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The one who knows all Member 
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Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything? The G8 nations or for that matter all nation do not do enough. Compared to the donations and help given to the tsunami victims, its nothing compared to the help and money given to Africans. Tsunami killed 300 000 people, the famine, disease and poverty kille millions of Africans every year. |
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yoshimi Member 
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Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption. your right though the G8 nations don't do enough, and hopefully this will change after the summit this summer. |
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unclepercy Member 
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The reverse notion could be presented: Why doesn't Africa care about itself? They go about spreading AIDS, knowing what causes it, and not caring. They have children they can't support, and yet they don't practice birth control. This is a solution that must come from within Africa itself. No amount of money can erase learned helplessness. Uncle |
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greenguy Member 
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unclepercy wrote: The reverse notion could be presented: Why doesn't Africa care about itself? They go about spreading AIDS, knowing what causes it, and not caring. They have children they can't support, and yet they don't practice birth control. Well, I would not be so sure that all Africans understand AIDs. They do not, for the most party, have any basic education systems. It is probably more to do with culture than anything else; if the average African thought like the average American/European-type, perhaps things would be different. |
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SCREAMING BEEF Member 
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Africa is the result of when colonialism goes wrong. Most of their problems and political infighting can be traced back to colonialism, where imperial powers sliced up Africa like a big pizza, with no regard to ethnic ,cultural, or religious lines whatsoever. The people of Africa should have determined their counrtries not the Imperialist. Anyways I think that the problems in Africa can be solved by installing democratic governments on the continent. But I don't think this should be done the way Bush does it, by invading a country and spreading democracy at gunpoint. Democratic reform should be brought about peacefully or by domestic forces inside the counrty. Either way, i think it's going to be while before we see Africa start to prosper. |
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coldfish Member 
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As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, future |
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SCREAMING BEEF Member
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coldfish wrote: As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, futureWhy would you want to cut funding to the distribution of condoms? So far I think it's the best chance we have at combating aids in Africa. Cut funding for the promotion of condom usage and the fear is that aids levels will go up, not down. |
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greenguy Member
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I recall, from an episode of Oprah, that a large portion of the HIV distribution is due to wide spread lawlessness, especially rape. She chronicled some stories of woman who have been brutally raped by outlaws who then passed HIV onto them. |
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SCREAMING BEEF wrote: coldfish wrote:In many areas of Africa, they wouldn't even know what a condom is!As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, futureWhy would you want to cut funding to the distribution of condoms? So far I think it's the best chance we have at combating aids in Africa. Cut funding for the promotion of condom usage and the fear is that aids levels will go up, not down. |
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SCREAMING BEEF Member
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Minnie_da_Moocher wrote: SCREAMING BEEF wrote:That's one reason why we should step the funding for condom usage, not cut it back.coldfish wrote:In many areas of Africa, they wouldn't even know what a condom is!As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, futureWhy would you want to cut funding to the distribution of condoms? So far I think it's the best chance we have at combating aids in Africa. Cut funding for the promotion of condom usage and the fear is that aids levels will go up, not down. |
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freedomboy Member
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yoshimi wrote: Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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freedomboy Member
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SCREAMING BEEF wrote: Africa is the result of when colonialism goes wrong. Most of their problems and political infighting can be traced back to colonialism, where imperial powers sliced up Africa like a big pizza, with no regard to ethnic ,cultural, or religious lines whatsoever. The people of Africa should have determined their counrtries not the Imperialist.Well then it is not going to happen, their is no domestic support for democracy in Africa to speak of other than a couple school teacher here and there. I will say this for the British: They did try to leave democracy in Africa when they pulled out, but it was just too big of a job. And, don''t worry their is no way in hell we would ever go in to Africa no matter what happens. I don't care how many promises Clinton made. |
