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Why do you dislike Canada
1 1 (1.56%)
2 5 (7.81%)
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What have we done to you? Jsut becuase we didin't support the war? I mean, COME ON! [mad]It's soo very annoying. Please Awnser this poll.

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Also we supported the US in the War on Terror, but we're a peacekeeping country,so we didnt join Iraq

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WTH are you talking about?

and where is the option for: indifferent towards canada...

 i neither hate nor love canada or canadians.

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Why does a Canadian cross the road?


To get to the middle.

That is why Canadians suck!

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you're all a bunch of funny talking moose-fuc*ers... that's why we hate you... TIME To ANNEX CANADIA... you'll make the Louisiana purchase look like buying Baltic ave on a monopoly board... canuck!

go shop at gayfrenchfuc*ersbecomecanadians.com

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SternSux wrote: Why does a Canadian cross the road?


To get to the middle.

That is why Canadians suck!
Go fuc* yourself racist son of a bitch

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canadiasuxmyballsac wrote: you're all a bunch of funny talking moose-f***ers... that's why we hate you... TIME To ANNEX CANADIA... you'll make the Louisiana purchase look like buying Baltic ave on a monopoly board... canuck!

go shop at gayfrenchf***ersbecomecanadians.com
You are a god damn retarded mother fukcing whore shi* eating monkey fukcing son of a bitch racist LOSER FREAK fuc*!

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so, how is the candadian race different from any other?

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It's not a race! It's a country!

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Canada's great. Good fishing -- good people.

As soon as we get Bush out of the White House, our relations will once again be as they should -- equal partners.

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Thanks. Your a friendly American.

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Dude, theres alot of good Americans on this site cons and libs alike, theres occasionaly a radical few but there mostly good people

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Are there really beavers on your money?

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Lol. no. But there are Loons, Queens, Prime Ministers, and Polar Bears though. xD

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you are too nice oneironaut...I see abunch of immaturity gone on here, ecspecially name calling. Then there's people like Mel who practically stalk people with his nasty comments. but there are a few good ones in here

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JJ wrote: you are too nice oneironaut...I see abunch of immaturity gone on here, ecspecially name calling. Then there's people like Mel who practically stalk people with his nasty comments. but there are a few good ones in here
I agree.

Theres also blue noses on our money

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Oneironaut wrote: JJ wrote: you are too nice oneironaut...I see abunch of immaturity gone on here, ecspecially name calling. Then there's people like Mel who practically stalk people with his nasty comments. but there are a few good ones in here
I agree.

Theres also blue noses on our money
Yup. I agree aswell.

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OH Canaduh!!!

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canadiasuxmyballsac wrote: you're all a bunch of funny talking moose-f***ers... that's why we hate you... TIME To ANNEX CANADIA... you'll make the Louisiana purchase look like buying Baltic ave on a monopoly board... canuck!

go shop at gayfrenchf***ersbecomecanadians.com

That ant too friendly man, Shape up! The truth about Canadian people is, you will almost certainly never find anther people more like the American people. That you will find in Canada.  Thou we may disagree with there political government, their people are like us.  So to hate them would be to hate the American people as well.:)

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Monorprise wrote: canadiasuxmyballsac wrote: you're all a bunch of funny talking moose-f***ers... that's why we hate you... TIME To ANNEX CANADIA... you'll make the Louisiana purchase look like buying Baltic ave on a monopoly board... canuck!

go shop at gayfrenchf***ersbecomecanadians.com

That ant too friendly man, Shape up! The truth about Canadian people is, you will almost certainly never find anther people more like the American people. That you will find in Canada.  Thou we may disagree with there political government, their people are like us.  So to hate them would be to hate the American people as well.:)
Hey, Friend. I posted at the United North AMerica Site. And Marajwana isint legal here.

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Canada has always stood by us. Canada is one damn beautiful country! You stood with us on 9/11 and in Afghanistan.

We are wrong about Iraq. It would be wrong for you to support that. Some asshol*s can't get that through their flag-waving brain-washed central ganglia.

And Canadians have a great musical tradition, too! Neil Young, Gordon Lightfoot, Stan Rogers, Ian & Sylvia, Anne Murray, Celine Dion...

Sure the RCMP's horse around a lot. But that's because Canadians take their fun seriously. Check out the beer and whiskey! World class!

Canadians are our brothers. Never forget.

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Wow, another one of these Canadian posts that I so loathe....

Canadians and Americans are essentially the same. We're all essentailly Europeans, the US has a larger black population, Canada a larger immigrant pop (by percentage). We essentially share the same economy, the same landscape, the same language, much of the same culture, but society here leans more to the left.

I know many Americans, I talk to at least 130 a day at my job- politics is the only real divide.

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Canada has not stuck by us.  They mock us.  They accuse us.  They turn their backs on us.  Why?  Are we so bad?  They embrace Hamas... and not us?  What's the deal, Canadians?  No problem with Hamas, but you have a problem with us?  Let's hear it...

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they open their border to terrorists- leaving us vulnerable.

i am indifferent re: canada.  but i get sick of all this canada talk... who cares... go smoke a bong [cool]

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Canada is jealous of us.   You don't see any of us racing to read a Canada message board do ya?

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Guest wrote: Canada is jealous of us.   You don't see any of us racing to read a Canada message board do ya?
No one cares what they think.  They stay neutral in a war on terrorists, so that they can be pundits and criticizers...  If they think we're as bad as their press and government makes us out to be, why don't they impose sanctions on us...  Maybe those mounted freaks should invade Montana or something...  It's a ridiculous topic.  It's like the little kid that the rest of the kids protect from the bully.  But when kids aren't looking, the little kid is badmouthing his friends to the bully.  Fine.  You're on your own then...

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Which canadians are we talking about?  The french ones or the english ones?  They can't even agree amongst themselves, and you expect them to agree with us.

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Bill M wrote: Which canadians are we talking about?  The french ones or the english ones?  They can't even agree amongst themselves, and you expect them to agree with us.
The Frenchies are outwardly offensive.  But the others are just as ineffectual.  So I don't think it matters...  I can't believe this is actually taking up space on this board...

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Melvin, Dim Dribble....

You two are the perfect recruiters for the Democratic party. Do you realize that?

I'm not just insulting you, here. People recoil at how xenophobic you are - foaming at the mouth, bashing Canada, France, Germany....they see the glaze-eyed hate, the ideological lunacy...they want nothing to do with such mindless ugliness.

Keep posting.

And keep driving sane people away from the Bush/Cheney neoconservative extremism to Kerry/Edwards sensibility.

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Pigasus wrote: Melvin, Dim Dribble....

You two are the perfect recruiters for the Democratic party. Do you realize that?

I'm not just insulting you, here. People recoil at how xenophobic you are - foaming at the mouth, bashing Canada, France, Germany....they see the glaze-eyed hate, the ideological lunacy...they want nothing to do with such mindless ugliness.

Keep posting.

And keep driving sane people away from the Bush/Cheney neoconservative extremism to Kerry/Edwards sensibility.

Trying to sound rational today?  No one is buying it...

Hey!  When are you leaving the forum?  Your pal althinker just surrendered a la France...

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Melvin Gibson wrote: Pigasus wrote: Melvin, Dim Dribble....

You two are the perfect recruiters for the Democratic party. Do you realize that?

I'm not just insulting you, here. People recoil at how xenophobic you are - foaming at the mouth, bashing Canada, France, Germany....they see the glaze-eyed hate, the ideological lunacy...they want nothing to do with such mindless ugliness.

Keep posting.

And keep driving sane people away from the Bush/Cheney neoconservative extremism to Kerry/Edwards sensibility.

Trying to sound rational today?  No one is buying it...

Hey!  When are you leaving the forum?  Your pal althinker just surrendered a la France...
hey Mel, why dont you take your racist ass, And fuc* off? Canada is damn great, And you all know it. YOu just wont accept it.

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I think that what you see, is a response to all of the anti-American rheteric from Canada..sort of like a kid responding to an insult with "oh yeah, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you"

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: hey Mel, why dont you take your racist ass, And f*** off? Canada is damn great, And you all know it. YOu just wont accept it.
Re: "racist".  Are Canadians really a race?  Can't I reply to the endless barrage by Canadians and say I don't like them and what they are saying, without being a racist?

Or do you mean "racist" as an interchangable term for "conservative"? 

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And the vote here is pretty close.  Polarized, just like the US election... between hating Canadians, and liking them.

ALTHOUGH AGAIN, we must look at the internals.  How many people who say they like Canadians are actually Canadian?  Seems a little unfair to count those votes since the question is really getting at what non-Canadians think of Canadians...

In which case, it's not good news for you Canadians.  BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS you don't have to fight!  So don't worry... we'll make the world safe for you.

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What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
To stick with that metaphor, it's the brother or sister you don't talk to for 20 or so years.  Until they come knocking on your door one day because they need money from you...

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
Apparently bashing from Mel is a sign of affection you see... and not an element of hate. :D

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We're peackeeping, So call us cowards, At least msot of the world likes Canada ^^

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He's really just upset because he feels rejected. Why don't you ever call him :(

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Ren wrote: Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
Apparently bashing from Mel is a sign of affection you see... and not an element of hate. :D

 

Close, but the word is indifference.  They matter not either way.  The comments from their Prime Minister and other governmental aides are just nuisances that only show their real colors.

It's okay, we know now.

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What? Call who?

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Ah, Who cares. My life is good here in Canada! It's clean, nice, Warm, I loove it here! And I would never leave!

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Lovely results.

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I tease a friend of mine in Toronto about your money.  You have loons and then there's something about toons or tunes, I can't remember which one.  You have looney tooney money.

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We have coints, Don't we? Having coins is.. Hepful

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What are coints?

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It's a ittle thing called a typo. Canada may be crazy, But, We're safe. Terrorists may urk within Canada, But hell, They wont bother us.

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Oh, okay, I thought coints was something I hadn't heard about. 

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I've always wondered...Is there A cerfue in NYC? With all the murders there.

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Melvin Gibson wrote: Pigasus wrote: Melvin, Dim Dribble....

You two are the perfect recruiters for the Democratic party. Do you realize that?

I'm not just insulting you, here. People recoil at how xenophobic you are - foaming at the mouth, bashing Canada, France, Germany....they see the glaze-eyed hate, the ideological lunacy...they want nothing to do with such mindless ugliness.

Keep posting.

And keep driving sane people away from the Bush/Cheney neoconservative extremism to Kerry/Edwards sensibility.

Trying to sound rational today?  No one is buying it...

Hey!  When are you leaving the forum?  Your pal althinker just surrendered a la France...
I love this guy!! HAHAHHAHAHHAHA[grin][bounce][grin]  that soo 
hysterical![grin]

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sheesh

and some of you other fellow Canadians wonder why I hate these fuc*ed up yanks

O CANADA!


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I don't hate Canadians, but I really hate their politics sometimes.  But you know, it must be nice to have the option of not doing anything in the face of conflict because you know that America will take care of it.  Then you're free to criticize and still reap the benifits.  Just like most of the nations in Europe! 

That's probably the crux of the issue: Americans are so angry about Canadian politics because they are the nation the most like us and yet they follow the "Europe crowd" of criticising America and doing nothing to help our efforts.  You guys switching to Euros any time soon?

BTW, I have alot of friends that are Canadians, though most of them are from the west.  I hear that they're not so liberal out there.

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This thread was alot funner than I thought it would be. Good times to read,


Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote:
Lol. no. But there are Loons, Queens, Prime Ministers, and Polar Bears though. xD

We have beavers on our nickel :X

Melvin Gibson wrote:


Canada has not stuck by us. They mock us. They accuse us. They turn their backs on us. Why? Are we so bad? They embrace Hamas... and not us? What's the deal, Canadians? No problem with Hamas, but you have a problem with us? Let's hear it...


Canada has always stuck by you except for in Iraq. I'm not sure what you know about d-day..We do mock you, but we mock eachother too, you are maybe a little sensitive. And we maybe focus more on individual than national identity, which is understandable though if I lived in the most powerful nation on earth I may let it get to my head too.


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Which canadians are we talking about? The french ones or the english ones? They can't even agree amongst themselves, and you expect them to agree with us.


Are you seriously making fun of Canada for being divided? You are American crazy lady!! The political division is obvious as hell but then tally up the nations daily rape, murder and kidnapping totals.

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I tease a friend of mine in Toronto about your money. You have loons and then there's something about toons or tunes, I can't remember which one. You have looney tooney money.


twonies. And soon we will have a five dollar coin too. I'm not a fan of all the coins because they are annoying to carry in wallets and pockets, plus they are heavy and jingle when you run, whereas paper money can be folder over and tossed in your pocket nicely.
It is cheaper to produce though.


Melvin Gibson wrote:

To stick with that metaphor, it's the brother or sister you don't talk to for 20 or so years. Until they come knocking on your door one day because they need money from you...


we could easily sell water, oil, diamonds, fish, and everything else you could ever need to another nation for probably a larger amount of money...but then you'd take it from us wouldn't you?

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"racist". Are Canadians really a race? Can't I reply to the endless barrage by Canadians and say I don't like them and what they are saying, without being a racist?

Or do you mean "racist" as an interchangable term for "conservative"?


I totally agree, but to be honest I think he was just egging you on when he called you racist. Seemed like a tease to me, he does seem to have a pretty playful attitude with these things,

pitchperfect wrote:

I don't hate Canadians, but I really hate their politics sometimes. But you know, it must be nice to have the option of not doing anything in the face of conflict because you know that America will take care of it. Then you're free to criticize and still reap the benifits. Just like most of the nations in Europe!

That's probably the crux of the issue: Americans are so angry about Canadian politics because they are the nation the most like us and yet they follow the "Europe crowd" of criticising America and doing nothing to help our efforts. You guys switching to Euros any time soon?

BTW, I have alot of friends that are Canadians, though most of them are from the west. I hear that they're not so liberal out there.


listen I know we didn't participate in Iraq, but we are definetly in Afghanistan, I'm sorry our Army isn't as all powerful as yours but we've got the resources and you've got the manpower, we will always function as one sort of nation whether apart or when we are inevitably forced together so just deal with it. And yes we criticize America on some decisions, but not all only some (mostly Iraq). And by the way there are 30 million in Canada and in the United States over 200 million. I would be willing to bet there are more Americans that criticize and disagree with U.S actions more than there are Canadians (and they are probably more like AMericans more than anyone else). So why is it ok for Americans to criticize but not alright for foreigners to make the exact same criticisms? You are a little too sensitive. And you take this much personally as you and I have absolutely nothing to do with the direction our Country's moves in. We are just people, so take it easy and enjoy the ride. Soon this will be a 3 Super Power world and trust me we will be loving the shi* out of eachother then.

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I have no hate for canada so there is no place for me to vote. I have served with their military and Know they are there when needed. I have many friends from there, I have recently only aquired a dislike for a foul spewing poster, who thinks americans are all the same. Wrong. This is North America, there is no way to seperate the two countries EVER. Canadian soldiers are in my prayers with all the allies that are in harms way. If a few canadians would lighten up on the bush american bashing this type of post would not be nessissary. Thus the negative poll, you either Love canada or you hate, I do neither. Friends don't have a need for that. My canadian pictures are too big to post. I am trying several to see if they are small enough, sent by friends in canada. and you sure as hell have a point about the three power world.

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Damn there was some really hateful stuff on page one of this post that I missed. I think some of you really need a valium.. and a time out... this is north america.

get over yourselves. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!was my name in a game, but I never hurt anyone like page one of this thread.

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republicans hate all countires that have the guts to stand up to us.

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men... basically all the times that i am on this website, trying to discuss Ishues with " AMERICANS"  there are Canadians all over the posts. Am I in the wrong website? for god sake...  This Canandians say the hate us and doesnt like us, but they feel they have the right to disrespect us in the web... what a f***.

I personally like canadians, and their beautiful country. I think they just ashame to be nice to us, since europe and the rest of the world dislike us. We have to understand them, their dignity is too "high", but still they need to show some respect.  not like " Canadians hate americans" he always burn flags... and dude whats the point to hate us? is it becouse your think that doing that, you are gonna get more love by other nations? and you maybe right... but I  wouldn't like to see a day when Nationalism awakes in Americans.. because for all the things you are saying now or showing you are going to regret them... but whatever... Like Jesus once said " if someone strikes you in the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

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I dont hate Canada, I dont blame them for choosing to mind there own buisness *I actually support them on that*

Dont mainstream us because of other idiots plz

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote:
What have we done to you? Jsut becuase we didin't support the war? I mean, COME ON! [mad]It's soo very annoying. Please Awnser this poll.




I did. Hey, let me begin to say that our last argument was based on a misunderstanding as far as I'm concerned. I made a joke, that obviously didn't go down well with you. I'm sorry dude. Fact is, I do like canada and I like most Canadians I've met. In no other than that I meet likable and not so likable folks from all over.

maybe its my wrong, but I make fun of everyone, myself included from time to time...


