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quantumystic
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:35 pm |
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http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
The CIA relied on intelligence based on torture in prisons in Uzbekistan, a place where widespread torture practices include raping suspects with broken bottles and boiling them alive, says a former British ambassador to the central Asian country.
Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and until 2004 the UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition program.
"I'm talking of people being raped with broken bottles," he said at a lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News Network. "I'm talking of people having their children tortured in front of them until they sign a confession. I'm talking of people being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on."
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quantumystic
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:35 pm |
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But wait! There's more:
Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.
"The consultant who was organizing this for Unocal was a certain Mr. Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan," Murray noted.
Murray said part of the motive in hyping up the threat of Islamic terrorism in Uzbekistan through forced confessions was to ensure the country remained on-side in the war on terror, so that the pipeline could be built.
How long have I been telling you people that this was always about 2 pipelines in the MiddleEast? The one that the western powers want to control, and the one they want to prevent the Chinese from controling.
Y'all better wake up.
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donkey32
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:21 pm |
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Oh, man..
I'm getting a little sick of being right on these matters.
My question is why does it take the media (any media) this long to finally begin to connect the dots? And how much longer will it take for public outrage to build to a tipping point?
This information (Karzai/Unocal/Bush/oil routes/war/torture) has been available for years. The sad fact is that nothing will be done to punish or repair for these crimes. Obama is on the course that was set for him. All these events are a foregone conclusion. That more of the same is on the way is ALSO a foregone conclusion.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:30 pm |
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"Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan".
But of COURSE it is an energy conspiracy![[abduction]](/forums/themes/default/very_first_smiley.gif)
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donkey32
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 07:31 pm |
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speedman wrote: "Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan".
But of COURSE it is an energy conspiracy
Energy is the foundation upon which everything we do is built.
Energy resources has been the name of the game since WWI
Haven't you figured out by now that most of the major conflict zones of the last 30+ years lie either in energy extraction areas or pipeline routes? Why else would we be spending so much blood and treasure in areas that otherwise resemble a cat box in an oven?
Pay attention!
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quantumystic
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 08:37 pm |
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speedman wrote: "Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan".
But of COURSE it is an energy conspiracy
Umm... yeah.
'Cuz it's not like the U.S. and UK haven't overthrown a democratically elected government in that part of the world before over corporate access to energy resources.
"Speedman" thinks Operation Ajax was a "conspiracy theory".
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 08:40 pm |
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| The one big thing missing from the silly accusations is PROOF! All anboard
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 12:18 am |
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![[fallingdown]](/forums/themes/default/laughing.gif)
Another round of Cool-Aid anyone?
Tune in the tin foil hat, turn on CNN, and be reassured in the knowledge that the mother ship will be boarding soon.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 12:50 am |
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AlterEgo wrote: Another round of Cool-Aid anyone?
Tune in the tin foil hat, turn on CNN, and be reassured in the knowledge that the mother ship will be boarding soon.
No amount of your contempt will prevent the facts from being documented, and brought to trial.
Too many people are finally coming forward now that Bush, Cheney, and Blair have been removed from power.
They are ALL going to BURN. ![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif)
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andytown
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:32 pm |
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Donkey
Oh, man..
I'm getting a little sick of being right on these matters.lets have a laugh haaha
Are you indeed ?
Before you were born it has been going on---America has played the Imperalistic game for 70 years
Why has the USA still retained overseas, 700 known bases and approx 300 supposedly secret ones
Read Chalmers Johnston---America service personnel are getting away with rape,murder,across this globe
Read the atrocities in Okinawa alone,and then multiply by 700 at least
America servicemen are in general guilty of war crimes across this planet
Its only now that people like Johston are coming out with truth
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donkey32
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 09:42 pm |
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I am QUITE well aware on the subject. Believe me, I've read the histories, know the rap. I'm from American Indian stock, my people are pretty good at telling THAT branch of the story with all honesty. You know as well as I that the Americans stole the torch of "great white empire builder" from the British, who have been abusing YOUR people for centuries. Nice role reversal, from an empire, upon which the "sun never set" to the lap-dog of one of it's former colonies.