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SCREAMING BEEF Member
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freedomboy wrote: SCREAMING BEEF wrote:There is support for democracy. Many groups in various African countries have been pushing for democratic reform in the region. Perhaps domestic support for democracy could be spread the same way support for democracy eventually spread throughout the Soviet Union, although not as hard lined.Africa is the result of when colonialism goes wrong. Most of their problems and political infighting can be traced back to colonialism, where imperial powers sliced up Africa like a big pizza, with no regard to ethnic ,cultural, or religious lines whatsoever. The people of Africa should have determined their counrtries not the Imperialist.Well then it is not going to happen, their is no domestic support for democracy in Africa to speak of other than a couple school teacher here and there. I will say this for the British: They did try to leave democracy in Africa when they pulled out, but it was just too big of a job. And, don''t worry their is no way in hell we would ever go in to Africa no matter what happens. I don't care how many promises Clinton made. |
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The one who knows all Member
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freedomboy wrote: yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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freedomboy Member
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The one who knows all wrote: freedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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freedomboy wrote: The one who knows all wrote:bumpfreedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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freedomboy Member
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freedomboy wrote: freedomboy wrote:The one who knows all wrote:bumpfreedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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freedomboy Member
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freedomboy wrote: freedomboy wrote:freedomboy wrote:The one who knows all wrote:bumpfreedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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The one who knows all Member
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freedomboy wrote: The one who knows all wrote:When I say help, I mean help in anyway possible, and that also means helping in such away that would see military involvement. I know this sound very bush, but what else can the world do. We cannot just sit back and watch Africa suffer. We as citizens of the world can not let them die from disease, famine and evil corrupt governments. First country to dethrone their corrupt government should be Zimbabwe and their president, president Mugabe.freedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order. When Bill Clinton sent in troops to stop the genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo, you saw how ferocious senate Republicans were over our getting involved in soverign affairs of other countries, right? With Kosovo, it was a matter of securing the purpose and future of NATO, but what legitimate excuse or goal was there for American involvement in Rwanda? Have you seen Hotel Rwanda? You should. (strangely enough, you might actually have a deeper respect for the dutch too) |
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Africa should never have left the Great British Empire, ever since they have their country has crumbled into poverty and corruption. I believe that Britain should make an offer that if Africa re-joined the Empire more aid will be provided. I also believe that narrowminded people would not feels so neglectant to providing financial aid to another mamber of British territory. But what can beleifs do, when slow egg heads with limited perspectives run the country... |
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yoshimi Member
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Prez_Bush_iz_oriible wrote: Africa should never have left the Great British Empire, ever since they have their country has crumbled into poverty and corruption. are you serious?? sorry I don't mean to be rude or pedantic but you do know Africa isn't a country don't you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa. Also Britain wasn't the only colonial power in Africa....Germany,France,Italy,Holland,Belgium,Spain and Portugal are all partly responsible for the mess Africa's in now, (some moreso than others obviously). I believe that Britain should make an offer that if Africa re-joined the Empire more aid will be provided. I also believe that narrowminded people would not feels so neglectant to providing financial aid to another mamber of British territory. But what can beleifs do, when slow egg heads with limited perspectives run the country...
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freedomboy Member
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yoshimi wrote: Prez_Bush_iz_oriible wrote:The African can't continue to blame the Europeans for their problem in perpetuity. The British left them in much better shape than they are today. They have no one to blame but themselves. I am citing the British because of all the European colonialist, they tried the hardest to do the right thing.Africa should never have left the Great British Empire, ever since they have their country has crumbled into poverty and corruption.are you serious?? sorry I don't mean to be rude or pedantic but you do know Africa isn't a country don't you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa. Also Britain wasn't the only colonial power in Africa....Germany,France,Italy,Holland,Belgium,Spain and Portugal are all partly responsible for the mess Africa's in now, (some moreso than others obviously).I believe that Britain should make an offer that if Africa re-joined the Empire more aid will be provided. I also believe that narrowminded people would not feels so neglectant to providing financial aid to another mamber of British territory. But what can beleifs do, when slow egg heads with limited perspectives run the country... |
