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insidedge
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:18 am |
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Fadingempire wrote: Perhaps we could get some of these radical mosques on the same charges that
have been succesfully used against the KKK. I forget what the laws are but the KKK
has been fined bigtime for advocating violence. Right wingers and southern poverty
law center making common cause?
Sounds like a plan . . . . ![[allamerican]](/forums/themes/default/allamerican.gif)
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robert stout
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:28 am |
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Prepare for the big lie pushed by the media...They will say the attack by Major Hasan as the product of mental illness, not a jihadist attack on America...This will absolve the Army of negligence, Moslem Americans of disloyalty, and prevent the appropriate punishment of the traitor Hasan....No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig, we are at war with radical Islam...Hasan understood that and chose the enemy side...
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a soldier
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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robert stout wrote: Prepare for the big lie pushed by the media...They will say the attack by Major Hasan as the product of mental illness, not a jihadist attack on America...This will absolve the Army of negligence, Moslem Americans of disloyalty, and prevent the appropriate punishment of the traitor Hasan....No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig, we are at war with radical Islam...Hasan understood that and chose the enemy side...
Which we will find out as the investigation continues...
I'll wait. He did make a choice.
Be free
a soldier![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif)
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dem4life
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 11:49 pm |
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Young Turks: Crazy Conservative Bloggers On Fort Hood Shooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEzyPpCKU8c
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Fadingempire
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 05:09 am |
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The dude on that show is mostly right, some of the criticisims of Moslems are
exagerated and too stereotypical. However, when radical moslems threaten the west
it dosen't help to hear things like "well those Moslems shoulden't have said that
but you have to understand the frustrations Moslem people feel over their
oppression by the US" coming out of "moderates " it makes them look like
apologists. Also their whining on about "western oppression" is getting old.
If westerners had wanted to oppress Moslem Arabs then every Moslem Arab would
be a slave by now. Also even many "moderate" Moslems fail to repudiate outfits like
Hamas that advocate the extermination of the Israli Jews. That dosen't excuse
western bigotry, but it's hard to be fair with people that aren't fair themselves.
The west has 1 made many Moslem nations rich 2 made moslems free from outside
oppression. Our reward for that has been unending hatred from the Moslem "street"
It is small wonder that westerners are angry even at "moderates."
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robert stout
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 05:48 am |
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After radical moslems killed thousands of Americans in New York, it is not un-american to distrust moslems...It is ignorant not to...
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Fadingempire
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 06:44 am |
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Not quite, it is ignorant to trust Moslems that don't VERY clearly disasociate
themselves from terrororisim. Unfortunately that includes way too many "moderate
Muslims."
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dem4life
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 06:40 pm |
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Army: Shooting Suspect Taken Off Ventilator
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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 07:59 pm |
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Can anybody validate this use of - "moderate muslim '?
"moderate muslim"----![[fallingdown]](/forums/themes/default/laughing.gif)
Is that like one that has yet to make the decision to attack us?
Or is that one that never ever would attack us infidels?
Lets get this term "moderate muslim " clearly defined. Me thinks that it is just another one of those PC bullsh!!at ,give cover for , made up fairytale type terms.
Thier religion commands them to convert, KILL or enslave ALL non-believers.
I fail to see any damn room for moderation there.
Do explain how my view is so wrong. ANYBODY??-----TZS
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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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a soldier wrote: robert stout wrote: Prepare for the big lie pushed by the media...They will say the attack by Major Hasan as the product of mental illness, not a jihadist attack on America...This will absolve the Army of negligence, Moslem Americans of disloyalty, and prevent the appropriate punishment of the traitor Hasan....No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig, we are at war with radical Islam...Hasan understood that and chose the enemy side...
Which we will find out as the investigation continues...
I'll wait. He did make a choice.
Be free
a soldier
a soldier , your desire to wait much longer would be admirable if all the information about this muslim's past records ,statements and attempts to convert others to Islam was not already available to the public. Info on him declaring Islamist suicide bombers as just as great of heroes as any american soldier that jumps on an enemy grenade to save his brothers is! Everything coming out points to the decision he made was religious based and not a mental breakdown or sudden snap. Too much info going way to far back. And I will go even further in stating that Robert Stout's quote was dead on accurate.
