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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:31 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: The Engine wrote: You seem to be a terrorist sympathizer.
What happened in Gaza City is about the use of massively disproportionate force in the midst of a large urban civilian population. Including weapons that are banned in such circumstances, like white phosphorus.
The Goldstone Report identifies war crimes by both sides. It doesn't unilaterally condemn only the Israelis. But that's not "good enough" for the Israeli cheerleaders. "Israel's government leaders can do no wrong."
BS.
I'll let you in on something. Not wanting state governments to act like war criminals doesn't make someone a "terrorist sympathizer".
You've clearly thrown your hat in with the jihadists. You're a trator.
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:35 pm |
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BushFramedRogerRabbit wrote: Actually Mystic...the use of White Phosphorus is NOT PROHIBITED if it is used as a Smoke screen or as an Illumination round. If it is strictly used as an anti-personnel weapon it is against the accords...
Moron.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5521925.ece
Your blatant prejudice cannot whitewash clear, documented facts.
You're the moron. White phosphorus is legal to use.
"The use of weapons which employ fire, such as tracer ammunition, flamethrowers, napalm and other incendiary agents, against targets requiring their use is not violative of international law."[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous#cite_note-http://www.globalsecurity.org.478-60][[/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
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WA Mozart
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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McRocket wrote: WA Mozart wrote: A fascinating leap of logic. 'They' were, must have been, all terrorists. They knowingly, and willingly, killed innocent civilians. The death toll of innocent civilians was staggering. All guilty. .... Churchill, Marshall, Harris, Patton, George VI, Montgomery, Roosevelt, McArthur, Bradley, Dowding, Brooke, de Gaulle, Mountbatten etc etc.....
All terrorists, every last one of em. ...according to your definition.
Mozart
No, according to your definition.
I said the firestorm bombing of cities.
Patton, George VI, Monty, McArthur, Bradley, de Gaulle and Mountbatten had absolutely nothing directly to do with the firestorms.
And of the others, only Harris (to my knowledge) had direct responsibility.
Throw in LeMay and that would be the two I would guess had the most and only direct responsibility for supervising the firebombing of civilians ona massive scale.
And btw, I consider the atomic bombings to have saved far more lives then they took and were probably not acts of terrorism. They undoubtedly shortened the war incredibly, saved millions of lives (mostly Japanese during the planed Allied invasion of Japan) and saved tens of thousands of Allied prisoners who the Japanese instructed were to be killed were the home islands ever invaded.
The firestorms didn't shorten the war to any significant extent (imo). They just killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
ooooh, ...my. Ach du meine Liebe. We need to slow down the tap dancing.
Let's start from the top, shall we? Here is what was said:
The day Israel started shelling civilian targets in Gaza last December/January was the day their leaders became terrorists to me.
In my opinion, they are no better then the terrorists they are trying to kill.
See the word "shelling?" The implication here being that 'shelling' civilian targets causes you to declare instigators of said shelling to be terrorists. Right? Look-up and read that again. Go ahead. We'll wait. Now. Patton, Monty, Bradley, de Gaulle and probably even Lord Mountbatten instigated 'shelling' of civilian areas. You betcha. No question. Do ya need me to prove it? Therefore, according to your definition, they are, ...no! ...they must be! ...terrorists. Yup. To bring this full circle, ...How very silly.
Mozart 
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:53 pm |
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The Engine wrote: You're the moron. White phosphorus is legal to use.
"The use of weapons which employ fire, such as tracer ammunition, flamethrowers, napalm and other incendiary agents, against targets requiring their use is not violative of international law."[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous#cite_note-]http://www.globalsecurity.org.478-60][[/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
Not against military-value targets in a heavily civilian environment when deployed by an air-delivery system.
See the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (1980):
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm
Article 2
Protection of civilians and civilian objects
- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
Btw... what's "trator"? Is that some kind of fancy prancing horse?
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:59 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: The Engine wrote: You're the moron. White phosphorus is legal to use.
"The use of weapons which employ fire, such as tracer ammunition, flamethrowers, napalm and other incendiary agents, against targets requiring their use is not violative of international law."[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous#cite_note-]http://www.globalsecurity.org.478-60][[/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
Not against military-value targets in a heavily civilian environment when deployed by an air-delivery system.
See the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (1980):
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm
Article 2
Protection of civilians and civilian objects
- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
Btw... what's "trator"? Is that some kind of fancy prancing horse?
