realize that the kind of spending level you want is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
If you are prepared to give up Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security - you could have your wish.
What's a few dozen million dieing poor people and starving, homeless seniors (many of whom are veterens) in comparison with being able to wear t-shirts that read - 'America is the only world superpower'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
USSR was broke by socializm. Freedom is kept via strength not weakness.
The Free World is broke right now.
This too shall pass.
|
ATTAburnsinHELL
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:24 pm |
|
Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Any ship longer than 20ft can be sunk in two minutes by an iranian in a speedboat carrying cheap ship-to-ship missles that can fire them from under the horizon
New technology makes our entire fleet obsolete dinosaurs
When we sent our ships into the gulf off the coast of iran, the admirals freaked when Iranian speedboats popped up out of nowhere and taunted the slow moving fat targets
The new missles are shoulder fired, skim the top of the waves until the last minute when they pop up skyward and come straight down on a ship- absolutely defenseless. One is enough to blow a hole right through the ship. Five and the ship would disappear from sight
Obsolete and useless
Wrong again Oh Four Letter phony! YOU are Obsolete and Useless!
And only YOU would FREAK if you knew anything about what you claim to know above. Which isn't much since you are so FAR behind reality.
Sorry to bust your seagoing bubble Salty but your beloved blue Water fleet is as useless as a mounted calvary charge
The Chinese military has developed a ballistic missile, Dong Feng 21, specifically designed to kill US aircraft carriers: “Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Naval Institute talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, satellite guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased.” You know why that’s an understatement? Because of a short little sentence I found farther on in the article—and before you read that sentence, I want all you trusting Pentagon groupies to promise me that you’ll think hard about what it implies. Here’s the sentence: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.” That’s right: no defense at all. The truth is that they have very feeble defenses against any attack with anything more modern than cannon. I’ve argued before no carrier group would survive a saturation attack by huge numbers of low-value attackers, whether they’re Persians in Cessnas and cigar boats or mass-produced Chinese cruise missiles. But at least you could look at the missile tubes and Phalanx gatlings and pretend that you were safe. But there is no defense, none at all, against something as obvious as a ballistic missile.
read the whole article
http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/
No bubbles to burst here. Once again...even with your crummy link above. You bring to us more proof that You really DO NOT KNOW, what you DON'T KNOW!
Nothing further that I feel needs to be said on this topic. Go right ahead and believe whatever sources you seem to place so much faith in. I stand by the actual information I have from neighbors, and even relatives who are still wearing the uniform. Try again.
OK loudmouth, instead of pumping bilge here, how about you for once backing up what you claim and how I am wrong, because if you don't you'll be exposed as a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need to back up anything for you. From many of my previous posts here. You have always declared, and accused me of being a Liar. Nothing new there, no matter what I tell you on this topic will never be enough to make you happy. Finally. Your source IS NOT a reputable one by anyone's stretch of any imagination...unless, as is your case...it says everything you WANT to hear, and read to substantiate your claims.
If you think everything I've said is bilge here. So be it. That still will not make everything you insist I should agree with anymore true...merely because you use name calling to impress others like you, who are equally as Uninformed, and Misinformed based on your source which...is obviously, and admittedly partisan.
If you don't like what I've said. There is nothing I can do to change it. So. I stand by my previous words that...YOU don't know, What you don't know, but claim to be the sole authority on here. Stay that way. Believe whatever you like. I have no need to bring any falsehoods, or fabrications into this thread knowing how...as you always do. You will continue to call me a Liar.
CLUCK, CLUCK, CLUCK
I knew it- big mouth, nothing to back it up
Thats all you are around here, isn't it?
Quick to throw stupid insults but when the rubber meets the road you're a yellow-backed egg layer
|
McRocket
Member
| Joined: | Sun Feb 8th, 2009 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 2950 |
| Status: |
Online
|
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:11 pm |
|
oleman wrote:
USSR was broke by socializm. Freedom is kept via strength not weakness.
No, USSR went broke when it did because their economy could not sustain their military budget.
|
robertr2000
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:22 pm |
|
oleman wrote: robertr2000 wrote: oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: oleman wrote: McRocket wrote: commonsensical wrote: Well said.
Just ignore the usual idiots who reply with their pacifist fantasies. I don't know who said it but it was once said that...."If you want peace right now you can have it...Surrender!"
Peace through strength. You don't have to actually beat the living crap out of people. Just knowing that you can and will is enough to stop them from starting something.
So you are saying that the only way America can protect it's sovereignty is to spend more then the rest of the world on weapons combined?
And that if one penny less is spent that America is doomed to being conquered?
And exactly who could conquer America right now? Even if 2/3 of the present military expenditure was spent - what 3 countries combined could conquer America?
Being the worlds only super power has a cost. I hope the majority of my taxes go to the military.
You do realize that the kind of spending level you want is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
If you are prepared to give up Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security - you could have your wish.
What's a few dozen million dieing poor people and starving, homeless seniors (many of whom are veterens) in comparison with being able to wear t-shirts that read - 'America is the only world superpower'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
USSR was broke by socializm. Freedom is kept via strength not weakness.
The Free World is broke right now.
This too shall pass.
Really.... How? A new Currency? We're Broke!
It's time to start forgiving debt in big ways. ![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif) 
|
robertr2000
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:27 pm |
|
ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Any ship longer than 20ft can be sunk in two minutes by an iranian in a speedboat carrying cheap ship-to-ship missles that can fire them from under the horizon
New technology makes our entire fleet obsolete dinosaurs
When we sent our ships into the gulf off the coast of iran, the admirals freaked when Iranian speedboats popped up out of nowhere and taunted the slow moving fat targets
The new missles are shoulder fired, skim the top of the waves until the last minute when they pop up skyward and come straight down on a ship- absolutely defenseless. One is enough to blow a hole right through the ship. Five and the ship would disappear from sight
Obsolete and useless
Wrong again Oh Four Letter phony! YOU are Obsolete and Useless!