I don't hold it against Canadians that the canadian government chose not to send troops to Iraq, heck, Canada is doing more than its fair share in peacekeeping around the world. After all, its easy to think Canda must have a huge army...but lets face it...Canada's population isn't that big and its territory is HUGE...I would be careful before I'd send most of the army abroad..there's a lot to guard and protect right at home and to be honest, I think Canada's resources are a bit limited in that regard.

Nope, let others do the work in Iraq. Canada has done its fair share more than once and there is no need to demand you guys make that acrifice each and every time someone else calls on you.

and I still like maplesyrup [bounce]

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demdribble wrote: they open their border to terrorists- leaving us vulnerable.

how many of the 911 terrorists came through Canada again?

 

 

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What have we done to you? Jsut becuase we didin't support the war? I mean, COME ON! [mad]It's soo very annoying. Please Awnser this poll.

 

I love Canadians.  Have many friends there as I made deliveries to Yukon, BC and Alberta for a couple of years.

Once across the border there is not difference.  Jasper and Banff National Park, just how awesome is that!  Pincher Creek Crow Service Station, cheapest fuel around.  Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, what history in Alberta. 

Blizzards and ice storms in the Fraiser Gorge. Cache Creek on Highway 97 has good truck stops.  Lost transmission fluid at MP 70 and people came to help.   Highway 37(Cassiar) in BC.  450 miles due north in the dead of winter.  What a scenic wonderland.   Fixed a broken hitch at Dease Lake.

Morely River in the Yukon.  Who doesn't love Dan! 

I know the people of western Canada are wonderful. 

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How's this for a reason?  Does it count?  O canada how very Chi-Rat/Villi-pain-in-the-*ss of you. 

"Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview."

 

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BillytheKidd wrote: "Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview."

 

[thefinger] you, we're a sovereign nation we'll do exactly what we want

 

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but your politics and policy infulence us.

....oh wait, that's what they tell us.

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obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: "Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview."

 

[thefinger] you, we're a sovereign nation we'll do exactly what we want

 

Hey knock yourself out.  But you know and I know that Canada, with 55,000 total military, couldn't defend themselves from Uganda.  They'd kick you butt in a NY minute.

We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 

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Here's some more info to brighten the day:



"TORONTO (AP) - Canada's security net is full of holes, with most border crossings guarded by a lone staffer and airport security so lax that missing security badges and uniforms recently turned up for sale on eBay.
A new Senate security report calls for reform, a boost in defense spending and improved cooperation with the United States. Canadians have relied too long on luck to avoid a terrorist attack, it says, scolding: "Unfortunately, luck is notoriously untrustworthy."
The 315-page report by the Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defense, the first released under the year-old government of Prime Minister Paul Martin, said most of Canada's 160 land and maritime border crossings have only one person at the posts.
"The potential damage to the Canadian economy and other consequences that would come with allowing a terrorist to infiltrate the U.S. through Canada are massive," the report said.
Securing the 4,000-mile border is paramount, to prevent terrorist attacks and protect some $1.4 billion in trade each day between the North American neighbors."

Thanks Canada, I feel better knowing your on guard.

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BillytheKidd wrote: Hey knock yourself out.  But you know and I know that Canada, with 55,000 total military, couldn't defend themselves from Uganda.  They'd kick you butt in a NY minute.

We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 

[asleep][asleep][asleep]how many more frickin' times, there are NO US troops on Canadian soil and we do not ask for your protection.

Give me 1, yes just 1 example from history of when Canada was attacked and the USA came to its defence.

 

So by your "logic"...[grin] the US military 1,367,700 people couldn't defend itself from China 2,310,000 people

 

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BillytheKidd wrote: We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 
Really though, if i were Canadian i would not care to have a big military for that very reason. Economically and strategically i do not see the reason Canada actually needs much of a military. I would just concern myself with meeting finance quotas with NAFTA and that's it.

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obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: Hey knock yourself out.  But you know and I know that Canada, with 55,000 total military, couldn't defend themselves from Uganda.  They'd kick you butt in a NY minute.

We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 

how many more frickin' times, there are NO US troops on Canadian soil and we do not ask for your protection.
No sh*t Sherlock.  Tell me what part of this you don't understand.  If canada was attacked, the US would see that as a direct attack on us.  Your gov't knows that and it's why you don't have a military nor and defense system.  Got it?
Give me 1, yes just 1 example from history of when Canada was attacked and the USA came to its defence.  
See previous answer.

So by your "logic"...[grin] the US military 1,367,700 people couldn't defend itself from China 2,310,000 people

Ring, ring, ring, ring.  Ah . . . OBS that's the reality phone ringing and it's for you - so pick it up, will ya?  How old are you?  Whew you kids.

 

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BillytheKidd wrote: Give me 1, yes just 1 example from history of when Canada was attacked and the USA came to its defence.  See previous answer.

So by your "logic"...[grin] the US military 1,367,700 people couldn't defend itself from China 2,310,000 people

Ring, ring, ring, ring.  Ah . . . OBS that's the reality phone ringing and it's for you - so pick it up, will ya?  How old are you?  Whew you kids.

 

As I expected you have no answer so you resort to some childish attempt at ridicule...too damn easy

 

 

 

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The Libertarian wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 
Really though, if i were Canadian i would not care to have a big military for that very reason. Economically and strategically i do not see the reason Canada actually needs much of a military. I would just concern myself with meeting finance quotas with NAFTA and that's it.

Exactly what they're doing.  But they can only do it because the US is sitting right next door.  Maybe it's time to tell canada you're on your own, along with alot of other countries.  I'm tired of paying taxes to support countries that should be supporting themselves.  We can use that money right here at home. 

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obs wrote: [asleep][asleep][asleep]

Go way you bother me.  You can't debate. 

But just so's you'll be happy, I'll quote Pee Wee Herman -  "I know you are, so what am I?"

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BillytheKidd wrote: Exactly what they're doing.  But they can only do it because the US is sitting right next door.  Maybe it's time to tell canada you're on your own, along with alot of other countries.  I'm tired of paying taxes to support countries that should be supporting themselves.  We can use that money right here at home. 

Your argument doesn't make sense

1) You say Canada relies on the USA for defence because we're neighbours

2) You admit we don't and never have asked for protection 

So what the hell are we supposed to do? blame your own government not us

You don't support us buddy, you're teh ones with the huge budget deficit not us

 

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BillytheKidd wrote: Go way you bother me.  You can't debate. 

But just so's you'll be happy, I'll quote Pee Wee Herman -  "I know you are, so what am I?"

[grin]... You're the one who can't debate there's no sense or basis to most of your arguments.

If you're winning the discussion why run away ...[grin]

[yay][yay][yay]

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obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: Exactly what they're doing.  But they can only do it because the US is sitting right next door.  Maybe it's time to tell canada you're on your own, along with alot of other countries.  I'm tired of paying taxes to support countries that should be supporting themselves.  We can use that money right here at home. 

Your argument doesn't make sense

1) You say Canada relies on the USA for defence because we're neighbours

2) You admit we don't and never have asked for protection 

So what the hell are we supposed to do? blame your own government not us

You don't support us buddy, you're teh ones with the huge budget deficit not us

 


Canada has never needed a large Military. Because you are ournorthern neighbors, if the old USSR was going to get to us, they had to go threw you all first. Realizing this, Canada and America cooperated on many military projects.

The point is, the united states is a super power. There is no way in hell that we are going to let a threatening foreign power attack canada and control our northern border. This is simple reality.

Canada does not have to worry about an actual military threat because it is on our northern border. Whether Canada was on our northern border or not, we would still need a large military. We didn't build this military to protect Canada, it just serves in our best interrest to not let them be invaded.

On this point, Canada does not really owe us anything. If they chose to realize that they would be defended and moved funds from defense to social programs, that would make a lot of sense. If your best friend is Lenox lewis and he's also your roomate, do you really need to learn how to fight and devote your life to fighting? No way, because anyone trying to get in your house is already going to be beaten badly.

Best regards...

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I don't dislike Canada at all, I resent some of the anti American stuff I heard out of Canada, but you didn't give any positive options in your poll.

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OB wrote: Canada has never needed a large Military. Because you are ournorthern neighbors, if the old USSR was going to get to us, they had to go threw you all first. Realizing this, Canada and America cooperated on many military projects.

The point is, the united states is a super power. There is no way in hell that we are going to let a threatening foreign power attack canada and control our northern border. This is simple reality.

Canada does not have to worry about an actual military threat because it is on our northern border. Whether Canada was on our northern border or not, we would still need a large military. We didn't build this military to protect Canada, it just serves in our best interrest to not let them be invaded.

On this point, Canada does not really owe us anything. If they chose to realize that they would be defended and moved funds from defense to social programs, that would make a lot of sense. If your best friend is Lenox lewis and he's also your roomate, do you really need to learn how to fight and devote your life to fighting? No way, because anyone trying to get in your house is already going to be beaten badly.

Best regards...

Well put OB, we didn't ask for US protection if you feel you have to defend your Northern border then defend it but don't criticize Canada just because of our geographic location. Funny ho wno one ever voices the same criticism of Mexico...

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obs wrote: OB wrote: Canada has never needed a large Military. Because you are ournorthern neighbors, if the old USSR was going to get to us, they had to go threw you all first. Realizing this, Canada and America cooperated on many military projects.

The point is, the united states is a super power. There is no way in hell that we are going to let a threatening foreign power attack canada and control our northern border. This is simple reality.

Canada does not have to worry about an actual military threat because it is on our northern border. Whether Canada was on our northern border or not, we would still need a large military. We didn't build this military to protect Canada, it just serves in our best interrest to not let them be invaded.

On this point, Canada does not really owe us anything. If they chose to realize that they would be defended and moved funds from defense to social programs, that would make a lot of sense. If your best friend is Lenox lewis and he's also your roomate, do you really need to learn how to fight and devote your life to fighting? No way, because anyone trying to get in your house is already going to be beaten badly.

Best regards...

Well put OB, we didn't ask for US protection if you feel you have to defend your Northern border then defend it but don't criticize Canada just because of our geographic location. Funny ho wno one ever voices the same criticism of Mexico...

I think that is because mexico is a totally different country with an entirely different culture. In general canadians don't migrate to america and americans don't migrate to canada because its pretty much like one country (with the exception of quebec).

I think because of the smaller defense Canada is able to provide more social programs so a lot of americans like to say "well, if we didn't have to pay all this money for defense then we could have all that too"

The brother and sister occasional have little spats over things that trully amount to nothing. In the long run, we may gripe and moan about each other, but if anyone ever hurt the other, well, they'd have hell to deal with.

Have a great day :)

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Shun

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Canada is Fine by me.... Besides.. I love WHistler!!!

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Here are some figures that are impressive.
Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"
by Arthur Weinreb, Associate Editor, Canada Free Press

Can West News Services, owners of several Canadian newspapers including the National Post as well as the Global Television Network commissioned a series of polls to determine how young people feel about the issues that were facing the country’s voters. Dubbed "Youth Vote 2004", the polls, sponsored by the Dominion Institute and Navigator Ltd. were taken with a view to getting more young people involved in the political process.


In one telephone poll of teens between the ages of 14 and 18, over 40 per cent of the respondents described the United States as being "evil". That number rose to 64 per cent for French Canadian youth.


. . . .the amount of anti-Americanism that was found is not surprising. What is significant is the high number of teens who used the word "evil" to describe our southern neighbour. As Misty Harris pointed out in her column in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix, evil is usually associated with serial killers and "kids who tear the legs off baby spiders." These teens appear to equate George W. Bush and Americans with Osama bin Laden and Hitler, .....


The Liberal government came into power in 1993 gushing anti-Americanism. Former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s communications director, Francoise Ducros, made headlines when she referred to President Bush as a moron. Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish was picked up on a boom microphone saying, "Damn Americans — I hate those bastards". Not only did Parrish not apologize for her remarks, but she later appeared on a television show hosted by alleged comedian Mike Bullard and laughed about the incident. Parrish played to the anti-Americanism of the youthful studio audience by saying that she couldn’t guarantee that she wouldn’t do it again.


Not only did then Prime Minister Jean Chrétien not take any action against his staff or caucus members, he himself engaged in America-bashing. The depth of his anti-Americanism surfaced shortly after the 9/11 attacks when he blamed the arrogance and greed of the West (read the United States) for those attacks.


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I like this one too, shows such togetherness, don't you think? 


Canada Free Press


. . . "anti-American Liberal backbench MP Carolyn Parrish, who said the election demonstrates that the U.S. is "completely out of step with most of the free world."


 


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How much does America pay to the UN?  Was that 25% of the total upkeep bill, why yes I think thats just about right.  Good to know it's going to a good cause.


Canada Free Press


"I love that we are Canada and we are going to stay that way," were among the first words Martin uttered as he dropped the June 28 Canadian federal election writ.


More UN than U.S., Martin is playing the anti-American card. Last Thursday, he was in Toronto unveiling a $125 million gift for the economically challenged Toronto waterfront that includes a $3.3 million United Nations-endorsed University of Peace campus.


Martin has United Nations clout through UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan . . . .

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meh billy,

Kids are emotional. Everyone and thing is probably evil to them. Adulthood tames people.

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The Libertarian wrote: meh billy,

Kids are emotional. Everyone and thing is probably evil to them. Adulthood tames people.

Agree.  But that doesn't explain Chrétien and Ducros.  The "kids" learned it somewhere and my guess is these to dimwits.

 

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BillytheKidd wrote: Agree.  But that doesn't explain Chrétien and Ducros.  The "kids" learned it somewhere and my guess is these to dimwits. 

and what exactly did Chretien say? that the reason the USA was attacked was because of its foreign policy? hardly radical that's what the 95% of the world that isn't American already knows

"They attacked us because they hate our freedom" give me a break [asleep]

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obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: Agree.  But that doesn't explain Chrétien and Ducros.  The "kids" learned it somewhere and my guess is these to dimwits. 

and what exactly did Chretien say? that the reason the USA was attacked was because of its foreign policy? hardly radical that's what the 95% of the world that isn't American already knows

"They attacked us because they hate our freedom" give me a break [asleep]

Ok. Which policy? Our siding with Isreal in the Palestinian conflict? Our giving aid to every distaster that happens in the world? Our promoting free trade to third world nation to increase the worlds standard of living? (this causes americans to lose jobs in order to improve third world countries economy)

Try this one on. I do not like the UNs foreign policy. The rest of the world wants to work things through the UN bureacracy; however, it doesn't work. We have been putting pressure on the UN since last February to do something about the genocide going on right now in Sudan. What has kofi Anna decided to do? That's right, send more advisors and do another study!

Remember, the war in Iraq was unpopular; however, we did the go it alone thing with our allies during Bosnia. Big suprise huh? The difference was, the UN liked Clinton, as he pretty much went along with whatever they said. Bush didn't. He dropped out of the Kyota accord which meant a whole lot of third world countries would not be recieving billions of dollars that we would have to give them to buy their "credits" for polluition. Funny thing is, other countries like China didn't have to.

Sounds fair right? Well, if you are a third world country looking for a hand out, it was a good deal.

So, the world snubs us because we don't like their policy towards us? That's fine. The UN is a corrupt buruacracy that we waste to much time and money on. To be honest, I'd assume if we just dropped out of the UN altogether as it is irrelevant.

The UN is only relevant so long as the US choses to play it's little games. When we withdrawal, it will no longer have any meaning.

*bong*

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OB wrote: Ok. Which policy? Our siding with Isreal in the Palestinian conflict?
Yes

 

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obs wrote: OB wrote: Ok. Which policy? Our siding with Isreal in the Palestinian conflict?
Yes

 

Excellent choice. Time for a little history lesson here.

Once upon a time...

In The land of the UN, they made a resolution. They called it UN resolution 181, or the partition of Palastine. They was to be an arab state (palestine) and a jewish state (isreal).

But then, the good Palestinians decided they didn't want the jews there so they got with their friends the syrians, the iraqs, the suadis, the jordaninans and in 1947 started this thing called the Arab league. The goal of the Arab league was to drive the jews into the sea. So they gatherred up all their armies and attcked little isreal.

But what happened then has a true david and golliath story. Little Isreal defeated all the arab armies and conquerred most of their teritory. Now, they could have kept all this land, but they gave it all back to the Arabs in exchange for peace. The only land they did not give back was the west bank (that under the partition of palestine was a jordanian terority) and the gaza strip (which was an egyptian terority).

Wanna know even a better secret? There has never been a country called palestine! The name philastania was given to the area after the jews rebelled against Nero Cesear. After he defeated them and drove them out of Isreal, he wanted to name the land after their greatest enemies who were the Philastines. The Philastines were a greek sea faring people. Gliath was a Philastine. After that, the area was a part of the turkish ottoman empire for the next 200 years minues litle parts when it was conqueered during the crusade.

When it comes to world opinion about Isreal, the world needs to shut up. Everyone is so quick to point out that america gives Isreal billions every year. What they fail to realize is that the same amount is also given to Egypt as part of an agrement to get them both to end their last war with each other.

So, please tell me where my logic is faulty for thinking that we should support Isreal in the face of all these countries that are anti-semetic and want to kill jews? I know, Isreal has no oil reserves so we should side with our financial interrests over right and wrong as the rest of the world has done. But ya know what?