The traitor is you, idiot. And I'm getting really sick and tired of you equating our military with terrorists. Go move to another country if you don't like it here. And dont let the door hit you where my dog should've bitten you.
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Heresy
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:44 pm |
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I guess it's safe to say the rational people have won the argument. The Engine has devolved into calling everyone who disagrees with him terrorists and traitors.
Hey Engine, it's not our military dropping white phosphorous on Gaza, it's the IDF.
Please stop regressing your arguments by trying to hide behind the nobility of the U.S. soldier. I was one once, and I resent your attempts to use them as a shield against your weak arguments.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:59 pm |
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The Engine wrote: The traitor is you, idiot. And I'm getting really sick and tired of you equating our military with terrorists. Go move to another country if you don't like it here. And dont let the door hit you where my dog should've bitten you.
Excuse me?
My people were here over 10 THOUSAND years before your disease-infested ancestors came over. You don't get to tell me to get out of MY nation. My grandfather served in the Army (WWI). My uncle in the Army (WWII, Korea, Vietnam). My father in the Navy (Korea). And I built systems for the DoD (Ft. Belvoir).
And that's after we were subjected to a Genocidal purge of our peoples from our ancestoral lands, and herded onto concentration camps called "reservations".
We Natives take great offense to challenges of our "patriotism". You might wanna ask Tsalagi about that.
My people, my family, have died and bled for this land more than you could ever hope to comprehend... you sanctimonious little man.
And we have long ago earned the right to speak the truth as we see it done in deeds.
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:06 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: The Engine wrote: The traitor is you, idiot. And I'm getting really sick and tired of you equating our military with terrorists. Go move to another country if you don't like it here. And dont let the door hit you where my dog should've bitten you.
Excuse me?
My people were here over 10 THOUSAND years before your disease-infested ancestors came over. You don't get to tell me to get out of MY nation. My grandfather served in the Army (WWI). My uncle in the Army (WWII, Korea, Vietnam). My father in the Navy (Korea). And I built systems for the DoD (Ft. Belvoir).
And that's after we were subjected to a Genocidal purge of our peoples from our ancestoral lands, and herded onto concentration camps called "reservations".
We Natives take great offense to challenges of our "patriotism". You might wanna ask Tsalagi about that.
My people, my family, have died and bled for this land more than you could ever hope to comprehend... you sanctimonious little man.
And we have long ago earned the right to speak the truth as we see it done in deeds.
Sorry, that's no excuse to betray your country, and the brave men and women who are putting their lives in harms way to protect your sorry hide.
You whine about your birthright with one side of your mouth while repeating the talking points of al Qaeda with the other. You make me sick.
Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:06 pm by The Engine
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:19 pm |
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The Engine wrote: Sorry, that's no excuse to betray your country, and the brave men and women who are putting their lives in harms way to protect your sorry hide.
You whine about your birthright with one side of your mouth while repeating the talking points of al Qaeda with the other. You make me sick.
So now... I'm "betraying my country"??? This should be rich.
I guess you're one of those "silky boys" whose mommy and daddy never ever told you that you did something wrong, and needed to fix it. Because that's exactly like what your "brand" of Patriotism sounds like. You must've been quite the high school cheerleader.
Sorry. I come from Old School Kick-Your-Ass-If-You-F-Up. We don't bother with catering to delicate flowers such as yourself. We get the job done. The Right Way. The First Time.
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:27 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: The Engine wrote: Sorry, that's no excuse to betray your country, and the brave men and women who are putting their lives in harms way to protect your sorry hide.
You whine about your birthright with one side of your mouth while repeating the talking points of al Qaeda with the other. You make me sick.
So now... I'm "betraying my country"??? This should be rich.
I guess you're one of those "silky boys" whose mommy and daddy never ever told you that you did something wrong, and needed to fix it. Because that's exactly like what your "brand" of Patriotism sounds like. You must've been quite the high school cheerleader.
Sorry. I come from Old School Kick-Your-Ass-If-You-F-Up. We don't bother with catering to delicate flowers such as yourself. We get the job done. The Right Way. The First Time.
You have no clue who I am or who my ancestors were. One thing is clear to me, from your words, you're a racist. You hate European Americans, apparently due to what you percieve as a wrong that occurred over 150 years ago. It's time to get over it.