First time I ever found fault with any of your posts that I can recall. Just being honest. Right or wrong I always post my opinions honestly.--Tyr
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George Aligator
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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Apparently the corageous Mr. Saxnot does not agree with the equation of a suicide bomber and an American soldier falling on a grenade to save his companions. I hope he will explain his view as there do appeart to be at least some parallels.
Greater love than this no man hath: that he lay down his life for his friends.
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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 09:37 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: Apparently the corageous Mr. Saxnot does not agree with the equation of a suicide bomber and an American soldier falling on a grenade to save his companions. I hope he will explain his view as there do appeart to be at least some parallels.
Greater love than this no man hath: that he lay down his life for his friends.
So easy , no wonder that you fail to see it!
I will give the best and most important one.
The American soldiers falls on the grenade is saving lives, those of his comrades . No room to dispute such bravery and sacrifice!!!--Saving Lives! WHAT GREATER LOVE AS YOU SO CLEVERLY POINTED OUT?
OH AND THAT WILL TURN AROUND AND BITE YA TOO AS I WILL EXPLAIN..
Now let's take the muslim stupidcidebomber. He places himself in the midst OF INNOCENT WOMEN, CHILDREN AND OTHERS IN ORDER TO ---MURDER--- NOT SAVE LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact to deliberately murder innocent women and children with no regard of that fact.--NOT SAVING LIVES!! COMPREHEND AMIGO??
IN FACT MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THOSE THAT HE DEEMS TO BE THE ENEMY!!! Cowardly and supremely evil ACTS ON HIS PART
Answer this . Why doesnt that socalled brave man actually fight the enemy . Fight soldiers? The answer is that he is a certified graven coward, a barbaric piece of human scum and almost certainly filled to the brim with HATE!!!
The AMERICAN SOLDIER DIED expressing love for his comrades/fellow man. The stupidcide bomber died murdering innocent people (women and children)expressing pure HATRED. In fact filled with that hatred..
So genius where the hell is the love from that maggot!!!?? His motivation is PURE HATRED . HIS ACTION IS TAKING LIVES NOT SAVING LIVES AND SOME OF THOSE LIVES TAKEN ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
IF YOU FAIL TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE THEN NOT ONLY ARE YOU IGNORANT BUT ALSO YOU ARE PREJUDICED TO THE NNNTH DEGREE!
Wise to not ask for clarification that will make you appear to be ignorant, unreasonable or just plain stupid!
Have a nice day GA.
ALMOST FORGOT,
NOW DO NOT GET MAD BUT IF YOU WERE TO EVER EDUMUCATE YOSELF I THINK WE COULD BECOME GREAT FRIENDS ,BUSOM BUDDIES AND ALL AROUND JOLLY FELLOWS!-  --TZS
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Edtudo
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 08:12 am |
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Malik….meaning “Master” or “King”‘
Nadal….rough translation to “Noble” from “Nadil”
Hasan….meaning “good” or “handsome”
Major Malik Nadal Hasan is a martyr.
A man and a name which will now live in infamy in the history of the United States, our beloved military and now a hero of the Islamofacist movement. While the American people will be spoon fed excuses about the mental condition of the killer, how this was not terrorism, and of course how the religion of peace had nothing to do with this, the reality that should slap anyone with two ounces of common sense should begin to understand that America has been at war for almost two decades now. Yet so few, except for the families of the dead, wounded or those engaged in the battle, wish to acknowledge this fact.
America’s war was not one that we sought out for profit, for glory, or for spoils. The war was brought to our shores not because of geopolitical conflict, nor an enemy wishing to conquer our nation’s vast resources. This war was started, engaged in, and amplified on September 11, 2001 because we are the infidels, the evil children of Satan that prevent the world from falling under the veil of a religion based on a child molester’s drunken visions. Sadly, as long as our fellow citizens are pacified by ignorance or bribed with baubles, the citizenry will never understand the enemy that kills our friends, neighbors, and protectors, nor will they act to acknowledge that this war even exists.
We make excuses for our enemies and excuses for ourselves as they kill, without mercy, without apology and without regard. And this time, as it was in 2003, the new politically correct military suffers another self-inflicted wound. You see, the killing is not without a historical basis, nor is the idiocy of a politicized military new. It has happened before. Within our military. And with dire results.