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iyankum Member
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well, unless they can get some white males to run their country they're screwed |
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freedomboy, You and I have agreed on more than one thing. We must think alike. Reckon it's because I'm 1/2 Canjun? But I'm adopted. Even so, I was raised by a French Lousiana mother. Africa is just going to get a grip on their own reins. What did we have when we came to this country a few hundred years ago? Nothing. Pssst - What has Africa done for the world? What? - no Nobel prizes, no humanitarian relief for others, no great mathematicians, no great literature, no contributions of any proportional value? Sometimes there are things others cannot do for you; you have to do them for yourself. The greatest sense of dignity comes from self-accomplishment and not a hand-out. Uncle |
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freedomboy Member
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The one who knows all wrote: freedomboy wrote:Can't you hear it, that is the sound of American cities burning. That would be the result of American military intervention in Africa. During our intervention in Somalia, I was starting to hear, " racist genocide." We have black politicians in this country that would try to build a reputation on resisting intervention in Africa.The one who knows all wrote:When I say help, I mean help in anyway possible, and that also means helping in such away that would see military involvement. I know this sound very bush, but what else can the world do. We cannot just sit back and watch Africa suffer. We as citizens of the world can not let them die from disease, famine and evil corrupt governments. First country to dethrone their corrupt government should be Zimbabwe and their president, president Mugabe.freedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. |
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Education at the local level is the answer and a regional intervention force supported by wealthier nations would be a good way of preventing more Rwandas, Liberias and Sedans. My experience in the UN there, Rwanda and Congo, was that it is a positive influence, but was not well organized and supported. Corruption is probably the biggest problem that Africa has to overcome, but I think educating people that they don't have to pay local political people to get things done is the first step. People over there want to have democracy, but they are so use to having little or no power that they don't know they can fight for it. It's kind of like in the US where we are so use to our old republic form of government, we don't want to change it to make it better. It works okay why mess with it. Its entrenched. Only when there is a civil war or an uprising of tribalism is when things change. And in the mean time millions are dieing of Malaria, AIDS and starvation. I lost a lot of friends and colleagues to AIDS. I'd say at least 20% of the people in Rwanda had AIDs when I was there. The rest of the world cannot just continue to turn a blind eye to the dieing people there. We should be ashamed. Hotel Rwanda is a pretty good movie, just watched it last weekend. I spent a few days and nights in that place from 1995/8, they have a good restaurant and nightclub on the upper level. It's too bad they couldn't have used the real location to do the filming though. It'd didn't have that authentic feeling for me. |
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freedomboy wrote: The one who knows all wrote:I disagree. The genocide in Rwanda could have been stopped pretty quick, with I think a minimal amount of risk to the intervening forces. The Hutu militia groups were rag tag, disorganized and undisciplined. When the RPF came in from Uganda it only took 3 months for them to take over the country and they were just a small rebel force. A battalion or two of airborne troops or Marines could have taken out the interahamwe real quick and set up sanctuaries for the Tutsis, then handed over to a multinational force to sort out the new government.It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order. When I say help, I mean help in anyway possible, and that also means helping in such away that would see military involvement. I know this sound very bush, but what else can the world do. We cannot just sit back and watch Africa suffer. We as citizens of the world can not let them die from disease, famine and evil corrupt governments. First country to dethrone their corrupt government should be Zimbabwe and their president, president Mugabe.Can't you hear it, that is the sound of American cities burning. That would be the result of American military intervention in Africa. During our intervention in Somalia, I was starting to hear, " racist genocide." We have black politicians in this country that would try to build a reputation on resisting intervention in Africa. Last edited on Fri Jun 24th, 2005 04:55 am by jeffersonCarter |
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The one who knows all Member
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unclepercy wrote: freedomboy,Wow another poster who does not check their facts before they post. If I recall, a Kenyan woman won the Nobel peace prize last year, her name was WANGARI MAATHAI. |
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unclepercy wrote: freedomboy,I love my uncle. |
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freedomboy Member
