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Heresy
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 05:15 am |
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[urlhttp://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11/us-needs-hit-squads-manhunting-agency-spec-ops-report/#more-18844][/url]
CIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists. A recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA didn’t go far enough (.pdf). Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a “National Manhunting Agency” to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates and other enemies of the state.
America’s military, intelligence and law-enforcement agencies already devote thousands of people and billions of dollars to tracking down top terrorists and insurgents. But even the most successful of these efforts — like going after Iraqi militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — have been “ad hoc” efforts, with units cobbled together from different corners of the government. Report author and retired Lt. Col. George Crawford instead would like to see a permanent group with clear authority, training, doctrine and technology to go after these dangerous individuals. These “manhunting teams would be standing formations, trained to pursue their designated quarry relentlessly for as long as required to accomplish the mission,” he writes.
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Heresy
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 05:21 am |
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For those few posters here who have the cognitive functionality (it's a sign of intelligence) to remember the posting history of long-time participants on this forum, I bring you this story.
For years, I have been trying to tell you that that effective counter-terrorism doesn't involve rolling tanks through the streets of the middle-east. Apparently, the spec ops community agrees with me.
You want to catch terrorists? You put squads of specialists on them, not 18 year olds with machine guns and 14 weeks of training.
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Sheila Tapani
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 05:05 pm |
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| I think Bush and Cheney knew this but they wanted the resources of Central Asia.
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Heresy
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 05:14 pm |
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| They had the PNAC vision to experiment with. Doing the smart thing was not on their agenda.
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George Aligator
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 11:42 pm |
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| We've had these hit squads on the payroll for years. Who do you think killed the Kennedys?
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 12:10 am |
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One wonders how many hit squads it would take to kill 100,000 terrorists?????
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BushFramedRogerRabbit
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 12:28 am |
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lightoftruth wrote: One wonders how many hit squads it would take to kill 100,000 terrorists?????
Or how many "overseas contingency operations" it would take to create them.
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andytown
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 01:52 am |
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HERESY
DEPENDING ON THE SO CALLED TERRORISTS
BUT YOUR AWAY OF THE MARK ,MY FRIEND,WE IRISH PROVED IT, AND IN 1920 THESE HIT SQUADS SENT FROM ENGLAND WERE ELIMINATED VERY QUICKLY
MICHAEL COLLINS--THE GREATEST guerrilla TACTIAN EVER.PROVED THIS
INDEED LLOYD GEORGE PUT A BOUNTY OF 10,000 STG ON HIS HEAD
THERE WERE NO TAKERS
COLLINS REALISED YOU BEAT THEM WITH BETTER INTELLIGENCE THAN THEY HAVE
GEORGE SENT THE TOP 12 OF HIS HIT MEN OF MI6 ON A SATURDAY BOAT ,LANDED AT DUBLIN--CONDUCTED IN THE HIGHEST SECRECY
BY 2 AM SUN ALL 12 WERE DEAD--BY THE IRISH SQUAD
COLLINS HAD MORE SPIES IN DUBLIN CASTLE THAN THERE WERE FLIES
INDEED DUBLIN CASTLE WAS LIKE THE GREEN ZONE IN IRAQ
NO BRIT EVER LEFT ITS SAFETY---AND 7 COMMITTED SUICIDE WITHIN ITS WALLS
THIS ENDED BRITISH RULE,,GEORGE SENT ONE MAN CALLED "COPE" TO MAKE CONTACT WITH COLLINS
THIS COPE WAS A VERY BRAVE MAN--BUT HE DID EVENTUALLY GET TO MEET COLLINS TO DISCUSS TRUCE TERMS
COLLINS WENT TO 10 DOWNING ST ---REST IS HISTORY
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Sheila Tapani
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:30 am |
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lightoftruth wrote:
One wonders how many hit squads it would take to kill 100,000 terrorists?????
Pay some afghans to hunt them down, almost everyone of them has a weapon anyway.
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George Aligator
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:34 pm |
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Sheila Tapani wrote: lightoftruth wrote:
One wonders how many hit squads it would take to kill 100,000 terrorists?????
Pay some afghans to hunt them down, almost everyone of them has a weapon anyway.
The Pentagon estimates there are fewer than 100 al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The local commander says he needs 100,000 US troops to defeat them. At $500,000 per soldier per year it might be cheaper to pay the terrorists to commit suicide.
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Sheila Tapani
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:42 pm |
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| Welcome in the Last Day Islands where terrorists are paid to do right thing.......
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The Engine
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:54 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: We've had these hit squads on the payroll for years. Who do you think killed the Kennedys?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:15 am |
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| The US has gone down this route before notably in Operation Phoneix in Vietnam. The problem is that such programs tend to get out of control over time and people who are not guilty of anything get killed. Or people get killed by accident. Its why assasination was made illegal from the late seventies until Bush made it legal again in the aftermath of 9/11.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:17 pm |
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Heresy wrote: [url]http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11/us-needs-hit-squads-manhunting-agency-spec-ops-report/#more-18844][/url]
CIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists. A recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA didn’t go far enough (.pdf). Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a “National Manhunting Agency” to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates and other enemies of the state.