I'd rather drill in Anawar.

again, let me know where I went wrong...

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OB wrote: Excellent choice. Time for a little history lesson here.

Once upon a time...

In The land of the UN, they made a resolution. They called it UN resolution 181, or the partition of Palastine. They was to be an arab state (palestine) and a jewish state (isreal).

But then, the good Palestinians decided they didn't want the jews there so they got with their friends the syrians, the iraqs, the suadis, the jordaninans and in 1947 started this thing called the Arab league. The goal of the Arab league was to drive the jews into the sea. So they gatherred up all their armies and attcked little isreal.

But what happened then has a true david and golliath story. Little Isreal defeated all the arab armies and conquerred most of their teritory. Now, they could have kept all this land, but they gave it all back to the Arabs in exchange for peace. The only land they did not give back was the west bank (that under the partition of palestine was a jordanian terority) and the gaza strip (which was an egyptian terority).

Wanna know even a better secret? There has never been a country called palestine! The name philastania was given to the area after the jews rebelled against Nero Cesear. After he defeated them and drove them out of Isreal, he wanted to name the land after their greatest enemies who were the Philastines. The Philastines were a greek sea faring people. Gliath was a Philastine. After that, the area was a part of the turkish ottoman empire for the next 200 years minues litle parts when it was conqueered during the crusade.

When it comes to world opinion about Isreal, the world needs to shut up. Everyone is so quick to point out that america gives Isreal billions every year. What they fail to realize is that the same amount is also given to Egypt as part of an agrement to get them both to end their last war with each other.

So, please tell me where my logic is faulty for thinking that we should support Isreal in the face of all these countries that are anti-semetic and want to kill jews? I know, Isreal has no oil reserves so we should side with our financial interrests over right and wrong as the rest of the world has done. But ya know what?

I'd rather drill in Anawar.

again, let me know where I went wrong...

Hey I'm just telling you why Al-Qaeda attacked the US, I'm not saying the US should abandon Israel

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Those stupid canadians didn't follow that great american president (George "oil" Bush) into a war that couldn't be won and that is being fought for all the wrong reasons... shame on them! 

 

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obs wrote: Hey I'm just telling you why Al-Qaeda attacked the US, I'm not saying the US should abandon Israel

Yes, but if we don't abandon Isreal, the terrorist and the world won't like our foreign policy like you said. So, it comes down to stand up for Isreal and make the world mad, or let the UN sanction, penalize them, and possibly even attck them.Think How many times in the past few years America has vetoed anti-Isrealli legislation that the UN has proposed.

So, we are forced to fight the war on terror or give up our principles. The administration decided that the war on Iraq would help in the war on terror and they attacked. Whether everyone agrees with it or not is irrelevant. It has already happened. Canada decided not to support this cause and that is that. These are past events that cannot be undone, so discussing them is irrelevent.

So my point is, while yesterday I stood up for Canadians in a post if you remember, today I am saying Canadians should stand up for americans and not bash us. Respect is a two way street and I try to be respectful of all foriegn countries and cultures (with the exception of cultures that supress women).

You can be against american foreign policy if you choose to, you just should not be disrespectful to America or her leaders as America and Canada have one of the best relationships that any two countries in the world have.

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OB wrote: Yes, but if we don't abandon Isreal, the terrorist and the world won't like our foreign policy like you said. So, it comes down to stand up for Isreal and make the world mad, or let the UN sanction, penalize them, and possibly even attck them.Think How many times in the past few years America has vetoed anti-Isrealli legislation that the UN has proposed.

So, we are forced to fight the war on terror or give up our principles. The administration decided that the war on Iraq would help in the war on terror and they attacked. Whether everyone agrees with it or not is irrelevant. It has already happened. Canada decided not to support this cause and that is that. These are past events that cannot be undone, so discussing them is irrelevent.

So my point is, while yesterday I stood up for Canadians in a post if you remember, today I am saying Canadians should stand up for americans and not bash us. Respect is a two way street and I try to be respectful of all foriegn countries and cultures (with the exception of cultures that supress women).

You can be against american foreign policy if you choose to, you just should not be disrespectful to America or her leaders as America and Canada have one of the best relationships that any two countries in the world have.

Best regards...

Israel could quite easily survive without US support OB they have a nuclear detterent that none of their neighbours possess but regardless nobody is asking the US to entirely reverse their Middle East foreign policy just to show more of an even hand

 

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belgian guy wrote: Those stupid canadians didn't follow that great american president (George "oil" Bush) into a war that couldn't be won and that is being fought for all the wrong reasons... shame on them! 

 

They didn't have to. It was a coalition of the willing. That was there choice. It is a cause they don't support.

And it is a war we can win in less than 1 day if we choose to. actually, I think the war can be over inlike 23 minutes if we want it that way. But we are a civilliazed people that value human life. Look how many soldiers are going to court martial for mis-treatment of prisoners and such. When is the last time you heard any arab leader (besides the Iraqi prime minister) condemn the insurgents car bombing civillians?

What is funny to me, is how many people in the world want the Americans to lose in Iraq just so they can say "see, we were right!". The price of that bragging right will be a taliban style government of fanatics in Iraq or another ruthless dictatorship. I guess that is better than a Democracy.

Even though you may not support what started the war, everyone in the world should support the Iraqi people. They just want to live in peace (except for the Sunni's but that is a whole other debate)

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obs wrote: OB wrote: Yes, but if we don't abandon Isreal, the terrorist and the world won't like our foreign policy like you said. So, it comes down to stand up for Isreal and make the world mad, or let the UN sanction, penalize them, and possibly even attck them.Think How many times in the past few years America has vetoed anti-Isrealli legislation that the UN has proposed.

So, we are forced to fight the war on terror or give up our principles. The administration decided that the war on Iraq would help in the war on terror and they attacked. Whether everyone agrees with it or not is irrelevant. It has already happened. Canada decided not to support this cause and that is that. These are past events that cannot be undone, so discussing them is irrelevent.

So my point is, while yesterday I stood up for Canadians in a post if you remember, today I am saying Canadians should stand up for americans and not bash us. Respect is a two way street and I try to be respectful of all foriegn countries and cultures (with the exception of cultures that supress women).

You can be against american foreign policy if you choose to, you just should not be disrespectful to America or her leaders as America and Canada have one of the best relationships that any two countries in the world have.

Best regards...

Israel could quite easily survive without US support OB they have a nuclear detterent that none of their neighbours possess but regardless nobody is asking the US to entirely reverse their Middle East foreign policy just to show more of an even hand

 
How would you propose we do that? Not block sanctions on Isreal when the UN tries to imposes them for assinating Terrorist leaders?

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OB wrote: How would you propose we do that? Not block sanctions on Isreal when the UN tries to imposes them for assinating Terrorist leaders?
You assume I mean a complete reversal of policy, the fact is at the moment the US basically gives Israel unequivocal blind support all the rest of the world is asking is that the US puts some conditions on that support

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obs wrote: OB wrote: How would you propose we do that? Not block sanctions on Isreal when the UN tries to imposes them for assinating Terrorist leaders?
You assume I mean a complete reversal of policy, the fact is at the moment the US basically gives Israel unequivocal blind support all the rest of the world is asking is that the US puts some conditions on that support

I think we do. We are pressuing them for Palestinian state hood. We keep them from massive retalliations against the Palestinian people.

I sometimes wonder what would happen if we did realses their reigns. What would they do if the UN imposed sanctions on them and they ignored them. Would the UN send troops to attack isreal? The UN would be defeated as America would never support attacks on Isreal. And if the UN is defeated, what would they do?

I know, things are not simply black and white. But, I would say this, the US's blind support of Isreal is only matched by the worlds blind support of the Palestinians.

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OB wrote: I think we do. We are pressuing them for Palestinian state hood. We keep them from massive retalliations against the Palestinian people. As commendable as it is, This limited restarint is VERY recent. Tthree decades of blind support for Isreal, among other things, have lead the Arabs to hate the USA.
I sometimes wonder what would happen if we did realses their reigns. What would they do if the UN imposed sanctions on them and they ignored them. Would the UN send troops to attack isreal? The UN would be defeated as America would never support attacks on Isreal. And if the UN is defeated, what would they do?
There ARE numerous UN sanctions against Isreal. Yet somehow Bush only felt obliged to enforce those against the man who tried to kill his Daddy. It's time to enforce the santions that are already in place against Isreal.

I know, things are not simply black and white. But, I would say this, the US's blind support of Isreal is only matched by the worlds blind support of the Palestinians.
Maybe, but it is questionable. One side has it's boot on the other's neck. What I see is the rest of the world wanting an even playing field between the two sides. Right now Isreal has no reason to stop it's oppression, it has the upper hand, and the world's only super power telling them it's OK.

 

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demdribble wrote: they open their border to terrorists- leaving us vulnerable.


 

Propaganda. Why do you believe suchs lies.

How many 9/11 terrorists came thru Canada?

NOT A SINGLE ONE.

They came therough AMERICAN customs, and learned to fly in the USA.

 

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Great White wrote: OB wrote: I think we do. We are pressuing them for Palestinian state hood. We keep them from massive retalliations against the Palestinian people. As commendable as it is, This limited restarint is VERY recent. Tthree decades of blind support for Isreal, among other things, have lead the Arabs to hate the USA. OUR support for Isreal goes back a lot further. Yes, the arabs hate us for supporting Isreal; however, if you had read my earlier posts about UN resolution 181 you'd have realized that this whole conflict was started when the Arabs decided to form the Arab League in order to drive the jews into the sea. As the "palestinians" are not really a nationality (they just happened to be living their at the time England broke the Ottamen empire into the current middle eastern boundries). Many of the "Palestinians" were Arabs from throught the middle east who migrated there in the late 19th century and early 20th century as Jewish immigrants from Europe began settling there and brought with them irrigation, medicine, industry and science.
I sometimes wonder what would happen if we did realses their reigns. What would they do if the UN imposed sanctions on them and they ignored them. Would the UN send troops to attack isreal? The UN would be defeated as America would never support attacks on Isreal. And if the UN is defeated, what would they do?
There ARE numerous UN sanctions against Isreal. Yet somehow Bush only felt obliged to enforce those against the man who tried to kill his Daddy. It's time to enforce the santions that are already in place against Isreal.There are numerous sanctions that the America has vetoed against Isreal. I can not think of any that we did not veto. Again, can you name any that actually made it past the UN Security council without getting Vetoed by the UN.

I know, things are not simply black and white. But, I would say this, the US's blind support of Isreal is only matched by the worlds blind support of the Palestinians.
Maybe, but it is questionable. One side has it's boot on the other's neck. What I see is the rest of the world wanting an even playing field between the two sides. Right now Isreal has no reason to stop it's oppression, it has the upper hand, and the world's only super power telling them it's OK.

 Maybe the arab agressors should have thought about this back in 1947 when they attacked Isreal. Time and time since then they have been attacked by the arabs or attcked Arab troop build ups on their border ahead of planned Arab invasions. If the Palestinians want an even playing field, they need to learn to play like decent human beings. Suicide bombing day cares does not cut it. I believe the Irish in northern Ireland recieved a terrible deal from England; however, I find it impossible for me to support their position as well as long as they go about bombing civillian targets in order to further their agendas. The same holds true to the Palestinians. I actually have very little sympathy for a country that invades another country, loses and then loses it's own country in the process. I realize the rest of the world paints Isreal in a bad light in order to show the Arabs that "see, we are on your side", but no one with moral conscience can ignore history.
It sounds all nice and good to want to "stop" the suppression of "palestinians"; however, a lot of Isreal's "tough" measures are to protect its citiziens. Sure, they can't get to their jobs in Isreal because Isreal doesn't let them in to work. But why is that? It's because under the guise of going to work, suicide bombers were sneaking in and killing Isreallis. Now their economy is crushed. Oh well, maybe suicide bombing wasn't such a smart thing after all. Bulldozing terrorists houses is fine too. It's a punishment for being a suicide bomber. You're family will be homless if you do this. Which again spreads the misery of Palestinians. But again, oh well.. DON'T SUICIDE BOMB!!!!And assasinating Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders is not a "criminal" act. Terrosists by default have no protection under geneva convetnions and thus are afforded no protection. I know it doesn't sound nice though does it? But I guarentee if we could assasinate Osama Bin Laden, we would in a heart beat.People need to know both the truth and history behind the Isreal/palestinian conflict before just shouting "Isreal is criminal"

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OB wrote: OUR support for Isreal goes back a lot further. Yes, the arabs hate us for supporting Isreal; however, if you had read my earlier posts about UN resolution 181 you'd have realized that this whole conflict was started when the Arabs decided to form the Arab League in order to drive the jews into the sea. As the "palestinians" are not really a nationality (they just happened to be living their at the time England broke the Ottamen empire into the current middle eastern boundries). Many of the "Palestinians" were Arabs from throught the middle east who migrated there in the late 19th century and early 20th century as Jewish immigrants from Europe began settling there and brought with them irrigation, medicine, industry and science.I am fully aware of what happened in 1947. The UN decided to give somebody else home to the Jewish people, and that somebody else did not like that idea, beacuse they just happened to be the ones living there. Regardless of how you define them, as Arabs or Palestinians, their homes were stolen.There are numerous sanctions that the America has vetoed against Isreal. I can not think of any that we did not veto. Again, can you name any that actually made it past the UN Security council without getting Vetoed by the UN.
Regarding the vetoes, are you saying that the US is abusing it's position on the Security council out of self-interest, or are you simply acknowledging the advantage that the US has in being a UN member and that it is clearly to the benefit of the US to remain a member?Here's the list of UN resolutions ,(65 resolutions) that Isreal has not complied with :

1. Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"


2. Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"

3. Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"

4. Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"


5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"

6. Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then  under Jordanian control"


7. Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"


8. Resolution 248: "...'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"

9. Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in


    Jerusalem"

10. Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in  defiance of Resolution 250"


11. Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"


12. Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"


13. Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe  occupation"


14. Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"


15. Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"


16. Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"


17. Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern

       Lebanon"

18. Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN  resolutions on


      Jerusalem"

19. Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"

20. Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"


21. Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"


22. Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"


23. Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"


24. Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"


25. Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in

      Lebanon"

26. Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"

27. Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"


28. Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"


29. Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"


30. Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'


31. Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping  forces"


32. Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction'   to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

33. Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"


34. Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"


35. Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"

36. Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"

37. Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian  mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"


38. Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's  order not to deport Palestinians" 39. Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern'  at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"


40. Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'


41. Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to  Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'


42. Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported  Palestinian mayors"


43. Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear  facility"


44. Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"


45. Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"


46. Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw  its troops"


47. Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and 


      unconditionally from Lebanon"

48. Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"


49. Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and 


      demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

50. Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in

      Lebanon"

51. Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"

52. Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack  on PLO headquarters

53. Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"


54. Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" 55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's  policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians

56. Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly


       requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

57. Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"


58. Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians


59. Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians


60. Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the  Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount


61. Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United


       Nations

62. Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of 


      Palestinians

63. Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return


64. Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians


65. Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return


 Maybe the arab agressors should have thought about this back in 1947 when they attacked Isreal. Time and time since then they have been attacked by the arabs or attcked Arab troop build ups on their border ahead of planned Arab invasions. If the Palestinians want an even playing field, they need to learn to play like decent human beings. Suicide bombing day cares does not cut it. I believe the Irish in northern Ireland recieved a terrible deal from England; however, I find it impossible for me to support their position as well as long as they go about bombing civillian targets in order to further their agendas.
I agree with you reagrding Ireland, and I do not "support" the IRA any more than I "support" the PLO. I do NOT support them, or their terrorist activities at all. Not one little bit.  However the fact that I do not support it, does not negate the reality that it is happening or the reality that it will not stop until the grievances are addressed. As I said, I do not support their tactics, but the grievances the Palestinian, and Irish, people have are valid. Just because I do not support terrorism, does not mean there is not a need  to accept reality in order to stop it.The same holds true to the Palestinians. I actually have very little sympathy for a country that invades another country, loses and then loses it's own country in the process. I realize the rest of the world paints Isreal in a bad light in order to show the Arabs that "see, we are on your side", but no one with moral conscience can ignore history.The Palestinians did not lose their country as a result of a war. They lost their land as a direct result of American support for the Jewish takeover of that land in 1947. Coubntries such as Jordan, Syrai and Egypt lost land a resul;t of their agggression, but the Palestinians lost there land BEFORE that aggression. The aggression was a result of the land being stolen.It sounds all nice and good to want to "stop" the suppression of "palestinians"; however, a lot of Isreal's "tough" measures are to protect its citiziens. Sure, they can't get to their jobs in Isreal because Isreal doesn't let them in to work. But why is that? It's because under the guise of going to work, suicide bombers were sneaking in and killing Isreallis. Now their economy is crushed. Oh well, maybe suicide bombing wasn't such a smart thing after all. Bulldozing terrorists houses is fine too. It's a punishment for being a suicide bomber. You're family will be homless if you do this. Which again spreads the misery of Palestinians. But again, oh well.. DON'T SUICIDE BOMB!!!!Partially true, however many of these tough measures are the exact same measure the Jewish peole had to endure and complained about while Palestine was under British mandate. The Jewish people living in Palestine at the time waged a war of terror against Britain, and complained that the British measures were overly oppresive. They didn't have a probelm with terror tactics THEN, just now. They did have a probelm with the harsh security measures then, but not now.And assasinating Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders is not a "criminal" act. Terrosists by default have no protection under geneva convetnions and thus are afforded no protection. I know it doesn't sound nice though does it? But I guarentee if we could assasinate Osama Bin Laden, we would in a heart beat.Not disagreeing with you on this.People need to know both the truth and history behind the Isreal/palestinian conflict before just shouting "Isreal is criminal"I fully understand that that terror is wrong and the fault of the PalestiniansArabs. However the Isreali's have their share of of the blame foe this probelm and you ignore that. Peace is a two way streetI agree that people need to fully understand the situation. You best get started reading,  because you have quite an education in front of you ;)

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Great White wrote: I agree that people need to fully understand the situation. You best get started reading,  because you have quite an education in front of you ;)

True, Zionists did commit terrorist acts against the british including a rather infamous bombing of an air port. Now, what you fail to see, is in 1917 the respressentive of the Arabs had signed an agreement of cooperation with the zionist. Also, an agreement was signed in England stating its support of a jewish state. As more european jews moved in and bought land, the arab poppulations felt over run and began rioting and murderring these new comers. Jewish setlers organized into small defensive units. England imposed a restriction on jewish imigration to apease the arabs in an attempt to win the peace (apease the arabs... see, that's not a new concept is it?)