First of all, most of my ancestors are German/Norwegian, who arived here after the Indian Wars were over.
Second of all, if you go back far enough, all kinds of ancestors did all kinds of bad things to eachother. Who cares about what happened 6 or 7 generations ago? To carry around hatred for events that happened that long ago is simply moronic.
And its no excuse to betray your country on a daily basis.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:10 pm |
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You still have not enlightened us all as to HOW I'm supposedly "betraying" the country.
And don't tell me to "get over it". Do you tell the Jews to "get over" the Holocaust? Coming from a German, that would be rich.
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:15 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: You still have not enlightened us all as to HOW I'm supposedly "betraying" the country.
And don't tell me to "get over it". Do you tell the Jews to "get over" the Holocaust? Coming from a German, that would be rich.
Your words are treason. You support the enemy. You repeat Jihadist talking points.
And, we left Germany before all that happened. I suppose that's my fault as well. ![[eyeroll]](/forums/themes/default/sarcasm.gif)
You're the racist, not I.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:24 pm |
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The Engine wrote: quantumystic wrote: You still have not enlightened us all as to HOW I'm supposedly "betraying" the country.
And don't tell me to "get over it". Do you tell the Jews to "get over" the Holocaust? Coming from a German, that would be rich.
Your words are treason. You support the enemy. You repeat Jihadist talking points.
And, we left Germany before all that happened. I suppose that's my fault as well.
You're the racist, not I.
Feel free to directly quote me (with a link) from anywhere.
Otherwise... Shut up.
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The Engine
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:47 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: The Engine wrote: quantumystic wrote: You still have not enlightened us all as to HOW I'm supposedly "betraying" the country.
And don't tell me to "get over it". Do you tell the Jews to "get over" the Holocaust? Coming from a German, that would be rich.
Your words are treason. You support the enemy. You repeat Jihadist talking points.
And, we left Germany before all that happened. I suppose that's my fault as well.
You're the racist, not I.
Feel free to directly quote me (with a link) from anywhere.
Otherwise... Shut up.
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You're going to seriously compare Hamas' use of glorified model rockets to Hitler's invasions of all of Europe?
Seriously???"
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ignorance is bliss
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:28 pm |
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Voted4Reagan wrote: ignorance is bliss wrote: andytown wrote: HERESY
SORRY TO CORRECT YOU
BUT WARS CAN START FROM MIS OR DIS INFORMATION
and the IRA came to a political settlement with the U.K.
the other way round---UK CAME TO THE IRA---ask MAGGIE OR BETTER STILL JOHN MAJOR
OH! DEBATING WITH IGGY---COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME
Iggy hasn't posted on this thread until..................now, Collins old chum.
The missus is going to be pissed with you when she finds out you've been down at the local pub all day, come home & thrown up all over the cat again.
I bet even the wee Leprechuans at the bottom of your garden are going to be rolling in mirth when they see her throw your drunken arse out the back door for the niooght. 
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:36 pm |
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stevecanuck wrote: ignorance is bliss wrote: andytown wrote: HERESY
SORRY TO CORRECT YOU
BUT WARS CAN START FROM MIS OR DIS INFORMATION
and the IRA came to a political settlement with the U.K.
the other way round---UK CAME TO THE IRA---ask MAGGIE OR BETTER STILL JOHN MAJOR
OH! DEBATING WITH IGGY---COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME
Iggy hasn't posted on this thread until..................now, Collins old chum.
The missus is going to be pissed with you when she finds out you've been down at the local pub all day, come home & thrown up all over the cat again.
I bet even the wee Leprechuans at the bottom of your garden are going to be rolling in mirth when they see her throw your drunken arse out the back door for the niooght.
If Andytown knows anything about hockey, he might be referring to me, not you. As you can see by my avatar, I'm a fan of the Calgary Flames, and our best player's nickname is IGGY (Jarome Iginla, who dispatched the Dallas Stars last night with 2 goals and an assist).
BTW, flying to Oz tomorrow to see new granddaughter......
Have a great trip Steve.
You know I am (sort off) a Calgary Flames fan too.
Saw them play a game at The Saddledrome back in the 80's whilst visiting my sister in law.
The score that night Calgary Flames 5 - St Louis Blues 2.
Go The Flames ![[yay]](/forums/themes/default/luxhello.gif)
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 12:42 am |
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blissful---you one sad bad case of aussie colonial ignorance
iggy is mozart
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