On March 23, 2003 (ET) Sergeant Asan Akbar rolled two fragmentation grenades and two incendiary grenades into three tents where officers were sleeping at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait. Not long after this attack, Sadam’s Iraqi military launched a Scud missile at our troops in Kuwait which was destroyed by a Patriot missile. As the bloodied troops stumbled out of their tents, Akbar opened fire with a M4 shooting two of the soldiers. Captain Christopher Scot Seifert, age 27, died from his wounds and fifteen other soldiers were wounded also before he was subdued.
Quoting the article from the London Times on March 25, 2003:
As Akbar was being led away after the incident, fellow soldiers heard him shout: “You guys are coming into our countries and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
Fast forward six years to tonight, and numerous incidents around the world and inside the U.S., within the military and in civilian society. The United States military was the target of a planned attack by some Islamic illegal aliens who walked across the Mexican-American border and planned to evolve from their day jobs as pizza delivery men into terrorists to attack our soldiers at Fort Dix, NJ. More rings of suspected terrorists arrested from Colorado, New York, etc.
Yet our politically correct Obama administration, just as Bush acted, continue to assure the public that this is not a war with Islam but against the problem children of the “Religion of Peace” and the advocates of violence against all civilized society. Sadly, our political leadership and their cohorts within the mainstream media and educational elitists continue to deny the words of our enemies and dismiss their actions as irrelevant to the world stage. Within this deliberate act of ignorance and malfeasance, the assumption that “all Muslims” who serve within our military are always loyal to the nation first, their religion and its adherents second. Even though this may be true in some cases, the words of the Quran and the leaders within their sect demand the loyalty of the followers to the word of their prophet first, and nations or political leaders secondarily.
The long bloody river of denial continues to flow through our society as the bodies of our soldiers are returned from Iraq, Afghanistan and other nations embroiled in the war against Islam and its radical adherents. But the denial has created a situation within our military that I find disgusting and untenable; we challenge the Muslims in the services not as to their loyalty to our nation but accept without question their commitments. The failure to understand the over twelve hundred years a of systemic murderous activity in the name of Allah is our Achilles Heel and the enemies of freedom know this. Thus begging the question as to why any member of the Islamic faith is allowed to serve on bases where or near units to be deployed are located, much less within our services as a whole. Why we would deploy “Muslim” Americans to theaters of war where they might be asked to kill one of the zealots defending their same faith, a violation of the word of Allah when done so at the behest of the “infidels” and its leaders?
The answers are simple, sad and tragically for the victims of politics, not war, a statement to the decline and fall of an empire.
America must allow the “diversity” of its forces to insure that it is reflective of society as a whole. That is the twisted Hegelian logic of Marx and Sociologists in the pacified world of academia and influencing the civilian bureaucrats within the Pentagon. The advisers who proclaim this nonsense never will serve within the military and view our soldiers with disdain and demand this policy as a necessity to prevent a racist elite service from evolving. When you take the perverted views of our elitists into account as part of this policy then one must review the economic and geopolitical concerns which influence our weak-kneed cowardly politically correct rulers, then you begin to understand why our military is ordered to adhere to policies inherently dangerous to the survival of our troops within and out of the conflict zones. America’s unwillingness to confront and deny the wishes of our Saudi masters by protecting our troops and securing all avenues of attack invites disasters such as what happened at Fort Hood today. The refusal to engage the Wahhabi sect and other various terrorist organizations funded by the same families that demand American loyalty and protection for their regime illustrates the fallacy of our proverbial “War on Terror” which will never end during my life time or yours.
By that same token, God forbid an American citizen elect to support a third party, vote for a pro-gun law or candidate, or speak freely about the Founding Fathers though, as that is a terrorist act in the eyes of the current regime in Washington and the prior administration. Thus why we shall continue to suffer attacks such as those on November 5, 2009 and March 23, 2003; infiltration is easy when Sociologists and cowards set policy and attempt to force the greatest military in history to act as a social experiment instead of just letting them do their job as Constitutionally mandated.
America has suffered another self-inflicted gunshot wound thanks to political correctness and submission to internationalism.
Must we bleed to death before we stop reloading the weapon of our own destruction?
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Edtudo
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a soldier
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:16 pm |
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Edtudo wrote: Malik….meaning “Master” or “King”‘
Nadal….rough translation to “Noble” from “Nadil”
Hasan….meaning “good” or “handsome”
Major Malik Nadal Hasan is a martyr.
According to the Main Stream media, he is tried and convicted. Has Obama changed the laws there as well?
We are still in America, right. There is only so much that is freedom of information, and then there is hear say.