There were riots and violence. England finally brought this issue to the UN as UN resolution 181. It seperated the land into two sections one jewish and one arab. When Isreal declared indepenced, the arabs attacked Isreal INCLUDING palestinian militias. The previous mentioned 5 Arab nations and Palastinian militias were defeated.

The US HAS vetoed all SANCTIONS that I know of. What you sighted were RESOLUTIONS, many of which simply recomend Isreal and its adversaries come to peace talks. Resolutions and sanctions are two different things, hence using different words.

Historical facts make things look a lot different.

The UN is anti-semetic. Thats the only way I can see that everytime Isreal gets attacked by Arab armies, it somehow gets a security counsel resolution against it or proposed against it.

Hopefully one day, people will be able to get over anti-semetism and except Isreal as a nation. And, everyone says "Isreal" is commiting war crimes, please tell me which ones so those can be disputed as well.

And as to the snithe comment about me needing to read history..

I do it all the time, hence why I have facts to back up my cases and don't rely on public opinion and "what 95% of the world" thinks to tell me how to think.

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OB wrote: True, Zionists did commit terrorist acts against the british including a rather infamous bombing of an air port. Now, what you fail to see, is in 1917 the respressentive of the Arabs had signed an agreement of cooperation with the zionist. Also, an agreement was signed in England stating its support of a jewish state. As more european jews moved in and bought land, the arab poppulations felt over run and began rioting and murderring these new comers. Jewish setlers organized into small defensive units. England imposed a restriction on jewish imigration to apease the arabs in an attempt to win the peace (apease the arabs... see, that's not a new concept is it?)Nothing I did not know here
There were riots and violence. England finally brought this issue to the UN as UN resolution 181. It seperated the land into two sections one jewish and one arab. When Isreal declared indepenced, the arabs attacked Isreal INCLUDING palestinian militias. The previous mentioned 5 Arab nations and Palastinian militias were defeated.
All true, but missing the fact the the declared state included BOTH the Jewish and Arab areas offered in resolution 181, not just the Jewish portionThe US HAS vetoed all SANCTIONS that I know of. What you sighted were RESOLUTIONS, many of which simply recomend Isreal and its adversaries come to peace talks. Resolutions and sanctions are two different things, hence using different words.I thought we were discussing Resolutions, not sanctionsHistorical facts make things look a lot different.Regardless of who was right or wrong in 1947, we need a solution TODAY. Placing the blame entirely on the oppressed will not get us anywhereHopefully one day, people will be able to get over anti-semetism and except Isreal as a nation. And, everyone says "Isreal" is commiting war crimes, please tell me which ones so those can be disputed as well.Are you calling me an Anti-Semite? IF so, that's not right, to say the least. First my posistion is that BOTH sides carry the blame, not just Isreal. Second I say Isreal holds some blame, not Jews. I have a political position, based on politics, not religion.
And as to the snithe comment about me needing to read history..
Um, you say I need to learn history and that's OK, but I say the same of you and that's snide?
I do it all the time, hence why I have facts to back up my cases and don't rely on public opinion and "what 95% of the world" thinks to tell me how to think.
Polictical correctness does not influence me either, but I would work towards peace,  you appear to seek is only compliance

You appear to be getting upset. If so please don't. If not, then let's keep our debate friendly

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Exactly. They know more about us then we know about them. Americans can care less about what Canadians think because we don't even pay attention to half the things they talk about.

I thought Canadians were cool at first, but every Canadian I talk to had insult Americans at one point in their life time. I come to think, their just a bunch of jelous people looking up to America.

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NewEnglandPatriots wrote: Exactly. They know more about us then we know about them. Americans can care less about what Canadians think because we don't even pay attention to half the things they talk about.

I thought Canadians were cool at first, but every Canadian I talk to had insult Americans at one point in their life time. I come to think, their just a bunch of jelous people looking up to America.

Tell me about it.

Go here and read the second to the last post.

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I'm new to this forum and am so far find the reading very interesting. Personally I consider Americans good friends and our greatest ally. I've personally travelled a fair bit about the USA, have worked jointly with US Army & USMC soldiers through my years in the Canadian Army and currently live right near the Canada-US border in Niagara so I get to the states a fair bit. I think I've got a fair understanding of the US society & psyche. A few observations of mine from reading this forum and from past experience;
-Many of the "anti-Canadian" posters on this forum have completely no idea what they are talking about when it comes to Canadian facts and other international issues. Its downright humerous hearing some of their outrageous statements be it concerning terorism, Canadian defence, sovereignty, health care, etc... I seriously doubt many of you have been to Canada let alone find it on a map.
-Statements on Canadians are "pussies,wimps,etc.." WTF is that all about, where can you even begin to back those statements up with a shred of fact. Read some history books on Canada's participation in War and peacekeeping (also known as doing the dirty work the US is too afraid to do).
-The (US) nationalistic attitudes fused with lack of knowledge of international affairs and issues is kind of disturbing especially when you see the current administration of GWB saying the same things.
-Heres a challenge for some of the outspoken American posters who state the US is the best country in the world. How? By what indicators and list them (having a population of 290 million and a huge armed forces is not an "indicator"). Things like average life span, health status, level of education, economic output, etc.. would be objective facts (hint: the UN has indicators it uses to rate a countries "status" and guess which one has been 1st or in the top 3 alot).
-Last observation is that most Canadian posters and also many American posters seem to have their facts straight because perhaps they don't only watch FoxNews to get their news fix or listen to and believe their current Commander in Chief.

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I don't think that many of us really dislike Canada...I do think that it is natural for people to be somewhat defensive...Canadian politics seem quite different than our own and we take a great deal of criticism from Canada and Canadians, much of which is unwarranted., i.e. the poll some months back where in a very high percentage of Canadian school kids thought that the "U.S. was evil",  For Goodness sakes, how would you respond if the shoe was on the other foot?  I think that it often becomes an issue of national pride.

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Sure ANI I agree, there are Canadians who should tone down their ridiculous rhetoric. We are actually fairly different societies but look the same on the surface so we're going to have ideological differences and its often fun to point them out. Unfortunately the average nationalistic, right wing American (as evidenced on this board) spews out some really absurd stuff. For us (Canadians) its like having a best friend (the US) who says outrageous, ridiculous things that incite anger in others. You get kind of embarrassed and wonder what the hell is wrong with him, maybe even tell him to shut up but hopefully still remain friends.

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Canada's fine. The people that badmouth Canada make a way of life of badmouthing things, people and places.

They are angry little piss-ants that hate themselves and their lives so much that it just spills over.

Let 'em rot in their own fecallly-impacted lives.

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I personally like Canada,like Canucks.I have been there ,had a good time.I love the country,its a beautiful place.I disagree with some of their politics but who cares?If you guys can do anything to save the hockey season...I will appreciate it.

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Canada is a land of hypocrites and freeloaders. Martins Liberals have reduced Canada to 3rd world status.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Canada is a land of hypocrites and freeloaders. Martins Liberals have reduced Canada to 3rd world status.BUMP ..When you can't take a stand for something , you fall for anything  ...They can disrespect our country and they know we will not do anything about it ..In order for us to protect our country, they know we must ensure their protection ...

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Canada is a beautiful place where we teach our kids in school to hate America and what it stands for not realizing that we're just pissing in the wind.

After our last election which won the thieving Liberal party a minority govn't, the leader of the Canadian Muslim congress happily informed the world that the muslim vote from the last election won over 100 seats for the liberals party. Most of them in Toronto with a few in both Montreal and Vancouver. If you Americans really want to know why our Liberal  dingbats in Paliament go out of their way to poke Americans in the eyes with sharp sticks when they're down is because they are deathly afraid of offending their Muslim voter base which keeps them in power. Its come to a point where we are second class citizens in our own country. They are bringing "Sharia' law to Canada that would allow them to treat their woman here the same way the legally do back home. You can no longer say Merry Christmas or the lords prayer in schools but schools and universities have to supply the Muslims with a place to drop and pray. In Holland the muslims who dissagree with free speech cut peoples throats in the street. I see that happening here in the near future. You Americans should be proud of having enough balls to do what nobody else does.Never mind Canada, we are so hopelessly lost bilingual multiculturalism. Maybe when America finished straightening out the mideast they could buzz by here and liberate us.

For the most part Canadians are good people and hopefully we can get rid of our lying, thieving, terrorist appeasing liberal Govn't bastards before they sink what was once a great nation. Now its a cesspool.  Poor fuc*ing Canada!

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Melvin Gibson wrote: Canada has not stuck by us.  They mock us.  They accuse us.  They turn their backs on us.  Why?  Are we so bad?  They embrace Hamas... and not us?  What's the deal, Canadians?  No problem with Hamas, but you have a problem with us?  Let's hear it...
1)  On 9/11 we opened up Canada to all incoming American air traffic.  People took complete strangers (many of them Americans) into their homes without question.

2)  Canada was beside America in the Gulf War of '91 with a full compliment of air and naval support.

3) The Canadia JTF2 (our version of Special Forces) was one of the most respected ground forces in Afghanistan during the search for bin Laden.

4) Canada has never and will never support any country if support is not warranted.  Prime Minister Chretien asked Bush for proof of WMD's in Iraq and Bush's proof wasn't good enough.  "Proof is proof;  and when you have good proof, then it is proven."  Frankly Canadian's (even those outraged by our refusal to join your so called "coalition of the willing" ) are now thankful that we didn't participate based on the American prpaganda that was being served up here.

5)  A Canadian was just appointed by the American government to oversee the entire budget for the rebuilding of Iraq and our government agreed to let the person do it.  (Name escapes me right now.)

6)  Where the hell was America in WWII?  Canada begged for help.  Along with Britain we were being wiped out.  You guys didn't show up until it was too late.  You were more than happy to sell us bullets though.

7)  You better speak to some war vetrans from Korea and Vietnam and WWII...  The stories of the toughness of Canadian soldiers is legendary.  Stop by the Netherlands some day.  Or go to Italy where one Canadian solder either captured or killed  more than 200 German soldiers alone. 

It's not that we DON'T support America, it's more a case of WE WON'T support America because the majority of voters are against the war.

You guiys elected a pro war government we elected an anti-war government.  Shaddup already, it's how the American idea of democracy works.  Learn to deal you whining little puss.:cool:

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Melvin Gibson wrote: Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
To stick with that metaphor, it's the brother or sister you don't talk to for 20 or so years.  Until they come knocking on your door one day because they need money from you...

Get your facts straight you ignorsant putz.... 

CANADA:  Deficit Free for nearly ten years.   No major federal tax hike in almost 12.

                 National debt has been reduced by 25 billion in only five years. 

                Why on earth would we need a loan from you?

America:  Debt----  Huge!       Deficit-------Growing   

                 Maybe you would like we should send some liberals down 

                 to manage your money seeing that your government is doing

                poor  job.

 

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Melvin Gibson wrote: Ren wrote: Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
Apparently bashing from Mel is a sign of affection you see... and not an element of hate. :D

 

Close, but the word is indifference.  They matter not either way.  The comments from their Prime Minister and other governmental aides are just nuisances that only show their real colors.

It's okay, we know now.
What comments?  How about some example bright eyes?

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pitchperfect wrote: I don't hate Canadians, but I really hate their politics sometimes.  But you know, it must be nice to have the option of not doing anything in the face of conflict because you know that America will take care of it.  Then you're free to criticize and still reap the benifits.  Just like most of the nations in Europe! 

That's probably the crux of the issue: Americans are so angry about Canadian politics because they are the nation the most like us and yet they follow the "Europe crowd" of criticising America and doing nothing to help our efforts.  You guys switching to Euros any time soon?

BTW, I have alot of friends that are Canadians, though most of them are from the west.  I hear that they're not so liberal out there.

I guess were not as alike as you thought.  Perhaps American's such as yourself shouldn't expect us to be "most like you" based on geography.  No one country in entitled to anothers loyalty. 

My family came from Europe and I support Europe ahead of America most of the time.   

We've talked about switching to Euro's simply because the American dollar seems to be worth;ess compared to European currency...   :P

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Nathan wrote: Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote:
What have we done to you? Jsut becuase we didin't support the war? I mean, COME ON! [mad]It's soo very annoying. Please Awnser this poll.




I did. Hey, let me begin to say that our last argument was based on a misunderstanding as far as I'm concerned. I made a joke, that obviously didn't go down well with you. I'm sorry dude. Fact is, I do like canada and I like most Canadians I've met. In no other than that I meet likable and not so likable folks from all over.

maybe its my wrong, but I make fun of everyone, myself included from time to time...


I don't hold it against Canadians that the canadian government chose not to send troops to Iraq, heck, Canada is doing more than its fair share in peacekeeping around the world. After all, its easy to think Canda must have a huge army...but lets face it...Canada's population isn't that big and its territory is HUGE...I would be careful before I'd send most of the army abroad..there's a lot to guard and protect right at home and to be honest, I think Canada's resources are a bit limited in that regard.

Nope, let others do the work in Iraq. Canada has done its fair share more than once and there is no need to demand you guys make that acrifice each and every time someone else calls on you.

and I still like maplesyrup [bounce]
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BillytheKidd wrote: obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: "Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview."

 

[thefinger] you, we're a sovereign nation we'll do exactly what we want

 

Hey knock yourself out.  But you know and I know that Canada, with 55,000 total military, couldn't defend themselves from Uganda.  They'd kick you butt in a NY minute.

We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 
Uhh, dude, our military of 50.000 would wipe out 100, 000 American soldiers.  Canadian's aren't trained in conventional warfare, we're a fighting force trained in guerilla warfare.  In other words we would make the insurgents in Iraq look like girl scouts.  Don't underestimate the level of training that Canadian soldiers endure.:)

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BillytheKidd wrote: The Libertarian wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: We also both know Canada doesn't have to have a defense system because the USA is their defense system.  Reality check.

 
Really though, if i were Canadian i would not care to have a big military for that very reason. Economically and strategically i do not see the reason Canada actually needs much of a military. I would just concern myself with meeting finance quotas with NAFTA and that's it.

Exactly what they're doing.  But they can only do it because the US is sitting right next door.  Maybe it's time to tell canada you're on your own, along with alot of other countries.  I'm tired of paying taxes to support countries that should be supporting themselves.  We can use that money right here at home. 
You are clueless about market ecomomy aren't you?

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Believe it or not, in Canada its against the law to defend yourself or your loved ones in your own home. What a country. 4 mounties get blown away in Alberta despite having a billion dollar gun registry. Now thats progress!

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BillytheKidd wrote: The Libertarian wrote: meh billy,

Kids are emotional. Everyone and thing is probably evil to them. Adulthood tames people.

Agree.  But that doesn't explain Chrétien and Ducros.  The "kids" learned it somewhere and my guess is these to dimwits.

 

Hey pinhead, George Bush referred to the Pakistani people as "The Paki's..." 

Even if it was a slip, it still shows ignorance.  At least our politicians say what's on their mind...  Remember freedom of speech and all that crap that you guys treasure...  So shaddup about it.  If 40% of kids think America is evil then maybe you guys should try and do something to prove that your not...  Oh, that would mean justifying your actions...  Tall order.