America’s military, intelligence and law-enforcement agencies already devote thousands of people and billions of dollars to tracking down top terrorists and insurgents. But even the most successful of these efforts — like going after Iraqi militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — have been “ad hoc” efforts, with units cobbled together from different corners of the government. Report author and retired Lt. Col. George Crawford instead would like to see a permanent group with clear authority, training, doctrine and technology to go after these dangerous individuals. These “manhunting teams would be standing formations, trained to pursue their designated quarry relentlessly for as long as required to accomplish the mission,” he writes.
On the one hand, sounds like a grand idea. Terrorists disapeared in the middle of the night Soprano's Style would certainly negate any "martyrdom", and might even act as a deterent.
But I would be very concerned with the possible misuse of such a SpecOp unit.
I can imagine a Bush43 type of POTUS ordering the manhunters to remove someone like Ahmadinejad or Kim.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:19 pm |
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noetsi wrote: The US has gone down this route before notably in Operation Phoneix in Vietnam. The problem is that such programs tend to get out of control over time and people who are not guilty of anything get killed. Or people get killed by accident. Its why assasination was made illegal from the late seventies until Bush made it legal again in the aftermath of 9/11. I have no problem with carrying out assasinations against Al Qaida or any other terrorists. Let me be the first to say it.
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Heresy
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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I think that the possible abuses of this program are outweighed by the low-profile and low-collateral damage of it.
One or two mistaken assassinations is not as bad as tens of thousands of civilians who die as a result of mistargetted ordinance from conventional military units.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:27 pm |
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I will have to disagree. One or two mistakes bother me. The oops we killed the wrong man is not acceptable behavior in my opinion. Not that it would be just a few. One example of what we are talking about in the the 1973 attack by Israeli intelligence that killed a Norwegion waiter who happened to look like a Black September hit man. Another was the CIA throwing the poor german in a secret prison a few years ago because they got his name confused with another man.
Before advocating assasination I strongly suggest reading about Phoneix and other black ops run by the CIA and Army special forces in the fifties, sixties and seventies. We forgot how bad they were and how out of control they were or we would not be having this discussion.
Its part of the problem of not knowing anything about history in the US. We forget our mistakes. And why certain behavior was banned.
When you take the wraps of security services and say go get them bad things happen and it inevitiably expands. Who the enemy is becomes indistinct over time. The French paras used torture to defeat bombers in Oran in 1955. Three years later they used the same techniques to overthrow the Fourth Republic who in their eyes had become the enemy.
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andytown
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:39 pm |
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George
The Pentagon estimates there are fewer than 100 al Qaeda in Afghanistan
That may be the only truthful statement they have ever issued
A Good guerrilla force is not measured in numbers,indeed the larger the force the less successsful they will be.
Measured in intelligence,spirit, courage,and on ones personal initiative
Large forces leave The risk of touts higher,as is captures, if there are too many operatives
Each operative is well trained in 2 to 3 aspects--there is normally no more than 4/5 in an active service unit---but this can vary,depending on the operation. HOWEVER LARGE OPERATIONS ARE CONSIDERED TOO WASTEFUL
EACH AND EVERYONE IS HANDPICKED
Guerrilla volunteers seldom know the names,whereabouts,targeting, of more than these 4/5 others.
They most certainly do not know any other contact---one or two will contact them
Thats the limit of knowing---so torture is a useless waste of time,as only limited knowledge can be gained---TORTURE QUITE BLUNTLY IS REVENGE, A WAR CRIME,OF WORTHLESS KNOWLEDGE
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andytown
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:01 pm |
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I would add all the phantom NONSENSE of terrorists cells across the globe is BS
SIMPLY A STATE PLOY TO KEEP THE POPULATION IN CONTROL AND TO BRING IN OPPRESSIVE legislation,AND WHEN ONE COMPLAINS "YOU ARE TERMED A TRAITOR"
If a celled function was being used half of American cities would be under constant real or false, delusive attack with warnings given to some organisation ---like the Samaratians
real or false would bring cities to a halt---imagine that would be like in cities like-- NY-BOSTON, WASINGTON, Los Angeles--- ETC ETC ETC
sO ALL THIS bUSH CRAP OF WORLD WIDE TERRORISM IS NOTHING ELSE BUT F**KING
CRAP DESIGNED TO FRIGHTEN AND AS SAID BRING IN ANY POWERS INCL MARTIAL ORDER
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 08:20 am |
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TR1985 wrote:
noetsi wrote: The US has gone down this route before notably in Operation Phoneix in Vietnam. The problem is that such programs tend to get out of control over time and people who are not guilty of anything get killed. Or people get killed by accident. Its why assasination was made illegal from the late seventies until Bush made it legal again in the aftermath of 9/11. I have no problem with carrying out assasinations against Al Qaida or any other terrorists. Let me be the first to say it.
considering the fact that the U.S. kidnaped innocents i dont think this is such a bright idea.
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