6 pages now of little to nothing except conjecture and innuendo.
I'll still wait for the report, should be out today sometime.
Be aware
a soldier
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The Engine
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 01:14 pm |
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George Aligator wrote: Apparently the corageous Mr. Saxnot does not agree with the equation of a suicide bomber and an American soldier falling on a grenade to save his companions. I hope he will explain his view as there do appeart to be at least some parallels.
Greater love than this no man hath: that he lay down his life for his friends.
One man's terrorist is a liberal's freedom fighter.
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 04:46 pm |
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a soldier wrote: Edtudo wrote: Malik….meaning “Master” or “King”‘
Nadal….rough translation to “Noble” from “Nadil”
Hasan….meaning “good” or “handsome”
Major Malik Nadal Hasan is a martyr.
According to the Main Stream media, he is tried and convicted. Has Obama changed the laws there as well?
We are still in America, right. There is only so much that is freedom of information, and then there is hear say.
6 pages now of little to nothing except conjecture and innuendo.
I'll still wait for the report, should be out today sometime.
Be aware
a soldier
Great post, imo.
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Fadingempire
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:18 pm |
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Yes there are moderate muslims. Most of the thousands of muslims in the US go
about their lives and don't bother anyone. Yes they have terrorists but so do us
Christians. Ever heard of Timothy Mcveigh? That sicko not only targeted civillians he
knew ahead of time that he was going to be murdering children. And just like
Christianity has been used as an excuse to murder innocent people all over the
world so has Islam. The old testament has a lot of intemperate language in it "Thou
shall not suffer a witch to live", but most Christians don't go down to the local pagan
festival and spray bullets. Likewise, in the old testament female captives could be
taken home by victors. In the end any religion can be used to justify hate.
Christianity certanly has. If you don't believe me read the history of western
civilization for the past 2000 years. Especially the colonial era. Christians can and
have made the decision to stop slaughtering people because they are of a different
race and religion. I call those people moderate Christians. Moslems with the same
attitude I call moderate Moslems. Moslems have their intolerant wing, and Christians
have the Christian Identity movement (Natzi racists) as well as others. I'ts not your
religion it's your BEHAVIOR.
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The Engine
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:30 pm |
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Fadingempire wrote: Yes there are moderate muslims. Most of the thousands of muslims in the US go
about their lives and don't bother anyone. Yes they have terrorists but so do us
Christians. Ever heard of Timothy Mcveigh? That sicko not only targeted civillians he
knew ahead of time that he was going to be murdering children. And just like
Christianity has been used as an excuse to murder innocent people all over the
world so has Islam. The old testament has a lot of intemperate language in it "Thou
shall not suffer a witch to live", but most Christians don't go down to the local pagan
festival and spray bullets. Likewise, in the old testament female captives could be
taken home by victors. In the end any religion can be used to justify hate.
Christianity certanly has. If you don't believe me read the history of western
civilization for the past 2000 years. Especially the colonial era. Christians can and
have made the decision to stop slaughtering people because they are of a different
race and religion. I call those people moderate Christians. Moslems with the same
attitude I call moderate Moslems. Moslems have their intolerant wing, and Christians
have the Christian Identity movement (Natzi racists) as well as others. I'ts not your
religion it's your BEHAVIOR.
One man's terrorist is a liberal's freedom fighter.
Isn't it amazing how the left has exactly one (ONE!) non-Muslim terrorist to cite: Timothy McVeigh!
Oh no! It's Timothy McVeigh!
How many millions of terrorist Muslims are there in the world?
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Edtudo
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 06:20 pm |
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Ha ha ha, amazing!
Its so obvious that this was a diversity/PC mess- its pathetic. I am right , you are wrong and it will be proven out. So keep playing Johhny Cochran the lawyer advocate, it will do you no good.
And yes, gold is going up again- just like I said it would.
a soldier wrote:
Edtudo wrote: Malik….meaning “Master” or “King”‘
Nadal….rough translation to “Noble” from “Nadil”
Hasan….meaning “good” or “handsome”
Major Malik Nadal Hasan is a martyr.
According to the Main Stream media, he is tried and convicted. Has Obama changed the laws there as well?
We are still in America, right. There is only so much that is freedom of information, and then there is hear say.
6 pages now of little to nothing except conjecture and innuendo.
I'll still wait for the report, should be out today sometime.
Be aware
a soldier
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