And only YOU would FREAK if you knew anything about what you claim to know above. Which isn't much since you are so FAR behind reality.
Sorry to bust your seagoing bubble Salty but your beloved blue Water fleet is as useless as a mounted calvary charge
The Chinese military has developed a ballistic missile, Dong Feng 21, specifically designed to kill US aircraft carriers: “Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Naval Institute talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, satellite guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased.” You know why that’s an understatement? Because of a short little sentence I found farther on in the article—and before you read that sentence, I want all you trusting Pentagon groupies to promise me that you’ll think hard about what it implies. Here’s the sentence: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.” That’s right: no defense at all. The truth is that they have very feeble defenses against any attack with anything more modern than cannon. I’ve argued before no carrier group would survive a saturation attack by huge numbers of low-value attackers, whether they’re Persians in Cessnas and cigar boats or mass-produced Chinese cruise missiles. But at least you could look at the missile tubes and Phalanx gatlings and pretend that you were safe. But there is no defense, none at all, against something as obvious as a ballistic missile.
read the whole article
http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/
From article:
"The Chinese military has developed a ballistic missile, Dong Feng 21, specifically designed to kill US aircraft carriers: “Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Naval Institute talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, satellite guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased.”
Ya, that is a problem. On the flip side, I'm sure we (US) either have or are working on the same thing.
|
Oldsalt
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:47 pm |
|
ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Oldsalt wrote: ATTAburnsinHELL wrote: Any ship longer than 20ft can be sunk in two minutes by an iranian in a speedboat carrying cheap ship-to-ship missles that can fire them from under the horizon
New technology makes our entire fleet obsolete dinosaurs
When we sent our ships into the gulf off the coast of iran, the admirals freaked when Iranian speedboats popped up out of nowhere and taunted the slow moving fat targets
The new missles are shoulder fired, skim the top of the waves until the last minute when they pop up skyward and come straight down on a ship- absolutely defenseless. One is enough to blow a hole right through the ship. Five and the ship would disappear from sight
Obsolete and useless
Wrong again Oh Four Letter phony! YOU are Obsolete and Useless!
And only YOU would FREAK if you knew anything about what you claim to know above. Which isn't much since you are so FAR behind reality.
Sorry to bust your seagoing bubble Salty but your beloved blue Water fleet is as useless as a mounted calvary charge
The Chinese military has developed a ballistic missile, Dong Feng 21, specifically designed to kill US aircraft carriers: “Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Naval Institute talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, satellite guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased.” You know why that’s an understatement? Because of a short little sentence I found farther on in the article—and before you read that sentence, I want all you trusting Pentagon groupies to promise me that you’ll think hard about what it implies. Here’s the sentence: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.” That’s right: no defense at all. The truth is that they have very feeble defenses against any attack with anything more modern than cannon. I’ve argued before no carrier group would survive a saturation attack by huge numbers of low-value attackers, whether they’re Persians in Cessnas and cigar boats or mass-produced Chinese cruise missiles. But at least you could look at the missile tubes and Phalanx gatlings and pretend that you were safe. But there is no defense, none at all, against something as obvious as a ballistic missile.
read the whole article
http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/
No bubbles to burst here. Once again...even with your crummy link above. You bring to us more proof that You really DO NOT KNOW, what you DON'T KNOW!
Nothing further that I feel needs to be said on this topic. Go right ahead and believe whatever sources you seem to place so much faith in. I stand by the actual information I have from neighbors, and even relatives who are still wearing the uniform. Try again.
OK loudmouth, instead of pumping bilge here, how about you for once backing up what you claim and how I am wrong, because if you don't you'll be exposed as a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need to back up anything for you. From many of my previous posts here. You have always declared, and accused me of being a Liar. Nothing new there, no matter what I tell you on this topic will never be enough to make you happy. Finally. Your source IS NOT a reputable one by anyone's stretch of any imagination...unless, as is your case...it says everything you WANT to hear, and read to substantiate your claims.
If you think everything I've said is bilge here. So be it. That still will not make everything you insist I should agree with anymore true...merely because you use name calling to impress others like you, who are equally as Uninformed, and Misinformed based on your source which...is obviously, and admittedly partisan.
If you don't like what I've said. There is nothing I can do to change it. So. I stand by my previous words that...YOU don't know, What you don't know, but claim to be the sole authority on here. Stay that way. Believe whatever you like. I have no need to bring any falsehoods, or fabrications into this thread knowing how...as you always do. You will continue to call me a Liar.
CLUCK, CLUCK, CLUCK
I knew it- big mouth, nothing to back it up
Thats all you are around here, isn't it?
Quick to throw stupid insults but when the rubber meets the road you're a yellow-backed egg layer
The only stupid insults (as you call them) are those you created for us, and use to convince yourself how impressive you are to others who use those same stupid insults to make them feel good...for being just like you.
You use the chicken description very well, as with your CLUCKING. But there's no reason to show us how easy it is to IMPERSONATE yourself, and your barnyard language.
|
wilmywood8455
Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:22 pm |
|
^^^ Gotta love the 'I know you are, but what am I' response.
Sooooo effective.![[fallingdown]](/forums/themes/default/laughing.gif)
|
Current time is 01:35 pm | Page:   1 2 3 4 5 |
|
|
|
|