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OB wrote: obs wrote: BillytheKidd wrote: Agree.  But that doesn't explain Chrétien and Ducros.  The "kids" learned it somewhere and my guess is these to dimwits. 

and what exactly did Chretien say? that the reason the USA was attacked was because of its foreign policy? hardly radical that's what the 95% of the world that isn't American already knows

"They attacked us because they hate our freedom" give me a break [asleep]

Ok. Which policy? Our siding with Isreal in the Palestinian conflict? Our giving aid to every distaster that happens in the world? Our promoting free trade to third world nation to increase the worlds standard of living? (this causes americans to lose jobs in order to improve third world countries economy)Oh you did a fine job in rwanda, Darfur, somalia, haiti, .... Yeah sure America is known the world over for their ability to spread a "higher standard of living." Might wanna do something about the standard of living at home first sunshine.


Try this one on. I do not like the UNs foreign policy. The rest of the world wants to work things through the UN bureacracy; however, it doesn't work. We have been putting pressure on the UN since last February to do something about the genocide going on right now in Sudan. What has kofi Anna decided to do? That's right, send more advisors and do another study!  America has never bothered with genocide before and now because Canada brings it to the worlds attention you don't like UN foreign policy.  NEWSFLASH:  Were it not for the UN your government wouldn't know how to spell the words famine, genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Remember, the war in Iraq was unpopular; however, we did the go it alone thing with our allies during Bosnia. Big suprise huh? The difference was, the UN liked Clinton, as he pretty much went along with whatever they said. Bush didn't. He dropped out of the Kyota accord which meant a whole lot of third world countries would not be recieving billions of dollars that we would have to give them to buy their "credits" for polluition. Funny thing is, other countries like China didn't have to.  Amazing!!!!!!! The UN liked Clinton...  Maybe it was because he didn't try to lie to them all the time.

Sounds fair right? Well, if you are a third world country looking for a hand out, it was a good deal.

So, the world snubs us because we don't like their policy towards us? That's fine. The UN is a corrupt buruacracy that we waste to much time and money on. To be honest, I'd assume if we just dropped out of the UN altogether as it is irrelevant.
The UN is corrupt and America has never been?!  See:  Iran/Contra, Noriega, Aristide...  To name but a few.
The UN is only relevant so long as the US choses to play it's little games. When we withdrawal, it will no longer have any meaning.
If America is so against the UN then perhaps your government should ask that it be taken from New York and moved to Toronto or Montreal as was originally proposed.  The UN doesn't belong in a military nation.
*bong*  *bong yourself, pinhead.*

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NewEnglandPatriots wrote: Exactly. They know more about us then we know about them. Americans can care less about what Canadians think because we don't even pay attention to half the things they talk about.

I thought Canadians were cool at first, but every Canadian I talk to had insult Americans at one point in their life time. I come to think, their just a bunch of jelous people looking up to America.
Uhh dude...  Canadians will never look up to America.  Remember that Canada is the country above America.  "Hello down there!"[bounce]

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Believe it or not, in Canada its against the law to defend yourself or your loved ones in your own home. What a country. 4 mounties get blown away in Alberta despite having a billion dollar gun registry. Now thats progress!I wish I could comment on this but I can't... You should really do some more reading about Canadain law.  There is nothing that states you cannot protect yourself or your family.

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I just want to clarify a statement you made WHOOPDIE-DOO about Canadian troops not being trained in conventional warfare and being a force that is trained in guerilla warfare. This is absolutely incorrect, the Canadian Army is small, highly trained professional Army that thats focus is conventional warfare, we are not trained as guerilla fighters?!?!? I can safely say this as I spent 20 years in the Infantry and actually as of last week am returning to active service, I guess I just have it in my blood. I can also safely say we do have a higher "average" level of training of our forces members then what is seen in the US military but Americans don't take this the wrong way. It is more to do with the "philosophy" of our forces, if we are going to be small then be highly,highly trained.

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CanadianGuy wrote: I just want to clarify a statement you made WHOOPDIE-DOO about Canadian troops not being trained in conventional warfare and being a force that is trained in guerilla warfare. This is absolutely incorrect, the Canadian Army is small, highly trained professional Army that thats focus is conventional warfare, we are not trained as guerilla fighters?!?!? I can safely say this as I spent 20 years in the Infantry and actually as of last week am returning to active service, I guess I just have it in my blood. I can also safely say we do have a higher "average" level of training of our forces members then what is seen in the US military but Americans don't take this the wrong way. It is more to do with the "philosophy" of our forces, if we are going to be small then be highly,highly trained.
I stand corrected, however I'll explain my statement.  In speaking with friends who were in the forces (three different men) they all indicated that their training was much different than many other military forces. 

Question:  I understand that the Canadian Forces don't take anyone who is not a high school graduate.  Do you know what percentage of enlisted men have college or university degrees/diplomas?

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Just a clarification, not a criticism but yes we are trained at a higher level especially at an individual level. British and Canadian soldiers are at about the same level of training, US troops are wel trained but not at as high a level as they can rely more on mass numbers and the US Air Force.

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when was that study conducted?

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The Libertarian wrote: when was that study conducted?I'm only offering this info second hand but...  Our pilots quite often outperform at TOP GUN and in battle excersises we usually wipe out the American players unless we;re told to lose.  (That came from two friends that were in The Princess Pats)

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: Believe it or not, in Canada its against the law to defend yourself or your loved ones in your own home. What a country. 4 mounties get blown away in Alberta despite having a billion dollar gun registry. Now thats progress!I wish I could comment on this but I can't... You should really do some more reading about Canadain law.  There is nothing that states you cannot protect yourself or your family.
 

Let me re-phrase that. You can go to jail in Canada for defending your loved ones. If you catch someone raping your wife and you harm him, you will in all likely hood be charged and quite possibly jailed. Victims have no rights in this socialist eutopia. I know all about the "reasonable force clause" and it don't mean shi*. If you harm the dirt, you get charged.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: Believe it or not, in Canada its against the law to defend yourself or your loved ones in your own home. What a country. 4 mounties get blown away in Alberta despite having a billion dollar gun registry. Now thats progress!I wish I could comment on this but I can't... You should really do some more reading about Canadain law.  There is nothing that states you cannot protect yourself or your family.
 

Let me re-phrase that. You can go to jail in Canada for defending your loved ones. If you catch someone raping your wife and you harm him, you will in all likely hood be charged and quite possibly jailed. Victims have no rights in this socialist eutopia. I know all about the "reasonable force clause" and it don't mean s***. If you harm the dirt, you get charged.


ASK HIM ABOUT THE CANADA'S CONSTITUTION.......or the law that runs the country...That's why it's run by bunch hippie free liberals....smoking pot  is ok ... because it's going to be an governmentel approve pot....  Canada is KOOLLL!!

Just ask the Four dead MOUNTIES FAMILY'S.........  WAR ACT MEASURE should've HAVE BEEN USE.....but forget it,  who are going after....... themselves

Oh , yes, if you hurt the guy that broken into the house .... he has more rights...and you can go to jail... I heard that!!!!! good laws........your constitution sucks!!!

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I simply cannot believe that any significant number of Americans dislike Canadians, it would be irrational.

Somebody support me on this - please!

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CanadianGuy wrote: Just a clarification, not a criticism but yes we are trained at a higher level especially at an individual level. British and Canadian soldiers are at about the same level of training, US troops are wel trained but not at as high a level as they can rely more on mass numbers and the US Air Force.
 

Please don't bring the British Army into this infantile debate.

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: CanadianGuy wrote: I just want to clarify a statement you made WHOOPDIE-DOO about Canadian troops not being trained in conventional warfare and being a force that is trained in guerilla warfare. This is absolutely incorrect, the Canadian Army is small, highly trained professional Army that thats focus is conventional warfare, we are not trained as guerilla fighters?!?!? I can safely say this as I spent 20 years in the Infantry and actually as of last week am returning to active service, I guess I just have it in my blood. I can also safely say we do have a higher "average" level of training of our forces members then what is seen in the US military but Americans don't take this the wrong way. It is more to do with the "philosophy" of our forces, if we are going to be small then be highly,highly trained.
I stand corrected, however I'll explain my statement.  In speaking with friends who were in the forces (three different men) they all indicated that their training was much different than many other military forces. 

Question:  I understand that the Canadian Forces don't take anyone who is not a high school graduate.  Do you know what percentage of enlisted men have college or university degrees/diplomas?

 

Whoopie-whatever, you have never been in a fight! If ever you are, you will find that academic backgrounds count for nothing. Nor, I suggest have you ever participated in a serious debate, so I will give you some advice: It is better to be silent and have people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it.

 

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You guys elected a radical liberal government.

Thats fine. Wouldn't have been my choice, but I don't have to live there.


I like canada. I think it's a great country, lots of nice places to go, great beer, great looking women. Zyoptic laser eye surgery. My cousin has the vision of an eagle now because of it. Really amazing stuff.

There are things I don't like about Canada, but what does that matter? I like to poke fun at Canadians, but it's all in good fun. Like, why do you guys say eh? And whats the deal with brown gravy on fries?

P.S. - I'm not participating in that poll. It's absurd.

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Morayman wrote:
I simply cannot believe that any significant number of Americans dislike Canadians, it would be irrational.

Somebody support me on this - please!


You need to understand that Americans and Canadians fight amongst themselves like relatives do in a household. However if and when push comes to shove from an outsider you can pretty much count on the fact they will indeed become one again. Same with the different political groups in this Country. We fight, fight, fight amongst ourselves but let no outsider enter into that fight or we will again become one to defeat the enemy. Its hard to explain but thats just the way it is here. :?

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To the people of Canada, despite our Bush A** licking Prime Minister, please know the people of Australia are behind you.

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Americans make fun of Canada because they are jealous. Actually this probably isn't true but I don't know why they feel the need to belittle Canada. I try to go out of my way to not say bad things about the U.S. because I believe the people are seperate from their Government.

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Likewise I have nothing against Americans and the US, I may not agree with some of their politics,etc but consider the US and Americans our closest allies. Its good fun to have a debate about these issues but Canadians and Americans who display contempta nd hate towards each other in rather disturbing. Thanks bitoltiz, always thought of Australians as close cousins who seem to have alot in common with us from a country/social type standing.

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Canadians are so weird nad dumb...they make me LOL!:D

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In 10 years Canadas Prime Minister will be a muslim. That ought to get a few bungholes puckered up south of the border. With our screendoors opened wide its just a matter of time.

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VonHeaterbox wrote:
In 10 years Canadas Prime Minister will be a muslim. That ought to get a few bungholes puckered up south of the border. With our screendoors opened wide its just a matter of time.


I can't see a Muslim PM in Canada any time soon.

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Not in New Brunswick maybe but checkout any province with a city larger than 250.000 people. In 20 years 40 % of Canadas population will be muslim.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Not in New Brunswick maybe but checkout any province with a city larger than 250.000 people. In 20 years 40 % of Canadas population will be muslim.
[eyeroll] sure it will

 

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40% of Canada's population will be Muslim? I have nothing against the Islamic faith but that prediction sounds somewhat off, and even if it were correct so what. As far as immigration trends go there has been an influx of South and Central Americans to Canada in the past few years who tend to be RC so even the assertion we are being swamped by persons of Muslim faith is not entirely correct.

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CanadianGuy wrote: 40% of Canada's population will be Muslim? I have nothing against the Islamic faith but that prediction sounds somewhat off, and even if it were correct so what. As far as immigration trends go there has been an influx of South and Central Americans to Canada in the past few years who tend to be RC so even the assertion we are being swamped by persons of Muslim faith is not entirely correct.
Not "entirely" correct eh, more like not correct at all

By 2026 there'd have to be 14.5 million Muslims in Canada, dunno about you but I don't intend converting between now and 2026

 

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What have we done to you? Jsut becuase we didin't support the war? I mean, COME ON! [mad]It's soo very annoying. Please Awnser this poll.

You didn’t add the option that speaks the most truth, "Canada, what’s that?" for one.

Its actual kind of sad that you have such a country that so few people give hoots about.

Really Canada isn’t enough of a world power to be worth greater mention, and the only ones who should be concerned about you, us USAmericans, your only neighbors. I think you will find general don’t care and general ignorant.

 

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The offspring wrote: Americans make fun of Canada because they are jealous. Actually this probably isn't true but I don't know why they feel the need to belittle Canada. I try to go out of my way to not say bad things about the U.S. because I believe the people are seperate from their Government.
Jealous of your infer Economy, your virtual non existent military. Your inferior and oppressive socialist government. I don’t think you got your head screwed on quite right in this.

Canada has very little for the US to be “Jealous” of. And lets face it we already pretty much own you. its hard to belittle something that is so little and has so little significant to anyone but their only nabob Americans, and still that’s almost nothing.

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Ah ha ha ha, you better check your facts Monorprise or at least come up with some more imaginative trolls.

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Anyone who doesn't realize that the liberals are in power solely because of the ethnic vote are in for a rude awakening when they start imposing their pegan laws on us. Ever hear of "sharia"

Its obvious that the majority of Canadians here are liberals, deny deny deny.

First of all they teach our kids to hate Americans and then they flood our social programs with immigrants from Islamic countries. Try re-entering Canada through Toronto and you won't find one customs agent that isn't from a visible minority. In Canada Whitemen need not apply. The country is a liberal shi*hole that is going down the tubes fast. The best America could do is to boycott our sorry asses till this liberal garbage goes the way of the DoDo bird. I used to be proud to be Canadian, now i've never been more ashamed of our hypocritical attitude.

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The Liberals are a minority finally. Next stop, straight to hell for the thieving bastards. The liberals sure like to belittle your President Bush but no one can deny the democratic reforms brewing in the mideast. Don't bother with the kids badmouthing you my friends, because thats all they are, messed up kids that still have no idea where their bread and butter comes from. Most have been brainwashed by limousine Liberals. And this is the future for us?? Poor fuc*ing Canada.

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The offspring wrote:
Americans make fun of Canada because they are jealous. Actually this probably isn't true but I don't know why they feel the need to belittle Canada. I try to go out of my way to not say bad things about the U.S. because I believe the people are seperate from their Government.


Or, it's just really easy to get in a pot shot.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Anyone who doesn't realize that the liberals are in power solely because of the ethnic vote are in for a rude awakening when they start imposing their pegan laws on us. Ever hear of "sharia" The "Ethnic vote"? you don't think "Ethnics" should have the vote then? or maybe each ethnic vote should be worth half a white one. And being a fair-minded unprejudiced individual I'm sure you object equally to Jewish and Christian faith based arbitration options for civil disputes as well [eyeroll]Its obvious that the majority of Canadians here are liberals, deny deny deny.

First of all they teach our kids to hate Americans and then they flood our social programs with immigrants from Islamic countries. Try re-entering Canada through Toronto and you won't find one customs agent that isn't from a visible minority. In Canada Whitemen need not apply.
[asleep]and that has nothing to do with the fact Toronto is majority visible minority does it. White racist paranoia :( how sad.The country is a liberal s***hole that is going down the tubes fast. The best America could do is to boycott our sorry asses till this liberal garbage goes the way of the DoDo bird. I used to be proud to be Canadian, now i've never been more ashamed of our hypocritical attitude.Well fuc* off then you won't be missed but dunno where you'll go seeing as even South Africa's abandoned apartheid

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VonHeaterbox wrote: The Liberals are a minority finally. Next stop, straight to hell for the thieving bastards. The liberals sure like to belittle your President Bush but no one can deny the democratic reforms brewing in the mideast. Don't bother with the kids badmouthing you my friends, because thats all they are, messed up kids that still have no idea where their bread and butter comes from. Most have been brainwashed by limousine Liberals. And this is the future for us?? Poor f***ing Canada.You best get your facts straight homie...  You're just plain dumb.  Ignorance abounds about Canada...  

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VonHeaterbox wrote: WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: Believe it or not, in Canada its against the law to defend yourself or your loved ones in your own home. What a country. 4 mounties get blown away in Alberta despite having a billion dollar gun registry. Now thats progress!I wish I could comment on this but I can't... You should really do some more reading about Canadain law.  There is nothing that states you cannot protect yourself or your family.
 

Let me re-phrase that. You can go to jail in Canada for defending your loved ones. If you catch someone raping your wife and you harm him, you will in all likely hood be charged and quite possibly jailed. Victims have no rights in this socialist eutopia. I know all about the "reasonable force clause" and it don't mean s***. If you harm the dirt, you get charged.
Ummmmmmmmm.....  No...........  You're wrong again.

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Meeple wrote: You guys elected a radical liberal government.

Thats fine. Wouldn't have been my choice, but I don't have to live there.


I like canada. I think it's a great country, lots of nice places to go, great beer, great looking women. Zyoptic laser eye surgery. My cousin has the vision of an eagle now because of it. Really amazing stuff.

There are things I don't like about Canada, but what does that matter? I like to poke fun at Canadians, but it's all in good fun. Like, why do you guys say eh? And whats the deal with brown gravy on fries?

P.S. - I'm not participating in that poll. It's absurd.
WHERE DO GUYS LIKE YOU COME UP WITH WORDS LIKE "RADICAL" TO DESCRIBE THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT?  :shock:

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I think we call it the http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=RADICAL

 

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I think there are alot of people here making assertions from each side. And they should back up their statements with a little more than "You're wrong because I say so!".

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote:
Meeple wrote: You guys elected a radical liberal government.