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The one who knows all wrote: unclepercy wrote:What did she win it for?freedomboy,Wow another poster who does not check their facts before they post. If I recall, a Kenyan woman won the Nobel peace prize last year, her name was WANGARI MAATHAI. |
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freedomboy Member
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jeffersonCarter wrote: freedomboy wrote:I think our troops could handle the dangers there, of course one always has to expect causalities. It is the home front that we would have to worry about.The one who knows all wrote:I disagree. The genocide in Rwanda could have been stopped pretty quick, with I think a minimal amount of risk to the intervening forces. The Hutu militia groups were rag tag, disorganized and undisciplined. When the RPF came in from Uganda it only took 3 months for them to take over the country and they were just a small rebel force. A battalion or two of airborne troops or Marines could have taken out the interahamwe real quick and set up sanctuaries for the Tutsis, then handed over to a multinational force to sort out the new government.It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order. When I say help, I mean help in anyway possible, and that also means helping in such away that would see military involvement. I know this sound very bush, but what else can the world do. We cannot just sit back and watch Africa suffer. We as citizens of the world can not let them die from disease, famine and evil corrupt governments. First country to dethrone their corrupt government should be Zimbabwe and their president, president Mugabe.Can't you hear it, that is the sound of American cities burning. That would be the result of American military intervention in Africa. During our intervention in Somalia, I was starting to hear, " racist genocide." We have black politicians in this country that would try to build a reputation on resisting intervention in Africa. |
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Africa is a breeding ground for political criminal leaders to take advantage of...it,s every man for himself.....however they are still going to need funds, stopping funds because of currupt regimes will not help, but send it further in the gutter. There is a way to make sure live aids are properly spent in Africa....the highest trustworthy power should get rid of the currupt leaders that are laying their greasy palms on funds, then some form of order should be able to established. Men that are hiv infected and are committing rape and spreading this infectious disease to their own African people, should be locked up for several years, or given order abstinence from sex until they can be trusted or be freed. Someone posted that the greatest sense of dignity comes from self-acomplishment and not a hand out...are you for real? someone got to get a head start. Tell that to the tsunami victims....if they did not receive sufficient funds which they still are getting from around the world how do you think they would cope. |
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freedomboy, I am laughing my booty off. Here is a direct quote: Wangari Maathai – Biography "she introduced the idea of planting trees with the people in 1976 and continued to develop it into broad-based, grassroots organization whose main focus is the planting of trees with women groups in order to conserve the environment and improve their quality of life." That's what for.....think it beats our cure for diabetes? HA HA!!! Bring it on, freedomboy----->let's hear more from you. Uncle |
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The one who knows all Member
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unclepercy wrote: freedomboy, She actually planted 10 million trees in Africa, to stop the extinction of forest in Kenya, which I think she achieved. Wangari is also a vivid human rights campaigner, and advocate for peace and democracy. Wangari is the Kenyan deputy environmentalist minister. Joining her as one of Africa’s Nobel Prize winners are, Nelson Mandela (peace), John Michael Coetzee (literature), Kofi Annan (peace), Fredrik Willem De Klerk (peace), Desmond Mpilo Tutu (peace), Albert John Lutuli (peace), Nadine Gordimer (literature), Toni Morrison (literature), Alan M. Cormack (medicine). They you go my Uncle; they are some of the Africans that have won the Nobel Peace Prize. And I suppose there many more Africans that have achieved many great things, which have not received a Nobel Prize, but have contributed to the world in some way. |
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£220bn stolen by Nigeria's corrupt rulers By David Blair in Abuja (Filed: 25/06/2005) The scale of the task facing Tony Blair in his drive to help Africa was laid bare yesterday when it emerged that Nigeria's past rulers stole or misused £220 billion. That is as much as all the western aid given to Africa in almost four decades. The looting of Africa's most populous country amounted to a sum equivalent to 300 years of British aid for the continent. Gen Sani Abacha Former leader Gen Sani Abacha stole between £1bn and £3bn The figures, compiled by Nigeria's anti-corruption commission, provide dramatic evidence of the problems facing next month's summit in Gleneagles of the G8 group of wealthy countries which are under pressure to approve a programme of debt relief for Africa. Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, has spoken of a new Marshall Plan for Africa. But Nigeria's rulers have already pocketed the equivalent of six Marshall Plans. After that mass theft, two thirds of the country's 130 million people - one in seven of the total African population - live in abject poverty, a third is illiterate and 40 per cent have no safe water supply. With more people and more natural resources than any other African country, Nigeria is the key to the continent's success. Mallam Nuhu Ribadu, the chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, set up three years ago, said that £220 billion was "squandered" between independence from Britain in 1960 and the return of civilian rule in 1999. "We cannot be accurate down to the last figure but that is our projection," Osita Nwajah, a commission spokesman, said in the capital, Abuja. The stolen fortune tallies almost exactly with the £220 billion of western aid given to Africa between 1960 and 1997. That amounted to six times the American help given to post-war Europe under the Marshall Plan. British aid for Africa totalled £720 million last year. If that sum was spent annually for the next three centuries, it would cover the cost of Nigeria's looting. Corruption on such a scale was made possible by the country's possession of 35 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. That allowed a succession of military rulers to line their pockets and deposit their gains mainly in western banks. Gen Sani Abacha, the late military dictator, stole between £1 billion and £3 billion during his five-year rule. "We are only now beginning to come to grips with some of what he did," Mr Nwajah said. Nigeria has scoured the world for Abacha's assets but has recovered only about £500 million. Olusegun Obasanjo, the current president, founded the commission and launched a crackdown on corruption to try to end the country's reputation as Africa's most venal. The figures all apply to the period before he came to power. The amount of money involved has prompted the Government to seek ways to enhance Britain's ability to help developing countries recover stolen funds. In the autumn the Government will introduce legislation to pave the way for British ratification of the United Nations convention against corruption. A money laundering directive agreed by EU finance ministers this month will impose new responsibilities on banks, casinos and other establishments to be more alert to signs of corruption. They will be expected to help stamp out financial abuse by high-risk customers in a position to abuse public office for private gain. Mr Obasanjo will travel to the G8 summit to press the case for debt relief. Nigeria is Africa's biggest debtor, with loans of almost £20 billion, because previous rulers not only looted the country but also borrowed heavily against future oil revenues. The G8 has refused to cancel Nigeria's loans, despite writing off the debts of 14 other African countries this month. Prof Pat Utomi, of Lagos Business School, said that was the right decision. "Who is to say you won't see the same behaviour again if it is all written off?" he said. david.blair@telegraph.co.uk http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/25/wnig25.xml |
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Good. The more Africa's "corrupt" rulers steal, the more of it will trickle down to the people through the leaders' spending. Reaganomics, anyone? |
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AHA! Another poster who didn't check his facts. Toni Morrison is American, born in Ohio. Proportionally, given the size of Africa and its population, they have contributed very little to humankind. They have taken far more than they have given. Your first example <Maathai> simply did what I suggested: The greatest sense of dignity comes from self-accomplishment and not a hand-out. Bill Cosby supports that notion. See what he says: "I am talking about parenting. It is time for us to turn the mirror around. We have to take back the neighborhood." Link: http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/100283.html "Where is Africa's contributions to mathematics, microbiology, nuclear physics, electrical engineering, medical advancements, new drug development, chemical engineering, etc.? Uncle |
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unclepercy wrote:AHA! Another poster who didn't check his facts. Toni Morrison is American, born in Ohio. Proportionally, given the size of Africa and its population, they have contributed very little to humankind. They have taken far more than they have given. Which is all the more reason for a massive aid program to Africa. Once they develop economically, they will contribute more to the world in return. |
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unclepercy wrote: AHA! Another poster who didn't check his facts. Toni Morrison is American, born in Ohio. Proportionally, given the size of Africa and its population, they have contributed very little to humankind. They have taken far more than they have given. Well I did make a mistake with Toni Morrison, but the rest if the Nobel winners are either born or live in Africa! You and I do not know the entire history of Africa, and what the people of Africa have achieved! Africans have made contributions to medicine, and have won Nobel Prizes. These people include Max Theiler who was born in Africa and now is a resident in the US. Alan M. Cormack was also born in Africa and is also a resident in the US. As Cicero said, if Africa develops an economy, and an affiant one, people in Africa will have a much better chance of contributing to the world! Also it should not matter if the African people have or have not contributed to the world as much of the rest of us, they are human just like us, and deserve a better way of life. |
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Cicero wrote: Good. The more Africa's "corrupt" rulers steal, the more of it will trickle down to the people through the leaders' spending. Reaganomics, anyone?Yes, but the people line in Switzerland and are mostly rich bankers. |
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unclepercy wrote: freedomboy,That might be helpful If they were banana trees. What the women of African could use would be a million lady smiths so they could blow the testicles off rapist. That might slow aids down a bit. |
