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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:26 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
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Does that matter?
Yes. If they had known that is how the treaty would be interpreted, they may not have signed it.
They might... The reality is that they've signed it, the rest is irrelevant. No. Not really. It's a court overreaching its authority. The Italians should ignore it.
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zonnebloem
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:28 pm |
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andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall?
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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TR1985 wrote:
zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
Does that matter?
Yes. If they had known that is how the treaty would be interpreted, they may not have signed it.
They might... The reality is that they've signed it, the rest is irrelevant. No. Not really. It's a court overreaching its authority. The Italians should ignore it.
Exactly, it's a minority imposing their will on a majority via a Court that is not even Italian.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
Does that matter?
Yes. If they had known that is how the treaty would be interpreted, they may not have signed it.
They might... The reality is that they've signed it, the rest is irrelevant. No. Not really. It's a court overreaching its authority. The Italians should ignore it.
And you are of course an authority on European law?
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:30 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
Does that matter?
Yes. If they had known that is how the treaty would be interpreted, they may not have signed it.
They might... The reality is that they've signed it, the rest is irrelevant. No. Not really. It's a court overreaching its authority. The Italians should ignore it.
And you are of course an authority on European law? I am an authority on when an NGO attempts to overturn national authority.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:31 pm |
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TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe. Italy was not imposing its religion on anyone. Fear not, eventually Italy will separate from Europe.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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Zonne, who are you to impose your Dutch values on Italy?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:35 pm |
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TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
Does that matter?
Yes. If they had known that is how the treaty would be interpreted, they may not have signed it.
They might... The reality is that they've signed it, the rest is irrelevant. No. Not really. It's a court overreaching its authority. The Italians should ignore it.
And you are of course an authority on European law? I am an authority on when an NGO attempts to overturn national authority.
European treaties trump national authority, unless a member nation don't want to be part of those treaties anymore.
It's not that we can suddenly close our borders to Italians for instance. And rightly so. It would be against all treaties we have with Europe.
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Slaol_121
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:35 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote:
TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism?
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:36 pm |
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Slaol_121 wrote: zonnebloem wrote:
TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism? If that's what the nation decides, so be it. The French have enforced Laceite, as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:36 pm |
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Slaol_121 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism?
Most definitely. As secularism is neutrality of religion, not the complete absence of religion.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:37 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: I am an authority on when an NGO attempts to overturn national authority.
European treaties trump national authority, unless a member nation don't want to be part of those treaties anymore.
It's not that we can suddenly close our borders to Italians for instance. And rightly so. It would be against all treaties we have with Europe.
So how is Holland effected by crucifixes in Italian schools? Why but in?
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:37 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote:
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism?
Most definitely. As secularism is neutrality of religion, not the complete absence of religion.
That's for each nation to decide.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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TR1985 schreef:
Slaol_121 wrote: zonnebloem wrote:
TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism? If that's what the nation decides, so be it. The French have enforced Laceite, as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
Laceite?
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European Snob
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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TR1985 wrote: If that's what the nation decides, so be it. The French have enforced Laceite, as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
The italians have signed the convention (along with many other treaties), as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:39 pm by European Snob
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:39 pm |
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TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote:
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism?
Most definitely. As secularism is neutrality of religion, not the complete absence of religion.
That's for each nation to decide.
No. Not if they want to be part of European institutions.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:39 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: TR1985 schreef:
Slaol_121 wrote: zonnebloem wrote:
TR1985 schreef:
zonnebloem wrote: andytown schreef:
Zonne
As a matter of fact I do belief in God. I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.---Good to hear you believe in God I'm sure he's delighted,as there is very few Dutch in heaven
Now just look at the rubbish you posted
I do find it highly inappropriate for a public school to force religion on it's pupils. I find it therefore logical that this principle is part of European treaties.
Hanging a crucifix on a wall is forcing religion on someone--how daft are you man dear ? There is no living creature on the cross although they should have stuck that Finnish moron on it!---for Chriss sake you Dutch grow up.
This is what life is all about
just listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIBGOTSI94
OK. So you wont mind your children being taught Koranic verses or having the name of Allah in arabic letters on the classroom wall? If that's what you want, you can move to Saudi Arabia.
I say if you want the state to force religion on anyone get out of Europe.
Europe is already teeming with millions of people who would not be opposed to a theocracy.
You think the state should enforce secularism? If that's what the nation decides, so be it. The French have enforced Laceite, as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
Laceite? The French tradition of secularism.
Perhaps that was the wrong word. I apologize if so.
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TR1985
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:40 pm |
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European Snob wrote: TR1985 wrote: If that's what the nation decides, so be it. The French have enforced Laceite, as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
The italians have signed the convention (along with many other treaties), as a sovereign nation, that is their choice.
I believe this is an example of a court jumping the boundaries of elected officials to impose a change that they want.
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