Thats fine. Wouldn't have been my choice, but I don't have to live there.


I like canada. I think it's a great country, lots of nice places to go, great beer, great looking women. Zyoptic laser eye surgery. My cousin has the vision of an eagle now because of it. Really amazing stuff.

There are things I don't like about Canada, but what does that matter? I like to poke fun at Canadians, but it's all in good fun. Like, why do you guys say eh? And whats the deal with brown gravy on fries?

P.S. - I'm not participating in that poll. It's absurd.
WHERE DO GUYS LIKE YOU COME UP WITH WORDS LIKE "RADICAL" TO DESCRIBE THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT? :shock:


Hey! Mr. Shouty!! I'm right here. I can hear you...

You're gonna have to find that caps lock button chief.

As far as your statement, I'd say from the articles and news stories I hear from and about canada. By the way... hows Sharian law working for ya?

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Please enlite us,  about "Sharian law"... or should i just google.....:D

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Its a traditional Islamic law that is being allowed to settle certain types of civil disputes when both parties agree to it. The idea of "traditional" religious/cultural laws being used to settle civil disputes is not new and First Nations and Jewish people have used their traditional laws, saves the taxpayers money and everyone is happy(well maybe). It is being used on a trial basis in Ontario but I'm not sure about any other Provinces.

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Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: Lol. no. But there are Loons, Queens, Prime Ministers, and Polar Bears though. xDyou idiot, sorry, for calling you an idiot cause you're not, but what the hell the nickel! it has a beaver on it, i'm sure it was jsut a mind slip

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CanadianGuy wrote: Its a traditional Islamic law that is being allowed to settle certain types of civil disputes when both parties agree to it. The idea of "traditional" religious/cultural laws being used to settle civil disputes is not new and First Nations and Jewish people have used their traditional laws, saves the taxpayers money and everyone is happy(well maybe). It is being used on a trial basis in Ontario but I'm not sure about any other Provinces.
 

!!!!!Period.......this is not logical, this is not how you run a country under, "traditional"religious/ cultures this is how you're going to destory, a culture.....THE CANADIAN CULTURE!   Air India bombing is one fact in the forefront right now that proves this....... When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {fuc*ed} screwed up Canada,   good !!!!

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SamHouston wrote:
When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {f***ed} screwed up Canada, good !!!!


Such a narrow minded vision. So what you are telling us is, if you moved to another country you would not keep any of your current beliefs and attitudes the same? Please spare us.

Your perspective on the Canadian consitution tells me you don't know jack s**t. You don't get out much do you? This reminds me...is it true that GWB never had a passport until he became president?

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Mr. KD wrote: SamHouston wrote:
When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {f***ed} screwed up Canada, good !!!!


Such a narrow minded vision. So what you are telling us is, if you moved to another country you would not keep any of your current beliefs and attitudes the same? Please spare us.

Your perspective on the Canadian consitution tells me you don't know jack s**t. You don't get out much do you? This reminds me...is it true that GWB never had a passport until he became president?
NICE TOUCH BROTHER CANUCK!!!!!

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CanadianGuy wrote: Ah ha ha ha, you better check your facts Monorprise or at least come up with some more imaginative trolls.
I'm not the one who needs to check their information. You need to stop buying that Propaganda your news media and government feeds you and start looking at the underlining facts. Canada is not doing well economy. on average Canada has got a GDP pre captia of 10 thousand US dollars per person less than the US. You also last I checked have a public dept of about 77% of your GDP, and did I mention even the UN says you need to fund your military!!!

Also Canadian disposable income is even smaller proportional to Americans!! Wake up man, Canada exist on the US economy backbone, which mean if your government was making good choices you should be right up there averaging with us! but your not! We American even give you significant trade advantages in both our market and your market and were still beating you!

the United States has only about 9 times your population and nearly 12 times you GDP. That sad, exposal for a nation that has so much natural resources to just sell. Natural resources remain the corner stone of what’s left of your economy!!! As best I can guess it.

Canada is not doing well by almost any measure compared to the US. Ya you have “lower Murder rate” but as I said before your media and government are feeding your propaganda, because that’s just a Russian horse race story when anyone tells you that, as an example of crime, in fact your crime rate is as much as twice the rate of the US. Take 2 cities Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. And Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.  Your twice as likely to get your car stolen in Winnipeg, than Minneapolis.

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Mr. KD wrote: SamHouston wrote:
When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {f***ed} screwed up Canada, good !!!!


Such a narrow minded vision. So what you are telling us is, if you moved to another country you would not keep any of your current beliefs and attitudes the same? Please spare us.

Your perspective on the Canadian consitution tells me you don't know jack s**t. You don't get out much do you? This reminds me...is it true that GWB never had a passport until he became president?


 

Again, someone speaks and says nothing!!!  Talking about Jack shi*ting or something!:D

When one can't debate or chat, then one runs from the truth..... then we see one educational back ground......... zero......better PHONE up the PM......Canadian Guy, your friends are not very good debaters...:D[bounce] 

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SamHouston wrote:
Again, someone speaks and says nothing!!! Talking about Jack s***ting or something!:D

When one can't debate or chat, then one runs from the truth..... then we see one educational back ground......... zero......better PHONE up the PM......Canadian Guy, your friends are not very good debaters...:D[bounce]


Here, have a good read. There's LOTS of words so it might take you a little while, try not to move your lips.
http://www.answers.com/topic/constitution-of-canada

After reading this you will realize your previous statement is ignorant. Here's another link regarding politics. I think it's you, SamHouston, who lacks in debating ability. You're quite good with colors and emoticons though.

http://www.answers.com/topic/canadian-and-american-politics-compared

Both of our countries have pros and cons. I think it's great that we can be proud of the countries that we live in. Our two nations are tied together in so many ways and to say that one is better than the other is a matter of opinion. To make "ignorant" remarks about constitutions or other things is silly.

The initial thread was regarding the Iraq war and why Canada didn't jump in with the US. Canada did not join the war efforts in Iraq because the Canadian government felt there was not enough evidence presented by the US to invade. I think most Canadians can agree with this and are happy with the decision not to join but at the same time saddens us when we see US&UK troops losing their lives. We were with you on 9/11 and Afganistan and when push comes to shove our two countries do come together. Canada won't blindly obey every request from your president so if that makes us anti-american then so be it.

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Canada was not allways a shi*hole but it sure is now that we've decided to belittle Bush for having the balls to do what we can't do with our 2500 men in arms. Anyone who can't see where the liberals have brought us have fuc*ing rocks in their heads. We went from being admired around the world to being laughed at. Poor fuc*ing Canada. And with a new generation of liberal dingbats ready to take over I see no change for the future.

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Mr. KD wrote: SamHouston wrote:
Again, someone speaks and says nothing!!! Talking about Jack s***ting or something!:D

When one can't debate or chat, then one runs from the truth..... then we see one educational back ground......... zero......better PHONE up the PM......Canadian Guy, your friends are not very good debaters...:D[bounce]


Here, have a good read. There's LOTS of words so it might take you a little while, try not to move your lips.
http://www.answers.com/topic/constitution-of-canada

After reading this you will realize your previous statement is ignorant. Here's another link regarding politics. I think it's you, SamHouston, who lacks in debating ability. You're quite good with colors and emoticons though.

http://www.answers.com/topic/canadian-and-american-politics-compared

Both of our countries have pros and cons. I think it's great that we can be proud of the countries that we live in. Our two nations are tied together in so many ways and to say that one is better than the other is a matter of opinion. To make "ignorant" remarks about constitutions or other things is silly.

The initial thread was regarding the Iraq war and why Canada didn't jump in with the US. Canada did not join the war efforts in Iraq because the Canadian government felt there was not enough evidence presented by the US to invade. I think most Canadians can agree with this and are happy with the decision not to join but at the same time saddens us when we see US&UK troops losing their lives. We were with you on 9/11 and Afganistan and when push comes to shove our two countries do come together. Canada won't blindly obey every request from your president so if that makes us anti-american then so be it.

 

THEN GO OVER THE TO THE THREAD THE " WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANADIaNS AND ANERICANS"    an we can contintue the debate there!  

Again,  you're telling me what i alreally know.  I stated that things can be better...In both governments...... you're just showing me the reason for the differences....... Canadian government is ass backwards!!!! Giving every Tom, Dick and Harry rights, under different culture and religons. the right under the laws they believe in there counties they come from.....So maybe you are immigrated to Canada, and like the way it is....... 

That's the problem...... fixing the problem ,  the constitution is not Canada's...period! Charter of free and Rights needs to be improved! 

but hey, if you like it, then I have finish my debate with you!  

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You Americans have us pegged right from the stop. These brainwashed college students don't even pay taxes so anything they might have to say about our sad state of govn't is irrelivent.

"A man under 30 and not a liberal has no heart, but a man over 30 and still a liberal has no brains"

Sir winston Churchill.

For you Americans that don't realize that Canada is bigger than the US, people in western Canada are not liberal hypocrites. We stand next to our American brothers. Our problem is that Quebec, which is the cornerstone of anti Americanism in Canada, only voted liberal because they coddle them and give them everything they want in exchange for their votes. The best thing that could happen to Canada is if Quebec were to fuc*off on their own then we wouldn't have to put up with their incessant whinning.

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Mr. KD wrote: SamHouston wrote:
Again, someone speaks and says nothing!!! Talking about Jack s***ting or something!:D

When one can't debate or chat, then one runs from the truth..... then we see one educational back ground......... zero......better PHONE up the PM......Canadian Guy, your friends are not very good debaters...:D[bounce]


Here, have a good read. There's LOTS of words so it might take you a little while, try not to move your lips.
http://www.answers.com/topic/constitution-of-canada

After reading this you will realize your previous statement is ignorant. Here's another link regarding politics. I think it's you, SamHouston, who lacks in debating ability. You're quite good with colors and emoticons though.

http://www.answers.com/topic/canadian-and-american-politics-compared

Both of our countries have pros and cons. I think it's great that we can be proud of the countries that we live in. Our two nations are tied together in so many ways and to say that one is better than the other is a matter of opinion. To make "ignorant" remarks about constitutions or other things is silly.

The initial thread was regarding the Iraq war and why Canada didn't jump in with the US. Canada did not join the war efforts in Iraq because the Canadian government felt there was not enough evidence presented by the US to invade. I think most Canadians can agree with this and are happy with the decision not to join but at the same time saddens us when we see US&UK troops losing their lives. We were with you on 9/11 and Afganistan and when push comes to shove our two countries do come together. Canada won't blindly obey every request from your president so if that makes us anti-american then so be it.

Hey KD, do yourself a favour...  Ignore these loons...  They're lemmings...  They insist that Canadian news is propaganda and that American news is not.  (FOX isn't propaganda...   no....  not at all....  it's reliable as...  as....  as...  a pinto in a rear end collision.)

Canada is more respected now than ever before.  I applaud our government for doing the right thing.  Apparently however, these nutcases say we're wrong for defending our government.  They're right.  We're wrong.  Okay fine.  Whatever.

The bottom line is this...  As much as America thinks we owe them some debt of gratitude, we don't.  America has never helped us before and we don't need them now.  If they wanna cut trade, go right ahead.  It will be America that suffers, not Canada.  We have no problem opening up further trade with China, Russia and Korea or France or Germany, or England or Australia...  We don't need anything they have to offer.  (Especially because all they offer are corrupt governments that border on those lead by Stalin) 

I don't think there's a Canadian that's afraid of an American trade war.  Your country doesn't produce anything that I couldn't get directly from any country you have outsourced to.... 

Why argue KD?  They're chumps.  A nation full of Neo-Con chumps.  A nation of puppies lead by one drunken dog.  And we all know what happens to dogs...  They get beaten.[bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce] 

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VonHeaterbox wrote: You Americans have us pegged right from the stop. These brainwashed college students don't even pay taxes so anything they might have to say about our sad state of govn't is irrelivent.

"A man under 30 and not a liberal has no heart, but a man over 30 and still a liberal has no brains"

Sir winston Churchill.

For you Americans that don't realize that Canada is bigger than the US, people in western Canada are not liberal hypocrites. We stand next to our American brothers. Our problem is that Quebec, which is the cornerstone of anti Americanism in Canada, only voted liberal because they coddle them and give them everything they want in exchange for their votes. The best thing that could happen to Canada is if Quebec were to f***off on their own then we wouldn't have to put up with their incessant whinning.

If you like America so much...  Move there.  Enlist.  Join the US Military.  Join up and die.  That's what my cousin did.  He joined up and died.  He's dead.  He's [url=mailto:F@#$ing]F@#$ing[/url] dead.  So join the service.  Join up and die!!! 

I actually don't believe for a moment that you're a Canadian.  You are some freaked out republican asswipe posing as a Canadian and you're being paid by your buddies in Washington to cause trouble.  OR!!!!!!!!!!!!  You really are just a DICK!

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The Americans wern't angry at Canada for not joining the war in Iraq because they knew the liberals have been destroying our military for the last 20 years and we really didn't have anyone to send. They would have been happy if we could have sent a field hospital or something along those lines. What they're pissed off about is politicians like that pycho bitch Parrish calling their president a bastard and a moron along with her "coalition of idiots" comments. That was to much and the Americans are justified in retaliating in anyway they see fit to get these dumb fuc*s up here to open their eyes and shut their big mouths if they don't have the balls to support what they're doing for the free world. So my fellow Canadian back stabbers, go straight to fuc*ing hell where you belong you bleeding heart bastards. My own countrymen now make me so sick I could hurl. You Americans are so lucky you just don't realize it. At least you can be proud of your country. I can't remember ever having reason to be proud of mine save for what our soldiers did in 2 world wars. The liberal idiots of the day make their sacrifice seem all for naught. The bastards are selling our country to the lowest bidder.

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SamHouston wrote: CanadianGuy wrote: Its a traditional Islamic law that is being allowed to settle certain types of civil disputes when both parties agree to it. The idea of "traditional" religious/cultural laws being used to settle civil disputes is not new and First Nations and Jewish people have used their traditional laws, saves the taxpayers money and everyone is happy(well maybe). It is being used on a trial basis in Ontario but I'm not sure about any other Provinces.
 

!!!!!Period.......this is not logical, this is not how you run a country under, "traditional"religious/ cultures this is how you're going to destory, a culture.....THE CANADIAN CULTURE!   Air India bombing is one fact in the forefront right now that proves this....... When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {f***ed} screwed up Canada,   good !!!!

Again he speaks and say nothing! Yes, you have more things in common with Castro and Stalin,  I'll give you credit , where credit is do!!!!!:D[bounce]

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VonHeaterbox wrote: You Americans have us pegged right from the stop. These brainwashed college students don't even pay taxes so anything they might have to say about our sad state of govn't is irrelivent.

"A man under 30 and not a liberal has no heart, but a man over 30 and still a liberal has no brains"

Sir winston Churchill.

For you Americans that don't realize that Canada is bigger than the US, people in western Canada are not liberal hypocrites. We stand next to our American brothers. Our problem is that Quebec, which is the cornerstone of anti Americanism in Canada, only voted liberal because they coddle them and give them everything they want in exchange for their votes. The best thing that could happen to Canada is if Quebec were to f***off on their own then we wouldn't have to put up with their incessant whinning.

Such anger :( another Roszko in the making, I hope you don't own any guns

Oh and as for "people in western Canada" lets be honest here, the only province where the Tories won anything like a majority at the last election was Alberta, the west isn't the homogenous anti-Liberal block you'd like to believe.

 

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VonHeaterbox wrote: The Americans wern't angry at Canada for not joining the war in Iraq because they knew the liberals have been destroying our military for the last 20 years and we really didn't have anyone to send. They would have been happy if we could have sent a field hospital or something along those lines. What they're pissed off about is politicians like that pycho b**** Parrish calling their president a bastard and a moron along with her "coalition of idiots" comments. That was to much and the Americans are justified in retaliating in anyway they see fit to get these dumb f***s up here to open their eyes and shut their big mouths if they don't have the balls to support what they're doing for the free world. So my fellow Canadian back stabbers, go straight to f***ing hell where you belong you bleeding heart bastards. My own countrymen now make me so sick I could hurl. You Americans are so lucky you just don't realize it. At least you can be proud of your country. I can't remember ever having reason to be proud of mine save for what our soldiers did in 2 world wars. The liberal idiots of the day make their sacrifice seem all for naught. The bastards are selling our country to the lowest bidder.
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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: You Americans have us pegged right from the stop. These brainwashed college students don't even pay taxes so anything they might have to say about our sad state of govn't is irrelivent.

"A man under 30 and not a liberal has no heart, but a man over 30 and still a liberal has no brains"

Sir winston Churchill.

For you Americans that don't realize that Canada is bigger than the US, people in western Canada are not liberal hypocrites. We stand next to our American brothers. Our problem is that Quebec, which is the cornerstone of anti Americanism in Canada, only voted liberal because they coddle them and give them everything they want in exchange for their votes. The best thing that could happen to Canada is if Quebec were to f***off on their own then we wouldn't have to put up with their incessant whinning.