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unclepercy wrote: AHA! Another poster who didn't check his facts. Toni Morrison is American, born in Ohio. Proportionally, given the size of Africa and its population, they have contributed very little to humankind. They have taken far more than they have given. Unclepercy ignorance is surely bliss....I,ve got friends from Nigeria one of them both parents are in medical, the dad doctor, the mom scientist, and yes they travel regularly to Africa and contribute, but you will not see this on telly, if a white or other did the same the whole world would be able to bear witness. Also this other Nigerian person which mom is also a scientist, have discovered lots of new ideas and medicines, she was befriended by british scientists, and several years later all her ideas were stolen, and was told to john public that it was their idea! She tried to fight the claim but obviously she lost, afterall they are stronger. Lots of people from underprivilegde background are there fighting for rights, there are lots of African doctors ,and scientist contributing my friend but, it is not shown to the world. |
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freedomboy wrote:Cicero wrote:Good. The more Africa's "corrupt" rulers steal, the more of it will trickle down to the people through the leaders' spending. Reaganomics, anyone?Yes, but the people line in Switzerland and are mostly rich bankers. So maybe impose capital controls? Last edited on Sat Jun 25th, 2005 08:09 pm by Cicero |
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The one who knows all wrote: freedomboy wrote:The one who knows all wrote:When I say help, I mean help in anyway possible, and that also means helping in such away that would see military involvement. I know this sound very bush, but what else can the world do. We cannot just sit back and watch Africa suffer. We as citizens of the world can not let them die from disease, famine and evil corrupt governments. First country to dethrone their corrupt government should be Zimbabwe and their president, president Mugabe.freedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. Find oil caches the size of Iraq then bush will help out no questions asked |
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Since hunger is prominent in certain parts of Africa people are refering to...food is first, people cannot think on empty stomach, muchless contribute to biochemist and bull, feeding is paramount! then anything else is good. I personally think that giving farming equipments, water, seeds or things to plant is a proper way to start, but first the leaders must sort out the land issues, how it will be divided, wether by bordering or selling, or else they will have started farming on captured land and later on the real owner rage war and they are back to square one. |
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I feel I must apologise to those that read my words. I have just recently taught myself to touch type. What I need now is practise. I have noticed that I have been leaving words out and typing the wrong letter. I will try harder and I will never give up. I appreciate you your Patience. |
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No need for ''apology'' you will soon get the hang of it! |
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Africa is probably the most mineral rich continent in the world. Almost every country in Africa has something. There is no excuse for their poverty. However, I have no solutions. I feel sorry for them, so I just try to not think about it |
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freedomboy wrote: Africa is probably the most mineral rich continent in the world. Almost every country in Africa has something. There is no excuse for their poverty. However, I have no solutions. I feel sorry for them, so I just try to not think about itThere is an excuse for there poverty, and that is their corrupt governments will not share the spoils of the riches that Africa harbours to the general African population. |
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The one who knows all wrote: Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?You are right. Media is not interested in people, who REALLY has problems. So far they are not white people!!! Hypocrisy is todays word!!! |
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The one who knows all wrote: bumpHere we are again! The more important subject the less people are talking about it. Have you seen that how big kicks people can get, if they are writing something about Iraq!!! It's because of American media mafia. Media have brainwashed people to believe that all the world exist in Iraq today!! |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: The one who knows all wrote:bumpHere we are again! The more important subject the less people are talking about it. Have you seen that how big kicks people can get, if they are writing something about Iraq!!! It's because of American media mafia. Media have brainwashed people to believe that all the world exist in Iraq today!! I know, I am so over Iraq and bush. It has been over discussed. There haven’t been any new developments on that issue for yonks! I always try and find, or create topics of interest other then Iraq or president bush and Iraq. Its getting can be boring sometimes. |