I'm sick of pointing out the obvious, our deadly history, our deadly present and being ignored. Ignored mainly by people who SHOULD already know better but refuse to see the evidence before their eyes. It's NOT the ultra-conservative, wantonly ignorant, know nothings that bug me either, they choose ignorance and wallow in the farce of their own insignificant, mean little lives. No, the ones that bug me are the "nice people", the fairly well educated, who are otherwise intelligent and KNOW the history but refuse to see the threads that connect us to today and our actions into tomorrow.
So anyhow, save your derisive tone for someone more deserving.
andytown wrote: Donkey
Oh, man..
I'm getting a little sick of being right on these matters.lets have a laugh haaha
Are you indeed ?
Before you were born it has been going on---America has played the Imperalistic game for 70 years
Why has the USA still retained overseas, 700 known bases and approx 300 supposedly secret ones
Read Chalmers Johnston---America service personnel are getting away with rape,murder,across this globe
Read the atrocities in Okinawa alone,and then multiply by 700 at least
America servicemen are in general guilty of war crimes across this planet
Its only now that people like Johston are coming out with truth
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andytown
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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Donkey
Well your response explains a lot and if you found it insulting I apoligise .
But ther are ones on this forum whose forebearers came from the rightful owners,and they are crawlers to the big white shyte
I knew nothing of your background, and in so many ways it is /was as tyrannical as we irish suffered
hanging the offence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
for speaking our language
being educated
practising our faith
and really just for being irish was enough
slan leat
andytown
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donkey32
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:32 pm |
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S'cool, mate!
The day that's coming, when I get to see the blighted look on their faces, when the "rightful owners" realize they've been excluded from the spoils and that the spoils have spoil't, THAT day is gonna make SOOO many of these days worth it.
andytown wrote: Donkey
Well your response explains a lot and if you found it insulting I apoligise .
But ther are ones on this forum whose forebearers came from the rightful owners,and they are crawlers to the big white shyte
I knew nothing of your background, and in so many ways it is /was as tyrannical as we irish suffered
hanging the offence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
for speaking our language
being educated
practising our faith
and really just for being irish was enough
slan leat
andytown
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quantumystic
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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donkey32 wrote: I am QUITE well aware on the subject. Believe me, I've read the histories, know the rap. I'm from American Indian stock, my people are pretty good at telling THAT branch of the story with all honesty. You know as well as I that the Americans stole the torch of "great white empire builder" from the British, who have been abusing YOUR people for centuries. Nice role reversal, from an empire, upon which the "sun never set" to the lap-dog of one of it's former colonies.
I'm sick of pointing out the obvious, our deadly history, our deadly present and being ignored. Ignored mainly by people who SHOULD already know better but refuse to see the evidence before their eyes. It's NOT the ultra-conservative, wantonly ignorant, know nothings that bug me either, they choose ignorance and wallow in the farce of their own insignificant, mean little lives. No, the ones that bug me are the "nice people", the fairly well educated, who are otherwise intelligent and KNOW the history but refuse to see the threads that connect us to today and our actions into tomorrow.
Donkey 
Do tell. You know there are several of us here.
Tsalagi1. Edro14. Madmex. Your's truly. My wife Lion even has some blood. As does Tyr.
Obviously, some of us are far more "activist" about our heritage. I can't help it. My great great grandfather's tribe was that of Geronimo. Captured and transported first to Florida, then to Fort Sill in Oklahoma.
I take a wee bit of pride that Ft. Sill remains the only active military fort on former Native American land... because they fear us (Chiricahua) that much.
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:13 am |
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 07:58 am |
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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=74&jumival=466
Here is an interview with the guy.
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