If you like America so much...  Move there.  Enlist.  Join the US Military.  Join up and die.  That's what my cousin did.  He joined up and died.  He's dead.  He's [url=mailto:F@#$ing]F@#$ing[/url] dead.  So join the service.  Join up and die!!! 

I actually don't believe for a moment that you're a Canadian.  You are some freaked out republican asswipe posing as a Canadian and you're being paid by your buddies in Washington to cause trouble.  OR!!!!!!!!!!!!  You really are just a DICK!

 No , my name is not Dick.....lol!!!!  Why did you bring up your family member?

You have a problem sonny? LACK OF MATURITY!

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obs wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: The Americans wern't angry at Canada for not joining the war in Iraq because they knew the liberals have been destroying our military for the last 20 years and we really didn't have anyone to send. They would have been happy if we could have sent a field hospital or something along those lines. What they're pissed off about is politicians like that pycho b**** Parrish calling their president a bastard and a moron along with her "coalition of idiots" comments. That was to much and the Americans are justified in retaliating in anyway they see fit to get these dumb f***s up here to open their eyes and shut their big mouths if they don't have the balls to support what they're doing for the free world. So my fellow Canadian back stabbers, go straight to f***ing hell where you belong you bleeding heart bastards. My own countrymen now make me so sick I could hurl. You Americans are so lucky you just don't realize it. At least you can be proud of your country. I can't remember ever having reason to be proud of mine save for what our soldiers did in 2 world wars. The liberal idiots of the day make their sacrifice seem all for naught. The bastards are selling our country to the lowest bidder.
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VonHeaterbox wrote: The Americans wern't angry at Canada for not joining the war in Iraq because they knew the liberals have been destroying our military for the last 20 years and we really didn't have anyone to send. They would have been happy if we could have sent a field hospital or something along those lines. What they're pissed off about is politicians like that pycho b**** Parrish calling their president a bastard and a moron along with her "coalition of idiots" comments. That was to much and the Americans are justified in retaliating in anyway they see fit to get these dumb f***s up here to open their eyes and shut their big mouths if they don't have the balls to support what they're doing for the free world. So my fellow Canadian back stabbers, go straight to f***ing hell where you belong you bleeding heart bastards. My own countrymen now make me so sick I could hurl. You Americans are so lucky you just don't realize it. At least you can be proud of your country. I can't remember ever having reason to be proud of mine save for what our soldiers did in 2 world wars. The liberal idiots of the day make their sacrifice seem all for naught. The bastards are selling our country to the lowest bidder.
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Go soak your head kid, i'm from Edmomton Alberta and the only reason i'm still in Canada is because I choose to be and thats one right they havn't taken away yet, at least from out hear we don't have to listen to you or your liberal so called newspapers, we  just have to support your sorry asses through "tranfer payments so you can afford to badmouth the US while we pay. As far politics goes punk,  if you think for one minite it would be the US's loss in a tradewar between us you need say no more. Your just another young dumb liberal minded Canadian whos been holding in  all that socialist smoke that was blown up his ass in college-if you got that far. Poor fuc*ing Canada!!

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Go soak your head kid, i'm from Edmomton Alberta and the only reason i'm still in Canada is because I choose to be and thats one right they havn't taken away yet, at least from out hear we don't have to listen to you or your liberal so called newspapers, we  just have to support your sorry asses through "tranfer payments so you can afford to badmouth the US while we pay. As far politics goes punk,  if you think for one minite it would be the US's loss in a tradewar between us you need say no more. Your just another young dumb liberal minded Canadian whos been holding in  all that socialist smoke that was blown up his ass in college-if you got that far. Poor f***ing Canada!!

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Go soak your head kid, i'm from Edmomton Alberta and the only reason i'm still in Canada is because I choose to be and thats one right they havn't taken away yet, at least from out hear we don't have to listen to you or your liberal so called newspapers, we  just have to support your sorry asses through "tranfer payments so you can afford to badmouth the US while we pay. As far politics goes punk,  if you think for one minite it would be the US's loss in a tradewar between us you need say no more. Your just another young dumb liberal minded Canadian whos been holding in  all that socialist smoke that was blown up his ass in college-if you got that far. Poor f***ing Canada!!

Just curious..

I hope Canada doesn't get as polorized as the US.  It seems to be infectious.

Hey, BC is a 'have' province so I don't think you are supporting us.  You are lucky with all the oil revenue and with oil prices going up you'll be rolling in it.  Does that make you look down on others?  I imagine the US loves the fact that Alberta is more conservative since that is where much of their oil comes from.  I wouldn't doubt the US encourages it as a matter of strategic interest (just a thaught.  The motive is there)

I think an all out trade war would be horrible for both countries.  It would be a lose-lose and I don't see it happening.  Worlds largest trading relationship..

Not sure who your calling dumb so I won't bother responding to that.

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obs wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: You Americans have us pegged right from the stop. These brainwashed college students don't even pay taxes so anything they might have to say about our sad state of govn't is irrelivent.

"A man under 30 and not a liberal has no heart, but a man over 30 and still a liberal has no brains"

Sir winston Churchill.

For you Americans that don't realize that Canada is bigger than the US, people in western Canada are not liberal hypocrites. We stand next to our American brothers. Our problem is that Quebec, which is the cornerstone of anti Americanism in Canada, only voted liberal because they coddle them and give them everything they want in exchange for their votes. The best thing that could happen to Canada is if Quebec were to f***off on their own then we wouldn't have to put up with their incessant whinning.

Such anger :( another Roszko in the making, I hope you don't own any guns

Oh and as for "people in western Canada" lets be honest here, the only province where the Tories won anything like a majority at the last election was Alberta, the west isn't the homogenous anti-Liberal block you'd like to believe.

 
Alberta is, the liberals still don't have a chance in hell here. Saskatchewans a different situation. The province will soon have a native majority so the NDP is probably good for them. BC? socialist to the nuts but will probably stay liberal for a while especially since their economy is flying due to the Chinese appetite for raw goods. I can't see the NDP getting in there again for a while. It will never be conservative because of the asian equation. One out of every two people in Vancouver is asian. Eastern Canada? who gives a fuc* what goes on back there. We joke about Americans all thinking the snow starts right at the 49 paralel, you clowns in Ontario and Quebec  think we can survive on poutine and maple syrop because thats what we'd be eating if the US decided to shop elsewhere. Wake up. Give your head another shake.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Alberta is, the liberals still don't have a chance in hell here. Saskatchewans a different situation. The province will soon have a native majority so the NDP is probably good for them. BC? socialist to the nuts but will probably stay liberal for a while especially since their economy is flying due to the Chinese appetite for raw goods. I can't see the NDP getting in there again for a while. It will never be conservative because of the asian equation. One out of every two people in Vancouver is asian. Eastern Canada? who gives a f*** what goes on back there. We joke about Americans all thinking the snow starts right at the 49 paralel, you clowns in Ontario and Quebec  think we can survive on poutine and maple syrop because thats what we'd be eating if the US decided to shop elsewhere. Wake up. Give your head another shake.
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I can understand canadians hating canada. They live there. But, why americans? I don't agree with things canada does. But I don't hate it.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Go soak your head kid, i'm from Edmomton Alberta and the only reason i'm still in Canada is because I choose to be and thats one right they havn't taken away yet, at least from out hear we don't have to listen to you or your liberal so called newspapers, we  just have to support your sorry asses through "tranfer payments so you can afford to badmouth the US while we pay. As far politics goes punk,  if you think for one minite it would be the US's loss in a tradewar between us you need say no more. Your just another young dumb liberal minded Canadian whos been holding in  all that socialist smoke that was blown up his ass in college-if you got that far. Poor f***ing Canada!!Hey pinhead...  I own a business.  I employ Canadian's and do far more to protect our countries sense of dignity than any other redneck like you...  GO TO AMERICA IF YOU DON"T LIKE CANADA....  LIVE THERE AWHILE AND SEE WHAT LIFE"S REALLY LIKE>>>>>  Ya big whining SISSY.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: The Americans wern't angry at Canada for not joining the war in Iraq because they knew the liberals have been destroying our military for the last 20 years and we really didn't have anyone to send. They would have been happy if we could have sent a field hospital or something along those lines. What they're pissed off about is politicians like that pycho b**** Parrish calling their president a bastard and a moron along with her "coalition of idiots" comments. That was to much and the Americans are justified in retaliating in anyway they see fit to get these dumb f***s up here to open their eyes and shut their big mouths if they don't have the balls to support what they're doing for the free world. So my fellow Canadian back stabbers, go straight to f***ing hell where you belong you bleeding heart bastards. My own countrymen now make me so sick I could hurl. You Americans are so lucky you just don't realize it. At least you can be proud of your country. I can't remember ever having reason to be proud of mine save for what our soldiers did in 2 world wars. The liberal idiots of the day make their sacrifice seem all for naught. The bastards are selling our country to the lowest bidder.Oh I see, politicians aren't alolowed freedom of speech....  Why can't a politician say what they think...  I didn't agree with Parrish but so what.  She was elected so that she could represent her constituents, and I can say with some certainty that not many disagreed with her...  As far as Bush being called a moron...  "A rose by any other name..."

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Quit your whining VanHeaterBox, if there is any province which has been the economic engine of Canada it is Ontario. We've been pullinG our weight and helping the "have not" provinces for a long time and personally I don't mind this. And like someone else said the west is not all Conservative, even the Liberals do allright in urban Alberta. If you havn't heard the news the Conservatives are headed back to the middle where they were before they went way far right (actually this was the Reformers first);
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1111464308073_18

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Meeple wrote: I can understand canadians hating canada. They live there. But, why americans? I don't agree with things canada does. But I don't hate it.
Well you should because the next terrorist attach on the US will in all likelyhood come from Canada. Our open door policy means any east Asian country sympathetic to the Palestinian cause can come in by the thousands and inundate so called big cities like Toronto where the liberal vote festers the most and voila, one liberal minority govn't on trial for lining their pockets as well as their Quebec friend's bank accounts with 250 million in tax payers money. In most civilized countries that regime would have been toast. Theres definetly something wrong with you people. Or are you just suckers for punishment.

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CanadianGuy wrote: Quit your whining VanHeaterBox, if there is any province which has been the economic engine of Canada it is Ontario. We've been pullinG our weight and helping the "have not" provinces for a long time and personally I don't mind this. And like someone else said the west is not all Conservative, even the Liberals do allright in urban Alberta. If you havn't heard the news the Conservatives are headed back to the middle where they were before they went way far right (actually this was the Reformers first);
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1111464308073_18
Don't you get it? they never were far right, its all liberal fearmongering.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Meeple wrote: I can understand canadians hating canada. They live there. But, why americans? I don't agree with things canada does. But I don't hate it.
Well you should because the next terrorist attach on the US will in all likelyhood come from Canada. Our open door policy means any east Asian country sympathetic to the Palestinian cause can come in by the thousands and inundate so called big cities like Toronto where the liberal vote festers the most and voila, one liberal minority govn't on trial for lining their pockets as well as their Quebec friend's bank accounts with 250 million in tax payers money. In most civilized countries that regime would have been toast. Theres definetly something wrong with you people. Or are you just suckers for punishment.

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Now I know for a fact that this pinhead is a republican under contract to Bush...  What tripe...  Shaddup ya big sissy!

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: Meeple wrote: I can understand canadians hating canada. They live there. But, why americans? I don't agree with things canada does. But I don't hate it.
Well you should because the next terrorist attach on the US will in all likelyhood come from Canada. Our open door policy means any east Asian country sympathetic to the Palestinian cause can come in by the thousands and inundate so called big cities like Toronto where the liberal vote festers the most and voila, one liberal minority govn't on trial for lining their pockets as well as their Quebec friend's bank accounts with 250 million in tax payers money. In most civilized countries that regime would have been toast. Theres definetly something wrong with you people. Or are you just suckers for punishment.

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Now I know for a fact that this pinhead is a republican under contract to Bush...  What tripe...  Shaddup ya big sissy!
Is that all you got? What a fluff!

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Oh boy, the great debate is on!







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Thats better. No my Liberal friends this is not fearmongering or nazi propaganda. Its called journalism, a priviledge you liberals don't have a chance to  experience.


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VonHeaterbox wrote: WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: Meeple wrote: I can understand canadians hating canada. They live there. But, why americans? I don't agree with things canada does. But I don't hate it.
Well you should because the next terrorist attach on the US will in all likelyhood come from Canada. Our open door policy means any east Asian country sympathetic to the Palestinian cause can come in by the thousands and inundate so called big cities like Toronto where the liberal vote festers the most and voila, one liberal minority govn't on trial for lining their pockets as well as their Quebec friend's bank accounts with 250 million in tax payers money. In most civilized countries that regime would have been toast. Theres definetly something wrong with you people. Or are you just suckers for punishment.

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Now I know for a fact that this pinhead is a republican under contract to Bush...  What tripe...  Shaddup ya big sissy!
Is that all you got? What a fluff!
Ummm  okay....  How about "You're a putz."

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The Reform Party took the political right way right in the Canadian political spectrum and we all know that experiment didn't work, the PC's were more slightly right of centre and are returning to that. If they don't they will never form another Government or not in a long time, Stephen Harper has alot of work to get that Reform monkey of his back. And as far as terorists go they are in our midst but hey they are not stupid and are not easy to catch. Remember the 9/11 conspirators were living in the US for a while and none came from Canada so quit propagating the paranoia that they are spilling across our borders but we are not immune and any improvements in combatting them is welcome.

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If our holier than thou liberal govn't  would co-operate with the US  on border security and our lax immigration there wouldn't be a problem but there is. When a former Jewish Prime Minister is not allowed to address a respected Canadian university there is definetly something wrong. When liberals hear anything that doesn't fit their policy the just shut it out, it can't be happening. This book speaks facts that you people simply refuse to face until they bite you in the ass. No surprise there. Go back to your thieving liberal gong show.

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Thieving Liberal gong show? Would you care to comment on the fiscally responsible PC government of Brian Mulroney? His legacy still haunts the current Conservatives. And as far as border security and immigration goes we can't be doing much worse then the US given the facts that the 9/11 conspirators were all living in the US (and did not come from Canada) and the current problems with massive numbers of illegal aliens they have in their country. Lastly I voted Conservative in the last election and have done so for many years. One of the problems we have with the party is the racist, paranoid, evangelical right-wing nutcases who infiltrated it and are smearing the Conservatives historically reasonable reputation.

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CanadianGuy wrote: Thieving Liberal gong show? Would you care to comment on the fiscally responsible PC government of Brian Mulroney? His legacy still haunts the current Conservatives. And as far as border security and immigration goes we can't be doing much worse then the US given the facts that the 9/11 conspirators were all living in the US (and did not come from Canada) and the current problems with massive numbers of illegal aliens they have in their country. Lastly I voted Conservative in the last election and have done so for many years. One of the problems we have with the party is the racist, paranoid, evangelical right-wing nutcases who infiltrated it and are smearing the Conservatives historically reasonable reputation. That reputation is being smeared by Liberal control of the media and fearmongering. Simple! BTW, Mulroneys excesses pale by comparison to the liberal corruption in Parliament. Ad scam is just the tip of the huge corrupt liberal machine.

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VonHeaterbox wrote: If our holier than thou liberal govn't  would co-operate with the US  on border security So?  We gotta do what the US says?  Yer kiddin', right? and our lax immigration...And your worried about Canada's security because... there wouldn't be a problem but there is. When a former Jewish Prime Minister What a crock...  "former PM...  Puh-Leez!!!  He did some fuc*ed up shi* in his day...  He ain't no hero.  Check your facts.is not allowed to address a respected Canadian university there is definetly something wrong. When liberals or conservatives hear anything that doesn't fit their policy the just shut it out, it can't be happening.(because it's not...  It's all in your Paxil altered brain you conservative twit.) This book speaks facts that you people simply refuse to face until they bite you in the ass. No surprise there. Go back to your thieving liberal gong show.?

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: Melvin Gibson wrote: Ren wrote: Canada_Is_The_Best_Country wrote: What's your reason of hating us? Canada nad USA are Brothers/Sisters!
Apparently bashing from Mel is a sign of affection you see... and not an element of hate. :D

 

Close, but the word is indifference.  They matter not either way.  The comments from their Prime Minister and other governmental aides are just nuisances that only show their real colors.

It's okay, we know now.
What comments?  How about some example bright eyes?
Some Americans are just plain ignorant, they think making fun of canadians is fun. They also feel betrayed becuase Canada didn't support the war in Iraq. This is because most americans are too lazy to read unbiased sources, and rely on news channels that are more worried about making money than reporting the truth. Also one station that air in the US, Fox news is basically republican party propaganda. I am an American who is proud of our heritege, but angry because certian americans use our history and ideals to get people to wrongly follow them.

