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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/06/world/international-uk-iran-nuclear-warhead.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
LONDON (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog has asked Iran to explain evidence suggesting the Islamic Republic's scientists have experimented with an advanced nuclear warhead design, the Guardian reported in its Friday edition.
The newspaper, citing what it describes as "previously unpublished documentation" from an International Atomic Energy Agency compiled dossier, said Iranian scientists may have tested high-explosive components of a "two-point implosion" device.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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The article goes on to say nothing identifying any "evidence". Only the mention of an IAEA request for an "explanation" from Iran.
The fact that "two point implosion device" isn't even what one would be technically referred to, is humorous in itself. And then, there's the fact that calling such designs (yes, there's more than one variety) "advanced" is downright laughable.
The 2 primary versions have been around for 65 years, and the FatMan bomb used one of them. The "two point linear implosion" configuration. Which is very inefficient. The more efficient "two point hollow-pit implosion" configuration isn't much more sophisticated.
The NYT article goes on to state:
The Guardian report said that even the existence of two-point implosion nuclear warhead technology is officially secret in both the United States and Britain.
Really? 'Cuz you can look a few different designs for it even on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design#Two-point_linear_implosion
This is the proverbial "mountain out of a molehill". And btw... this kind of device can be used to kickstart a fusion reaction for civilian energy production purposes. It's a very crude way to go, but it would work.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:23 pm |
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| Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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speedman wrote: Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
You mean Israel. Which has nuclear weapons. Not "developing".
Undeclared, in direct violation of international law.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:05 pm |
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| Israel has not threatened to wipe anyone "off the map". You once again exhibit your silliness by equating a terrorist state like Iran with a democracy like Israel.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:06 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: speedman wrote: Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
You mean Israel. Which has nuclear weapons. Not "developing".
Undeclared, in direct violation of international law.
come on q, they simply have them for protection. IF not they would have used them by now. On the otherhand, Iran has stated they wish to go to their virgins and with the intent of wiping out all jews and Christians.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:18 pm |
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speedman wrote: Israel has not threatened to wipe anyone "off the map". You once again exhibit your silliness by equating a terrorist state like Iran with a democracy like Israel.
Israel's present Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman didn't threaten to "wipe off the map". He merely said all Palestinians should be pushed off the cliffs into the sea.
And there's such a huge "humanitarian" distinction.
Now read this:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125701.html
ANALYSIS / Israel preparing public for a new war in Gaza
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:22 pm |
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loxy3 wrote: quantumystic wrote: speedman wrote: Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
You mean Israel. Which has nuclear weapons. Not "developing".
Undeclared, in direct violation of international law.
come on q, they simply have them for protection. IF not they would have used them by now. On the otherhand, Iran has stated they wish to go to their virgins and with the intent of wiping out all jews and Christians.
Rather ironic since Iran has a large Jewish population of its own, doncha think?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:23 pm |
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| Gaza is a haven for your terrorist pals. Being prepared for military action against them is the prudent course.
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quantumystic
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:31 pm |
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speedman wrote: Gaza is a haven for your terrorist pals. Being prepared for military action against them is the prudent course.
Tel Aviv is apparently the haven for your terrorist pals.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:53 pm |
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I haven't seen any rockets being fired from Tel Aviv
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:59 pm |
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quantumystic wrote: loxy3 wrote: quantumystic wrote: speedman wrote: Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
You mean Israel. Which has nuclear weapons. Not "developing".
Undeclared, in direct violation of international law.
come on q, they simply have them for protection. IF not they would have used them by now. On the otherhand, Iran has stated they wish to go to their virgins and with the intent of wiping out all jews and Christians.
Rather ironic since Iran has a large Jewish population of its own, doncha think?
and you think Ahmadinejad or Khamenei cares one ioda about them? I would not be surprised once he or Khamenei reach a certain age where death is very near they wouldn't think twice to try to anhilate Israel.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:07 pm |
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speedman wrote: Israel has not threatened to wipe anyone "off the map". You once again exhibit your silliness by equating a terrorist state like Iran with a democracy like Israel.
Neither has Iran.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:35 pm |
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McRocket wrote: speedman wrote: Israel has not threatened to wipe anyone "off the map". You once again exhibit your silliness by equating a terrorist state like Iran with a democracy like Israel.
Neither has Iran.
The famous 'wiped off the map' speech was misquoted.
'According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:
"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."
According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#2005_.22World_Without_Zionism.22_speech
People have to stop believing everything the media tells them.
Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:37 pm by McRocket
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donkey32
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:06 pm |
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I'd say, based on the information in the quoted post below, Quanti obviously knows too much. He has information for building an advanced nuclear weapon and COULD, one day, become a nuclear power.. I say we pre-emptively strike his kitchen NOW, before it's too late!
Quanti, you MUST allow un-announced searches of your sock drawer IMMEDIATELY to ascertain as to weather or not you posses nuclear technologies. We want FULL, UNFETTERED access to your junk drawer AND your bathroom cabinets.. IF you do not comply IMMEDIATELY, we will bar your access to the liquor store and confiscate your TV remote.
quantumystic wrote: The article goes on to say nothing identifying any "evidence". Only the mention of an IAEA request for an "explanation" from Iran.
The fact that "two point implosion device" isn't even what one would be technically referred to, is humorous in itself. And then, there's the fact that calling such designs (yes, there's more than one variety) "advanced" is downright laughable.
The 2 primary versions have been around for 65 years, and the FatMan bomb used one of them. The "two point linear implosion" configuration. Which is very inefficient. The more efficient "two point hollow-pit implosion" configuration isn't much more sophisticated.
The NYT article goes on to state:
The Guardian report said that even the existence of two-point implosion nuclear warhead technology is officially secret in both the United States and Britain.
Really? 'Cuz you can look a few different designs for it even on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design#Two-point_linear_implosion
This is the proverbial "mountain out of a molehill". And btw... this kind of device can be used to kickstart a fusion reaction for civilian energy production purposes. It's a very crude way to go, but it would work.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:15 pm |
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speedman wrote: I haven't seen any rockets being fired from Tel Aviv
The Israelis don't needs too, they fire them from their helicopter gunships & jetfighters over the target.
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George Aligator
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:27 pm |
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speedman wrote: Yeah Q, rogue nations developing nuclear weapons is nothing to worry about.
Don't tell me Iran is going rogue! I can't wait to see Sarah Palin in a chador...
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 12:06 am |
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'Iran Tested Advanced Nuclear Warhead - Report'
Yawn.
Wake me up when they actually get a working bomb.
Then I can roll over, make sure America's, Israel's and everybody elses nukes are still in one piece and then go back to sleep.
It's called nuclear deterrance.
And it has never failed.
People had better get used to it - because a WHOLE lot more countries are probably going to have nukes in the next 30 years.
Last edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 12:12 am by McRocket
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 12:16 am |
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| Nothing here folks, just another step in a mad man who wants to kill anybody including himself, in the name of Islam, getting a bigger sword,,,,,,back to sleep now...........
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 12:18 am |
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McRocket wrote: McRocket wrote: speedman wrote: Israel has not threatened to wipe anyone "off the map". You once again exhibit your silliness by equating a terrorist state like Iran with a democracy like Israel.
Neither has Iran.
The famous 'wiped off the map' speech was misquoted.
'According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:
"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."
According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#2005_.22World_Without_Zionism.22_speech
People have to stop believing everything the media tells them.
Sorry but that kind of argument won't fly. His intent was well-knowned. Just because no such idiom exist doesn't mean that Ahmadinejad did not wish to wipe Israel off the map.
I can say that I never lied before. I just give out the wrong statement on purpose.
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