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people keep saying canada doesn't need to do anything because they have america to protect them...my question is, protect them from what?

canada has managed to stay in line with the rest of the world, not alienate or bully them

they don't try and prevent homosexuals from being together, but instead wants to accept them and they don't join wars on reason that are sketchy, and that a lot of people seem to forget, turned out to be FALSE

americans are generally good people, whether they are republican, deomcrat, pro or anti war, etc. but there are some who feel as if they are superior, and this exactly where america gets its reputation as an arrogant nation of warmongerers


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I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes.  Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury.  They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests.  To ensure there will be a steady source of energy.  This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: If our holier than thou liberal govn't  would co-operate with the US  on border security So?  We gotta do what the US says?  Yer kiddin', right? and our lax immigration...And your worried about Canada's security because... there wouldn't be a problem but there is. When a former Jewish Prime Minister What a crock...  "former PM...  Puh-Leez!!!  He did some f***ed up s*** in his day...  He ain't no hero.  Check your facts.is not allowed to address a respected Canadian university there is definetly something wrong. When liberals or conservatives hear anything that doesn't fit their policy the just shut it out, it can't be happening.(because it's not...  It's all in your Paxil altered brain you conservative twit.) This book speaks facts that you people simply refuse to face until they bite you in the ass. No surprise there. Go back to your thieving liberal gong show.?Go to hell punk! Get an education. I realize its hard to do in eastern Canada but jeez at least try.

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Just like I said, nothing but brainwashed liberal Canadian punks in here. That have absolutely no idea what makes the world go round, what a bunch of dorks. Shut up already you've embarrassed freedom loving Canadians enough. For your info all that oil comes from Alberta and we'll sell it to the Americans before we sell it you 2 faced eastern bastards.

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Lets have some respect for our fellow Canadians VanHeaterBox ,that is in being respectfull of what region they are from. Most "Easterners" think more highly of Western Canadians then you may think. The nasty "anti-Quebec/eastern Canada" sentiment that comes out of the west is just as devisive as the separatist BS that comes out of Quebec. Small town rural Ontario would be pretty hard to distinguish from small town rural Alberta.

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shoegal wrote:
people keep saying canada doesn't need to do anything because they have america to protect them...my question is, protect them from what?

canada has managed to stay in line with the rest of the world, not alienate or bully them

they don't try and prevent homosexuals from being together, but instead wants to accept them and they don't join wars on reason that are sketchy, and that a lot of people seem to forget, turned out to be FALSE

americans are generally good people, whether they are republican, deomcrat, pro or anti war, etc. but there are some who feel as if they are superior, and this exactly where america gets its reputation as an arrogant nation of warmongerers


Um... I don't know if you've heard... homosexuals are allowed to be "together". And they are "accepted" here in america. Don't believe the agenda.

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I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...


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Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So?  Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska.  Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply.  It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.

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IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

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VonHeaterbox wrote: WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: VonHeaterbox wrote: If our holier than thou liberal govn't  would co-operate with the US  on border security So?  We gotta do what the US says?  Yer kiddin', right? and our lax immigration...And your worried about Canada's security because... there wouldn't be a problem but there is. When a former Jewish Prime Minister What a crock...  "former PM...  Puh-Leez!!!  He did some f***ed up s*** in his day...  He ain't no hero.  Check your facts.is not allowed to address a respected Canadian university there is definetly something wrong. When liberals or conservatives hear anything that doesn't fit their policy the just shut it out, it can't be happening.(because it's not...  It's all in your Paxil altered brain you conservative twit.) This book speaks facts that you people simply refuse to face until they bite you in the ass. No surprise there. Go back to your thieving liberal gong show.?Go to hell punk! Get an education. I realize its hard to do in eastern Canada but jeez at least try.
Shaddup ya sissy!!!!!! 

I have an education thank you very much.  As a matter of fact, I do quite well for myself.  Maybe you should get an education...  Go to Concordia... It's not a respected university you drunken nerd.  As a matter of fact I'm not sure it's even an acreddited university.  Back in 95-96 it lost it's university standing cause it was such a crummy school.  So basically Netenyahu went to a glorified high school to speak to a bunch of failed students.  If he was such a respected man then why was he not invited to speak at UofT or UBC?  I'll tell you why...  Because some of us still remember watching the news in the late 70's when the idiot was gloating over the mass graves that he was proudly bulldozzing bodies into. 

Actually it's not that hard to get a good education in eastern canada...  McGill, U of T, Dalhousie...  What's your degree in?  You must have at least a BA in leather chewing?[bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce][bounce] 


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SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Yeah the security had to be increased after 9/11 on both sides of the border.
My buddy had problems entering the US a little while ago too.  I don't see how you can blame Canada for that though. 

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IDL wrote:
SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Yeah the security had to be increased after 9/11 on both sides of the border.
My buddy had problems entering the US a little while ago too. I don't see how you can blame Canada for that though.


MEXICO is more fun anyway...they aren't so choosy. Hawaii is also a good place to get away.

Sean

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IDL wrote: SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Yeah the security had to be increased after 9/11 on both sides of the border.
My buddy had problems entering the US a little while ago too.  I don't see how you can blame Canada for that though. 

Update:  America asked Canada to increase border security and the increase occured just a few months ago.  Your dimwit president asked us to follow his stupid guidelines...  We obliged.  Blame Bush the moron, not Canadian border security.

Remember our security is much better than yours.  We don't have people trying to blow us up or fly rogue jets into buildings...  We manage to stop that crap...  Unlike some countries I know.

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WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: IDL wrote: SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Yeah the security had to be increased after 9/11 on both sides of the border.
My buddy had problems entering the US a little while ago too.  I don't see how you can blame Canada for that though. 

Update:  America asked Canada to increase border security and the increase occured just a few months ago.  Your dimwit president asked us to follow his stupid guidelines...  We obliged.  Blame Bush the moron, not Canadian border security.

Remember our security is much better than yours.  We don't have people trying to blow us up or fly rogue jets into buildings...  We manage to stop that crap...  Unlike some countries I know.

 

Canada has just made cuts to the Canadian- USA borders...this is do to the  dispute of the lumber and cattle problem ......" if they're not going to give...... we'll cut the security at the boarders"...... CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.......so now the USA has to beef up the security at the boarders, not being watched......... 

 

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SamHouston wrote: WHOOPDIE-DOO wrote: IDL wrote: SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Yeah the security had to be increased after 9/11 on both sides of the border.
My buddy had problems entering the US a little while ago too.  I don't see how you can blame Canada for that though. 

Update:  America asked Canada to increase border security and the increase occured just a few months ago.  Your dimwit president asked us to follow his stupid guidelines...  We obliged.  Blame Bush the moron, not Canadian border security.

Remember our security is much better than yours.  We don't have people trying to blow us up or fly rogue jets into buildings...  We manage to stop that crap...  Unlike some countries I know.

 

Canada has just made cuts to the Canadian- USA borders...this is do to the  dispute of the lumber and cattle problem ......" if they're not going to give...... we'll cut the security at the boarders"...... CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.......so now the USA has to beef up the security at the boarders, not being watched......... 

 
If you're right Sam...  This whole thing could be avoided if America would comply with the justice outlined by the World Court in which the states was found to be in contradiction of the free trade agreement.  America has ignored the world court and if you believe that you're correct perhaps you should inquire as to why your government will not follow the rule of law.


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Canada has just made cuts to the Canadian- USA borders...this is do to the  dispute of the lumber and cattle problem ......" if they're not going to give...... we'll cut the security at the boarders"...... CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.......so now the USA has to beef up the security at the boarders, not being watched......... 

 


Do you have a link for that?  I'm curious about it.

I guess the idea would be since the US can keep ignoring and delaying the lumber dispute (since the US makes more money the longer they wait) then we hit you where it becomes a political issue.
I'd have to read more about it..

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This same rule applies to Canadians trying to go the USA. I have a freind who was falsely convicted and found "not guilty" but was still barred entry into the USA from Canada.  Blame your 'arrest-everyone' police force.

We don't want you bringing your fat chicks up here anyways... 

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SeanCorey wrote: IDL wrote:
Meeple wrote: IDL wrote:
I think the reason we don't piss anyone off is because we don't need to.
We are entirely energy independant so we can quite happily pick and choose what we do as far as foreign policy goes. Thats why we do mostly peacekeeping.

The US on the other hand does not have this luxury. They HAVE to have troops over seas to protect their interests. To ensure there will be a steady source of energy. This, I think, is the biggest reason why the US is in the middle east to begin with.

Why else would the US be so interested in stationing troops over there, like in Saudi Arabia.



... we're drilling in alaska for our own oil... next conspiracy please...

Umm.. So? Do you think Alaska is going to supply all of your needs?
the US pumps lots of oil, not just in Alaska. Not nearly enough to meet demand though.

You think it is a conspiracy theory that the US needs oil from the middle east?
At one time the US had battle plans to seize Saudi oil fields when the Saudis were in a position where they might cut off supply. It never came to that, but the US cannot afford to lose supply and will protect it at all cost.


Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

 

This same rule applies to Canadians trying to go the USA. I have a freind who was falsely convicted and found "not guilty" but was still barred entry into the USA from Canada.  Blame your 'arrest-everyone' police force.

We don't want you bringing your fat chicks up here anyways... 

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maybe we just dont want you guys in the usa

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I don't dislike Canada at all, I do resent some of the unfounded criticism from them and I do resent the lack of respect for our Country and our President.

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Don't get too upset ANI as most Canadians have nothing against Americans and many have friends and relatives in the States. Many may disagree with your governments policies but have nothing against American citizens even if you guys did invent the mullet!

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Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Ok Sean, let me tell you a story. 30 years ago when I was a kid I was arrested and received a criminal record for smoking a little pot. I've long since been weened off but I still can't enter the US because when someone is arrested for any kind of drug in Canada the FBI receives all the info and prohibits entry. Before 9/11 all I had to do was apply for a Travel Waiver with US immigration at my local airport and for a couple of hundred bucks I could enter the US and it would be good for life. I didn't.

Since 9/11, I need to go for 3 sets of fingerprints from 3 different agencies , send off half a dozen letters and make 3 trips to the US immigration office at our local Airport

And pay $400.00 US for a card thats only good for 1 year and takes 6 months to get to me. All because I got caught smoking a joint in a bar 30 flicking years ago. So to hear that our customs agents are enforcing the same on you guys, good on you. Fun isn't it? I've since got a lawyer and have a waiver that I have to renew every 5 years. Enjoy.

and pay  $400.00  uUS

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VonHeaterbox wrote: Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!
[eyeroll] yeah like the Americans haven't been doing that to everyone else for years. Von Heaterbox's custom's policy - let my friends in even though they might have criminal records but anyone who looks even faintly Arab should be denied even if they've never so much as jaywalked in all their life.Sean

Ok Sean, let me tell you a story. 30 years ago when I was a kid I was arrested and received a criminal record for smoking a little pot. I've long since been weened off but I still can't enter the US because when someone is arrested for any kind of drug in Canada the FBI receives all the info and prohibits entry. Before 9/11 all I had to do was apply for a Travel Waiver with US immigration at my local airport and for a couple of hundred bucks I could enter the US and it would be good for life. I didn't.

Since 9/11, I need to go for 3 sets of fingerprints from 3 different agencies , send off half a dozen letters and make 3 trips to the US immigration office at our local Airport

And pay $400.00 US for a card thats only good for 1 year and takes 6 months to get to me. All because I got caught smoking a joint in a bar 30 flicking years ago. So to hear that our customs agents are enforcing the same on you guys, good on you. Fun isn't it? I've since got a lawyer and have a waiver that I have to renew every 5 years. Enjoy.

and pay  $400.00  uUS

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VonHeaterbox wrote:
Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Ok Sean, let me tell you a story. 30 years ago when I was a kid I was arrested and received a criminal record for smoking a little pot. I've long since been weened off but I still can't enter the US because when someone is arrested for any kind of drug in Canada the FBI receives all the info and prohibits entry. Before 9/11 all I had to do was apply for a Travel Waiver with US immigration at my local airport and for a couple of hundred bucks I could enter the US and it would be good for life. I didn't.

Since 9/11, I need to go for 3 sets of fingerprints from 3 different agencies , send off half a dozen letters and make 3 trips to the US immigration office at our local Airport

And pay $400.00 US for a card thats only good for 1 year and takes 6 months to get to me. All because I got caught smoking a joint in a bar 30 flicking years ago. So to hear that our customs agents are enforcing the same on you guys, good on you. Fun isn't it? I've since got a lawyer and have a waiver that I have to renew every 5 years. Enjoy.

and pay $400.00 uUS


Well if that isn't Jesus jumpin on a pogo stick?

I guess I WAS WRONG on a previous thread....there ARE long term problems associated with smoking pot!

Whoops!

Sean

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WMD found.



But in Canada.:D

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Want more?

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Ok last one.

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Alberta is the Texas of Canada. It is populated by Ultra Right Wing Cowboys.

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VonHeaterbox wrote:
Screw Canada...

Thats right and I'll tell ya why. These MORONS have been lettin my buddy go up to Vancouver with his gal and drop a few bucks and have a good time and the last time he tried to visit your worthless punkazz country THEY DENIED HIM ENTRY! Thats right ...OK he has a past and everything but that was no problem for 15 years... his money spent just fine up there and he has calmed down and dosen't scare people like he used to in his youth but NOW these cheeseheads have decided to restrict AMERICANS with records from visiting and the only way you find out is to drive for three fyuckin hours to Blaine and some puss border gaurd says you don't qualify anymore. Oh ya THAT makes perfect sense! Let the terrorist in but deny Americans..Screw you Canadians! We'll party somewhere else!

Sean

Ok Sean, let me tell you a story. 30 years ago when I was a kid I was arrested and received a criminal record for smoking a little pot. I've long since been weened off but I still can't enter the US because when someone is arrested for any kind of drug in Canada the FBI receives all the info and prohibits entry. Before 9/11 all I had to do was apply for a Travel Waiver with US immigration at my local airport and for a couple of hundred bucks I could enter the US and it would be good for life. I didn't.

Since 9/11, I need to go for 3 sets of fingerprints from 3 different agencies , send off half a dozen letters and make 3 trips to the US immigration office at our local Airport

And pay $400.00 US for a card thats only good for 1 year and takes 6 months to get to me. All because I got caught smoking a joint in a bar 30 flicking years ago. So to hear that our customs agents are enforcing the same on you guys, good on you. Fun isn't it? I've since got a lawyer and have a waiver that I have to renew every 5 years. Enjoy.

and pay $400.00 uUS


If you're gonna be stupid you gotta be tough, or rich.

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The offspring wrote: Alberta is the Texas of Canada. It is populated by Ultra Right Wing Cowboys.Not so, Im from Bathurst NewBrunswick but I've been in Alberta for 25 years and this place has more Maritimers than you can imagine . Redneck! if you've never been here you can't knock it, go fuc* your hat.

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VonHeaterbox wrote:
The offspring wrote: Alberta is the Texas of Canada. It is populated by Ultra Right Wing Cowboys.Not so, Im from Bathurst NewBrunswick but I've been in Alberta for 25 years and this place has more Maritimers than you can imagine . Redneck! if you've never been here you can't knock it, go f*** your hat.


Actually I used to live in Alberta. I lived in Whitecourt for a while and I lived outside of Red Deer.

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SamHouston wrote: CanadianGuy wrote: Its a traditional Islamic law that is being allowed to settle certain types of civil disputes when both parties agree to it. The idea of "traditional" religious/cultural laws being used to settle civil disputes is not new and First Nations and Jewish people have used their traditional laws, saves the taxpayers money and everyone is happy(well maybe). It is being used on a trial basis in Ontario but I'm not sure about any other Provinces.
 

!!!!!Period.......this is not logical, this is not how you run a country under, "traditional"religious/ cultures this is how you're going to destory, a culture.....THE CANADIAN CULTURE!   Air India bombing is one fact in the forefront right now that proves this....... When a person comes to North America it's usually to get away from theire counrty.... and make a new start.....not to change the way of life in another culture......if they don't like the culture of North America then head back home.....period.

Sorry, Canada constitution was one man with an ego problem, that's his goals were devein by his sexuality, in that I believe he was gay........his judgement has {f***ed} screwed up Canada,   good !!!!

 

Sam - apart of the Native Americans there is not such thning as Canadian culture. Yeah sorry there is one eating pouteen, playing hockey (that wasn't even invented by Canadians), and going to stripers

Apart of this they fuc*ing they care about any education or culture (80% don't know what holocaust was about) all they want is bring the biggest part of immigrants to make them work for them country>it's just a good plan for them economy

But insead you will rarely see a latino, russian, or arab in the media as you use to see in US, the majority are non immigrants.. How strange:))
 

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Asia wrote: SamHouston wrote: CanadianGuy wrote: Its a traditional Islamic law that is being allowed to settle certain types of civil disputes when both parties agree to it. The idea of "traditional" religious/cultural laws being used to settle civil disputes is not new and First Nations and Jewish people have used their traditional laws, saves the taxpayers money and everyone is happy(well maybe). It is being used on a trial basis in Ontario but I'm not sure about any other Provinces.
 

!!!!!Period.......this is not logical, this is not how you run a country under, "traditional"religious/ cultures this is how you're going to destory, a culture.....THE CANADIAN CULTURE!   Air India bombing is one fact in the forefron