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The one who knows all wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:Biggest terrorist in this world is FOX TV-channel. Here in Finland was a interesting TV-program about American propaganda and media mafia. FOX-TVchannel had a keyposition how to brainwash people and how they were willing to give votes for Bush again!!! It's very easy to manipulate Americans. They have been brainwashed in most horrible way we can imagine. Americans really believe that hate is something normal and how they think about the world and people is normal!! They think that they are not abnormal!!!The one who knows all wrote:bumpHere we are again! The more important subject the less people are talking about it. Have you seen that how big kicks people can get, if they are writing something about Iraq!!! It's because of American media mafia. Media have brainwashed people to believe that all the world exist in Iraq today!! |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: The one who knows all wrote:Matti (FIN) wrote:Biggest terrorist in this world is FOX TV-channel. Here in Finland was a interesting TV-program about American propaganda and media mafia. FOX-TVchannel had a keyposition how to brainwash people and how they were willing to give votes for Bush again!!! It's very easy to manipulate Americans. They have been brainwashed in most horrible way we can imagine. Americans really believe that hate is something normal and how they think about the world and people is normal!! They think that they are not abnormal!!!The one who knows all wrote:bumpHere we are again! The more important subject the less people are talking about it. Have you seen that how big kicks people can get, if they are writing something about Iraq!!! It's because of American media mafia. Media have brainwashed people to believe that all the world exist in Iraq today!! Dont worry, they cons (brainwashed Americans) will realise how stupid they are when the notice the rest of the world laughing at them. Any ways back on topic. Does anyone think Bob Goldolf is a crumpy old has-been? He seems to be in a bad mood all the time, he looks mangy and scruffy, and do you think he really can help Africa? |
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The one who knows all wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:He has probably been thinking about Africa too much. He should do himself a favor and forget about it. It is hopeless.The one who knows all wrote:Matti (FIN) wrote:Biggest terrorist in this world is FOX TV-channel. Here in Finland was a interesting TV-program about American propaganda and media mafia. FOX-TVchannel had a keyposition how to brainwash people and how they were willing to give votes for Bush again!!! It's very easy to manipulate Americans. They have been brainwashed in most horrible way we can imagine. Americans really believe that hate is something normal and how they think about the world and people is normal!! They think that they are not abnormal!!!The one who knows all wrote:bumpHere we are again! The more important subject the less people are talking about it. Have you seen that how big kicks people can get, if they are writing something about Iraq!!! It's because of American media mafia. Media have brainwashed people to believe that all the world exist in Iraq today!! |
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SCREAMING BEEF wrote:Africa is the result of when colonialism goes wrong. Most of their problems and political infighting can be traced back to colonialism, where imperial powers sliced up Africa like a big pizza, with no regard to ethnic ,cultural, or religious lines whatsoever. The people of Africa should have determined their counrtries not the Imperialist. There is some truth in what you say..The Belgians were teh worst in preparing the colonies for independence...the Brits were much better in that they at least put a system of local govt in place... |
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unclepercy wrote: freedomboy, OHO! It looks to be so that if Africa is not going to give a nobelpricewinner for the world in next few years then all Africans diserves deadpenalty! But if America will continue shooting people ![[barf]](/forums/themes/default/vomit-smiley-015.gif) blindly all over the world they don't diserve deadpenalty?![[confused]](/forums/themes/default/confused-smiley-001.gif) Or what do you mean?? |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: unclepercy wrote:What can be done about it? Nothing can be done about it. You can make some African millionaires much wealthier, but the lives of the ordinary people will not be touched. It would take some overwhelming force to impose order, crush corruption and build millions of schools a and force children to attend. Liberals all ways want things to happen by magic. It does not work that way. ........ I can assure you one thing it will not be the US that goes to Africa. We will stay out of Africa, thank god. Who would wants to get in to that slime pit.freedomboy, |
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freedomboy wrote: ............... ........ I can assure you one thing it will not be the US that goes to Africa. We will stay out of Africa, thank god. Who would wants to get in to that slime pit. Apparently some American's can't wait to get there.  According to this guy ( http://www.michelvanrijn.nl/artnews/willis/willis2.htm ), she has shut down her site but he has saved it on his own server for prosterity. http://www.michelvanrijn.nl/artnews/willis/1Nok,%20Sokoto%20and%20Katsina%20statuary%20-%20Ryann%20Willis%20-%20Premium%20Offerings.htm |
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freedomboy wrote:Africa is probably the most mineral rich continent in the world. Almost every country in Africa has something. There is no excuse for their poverty. However, I have no solutions. I feel sorry for them, so I just try to not think about it I think this is how most Americans feel. We all see the despair but have no clue on how to help fix the problem so we just choose to not think about it.  |
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ircontrite wrote: freedomboy wrote:I can't see why anyone outside of that culture would have the slightest interest in these things................ ........ I can assure you one thing it will not be the US that goes to Africa. We will stay out of Africa, thank god. Who would wants to get in to that slime pit. Last edited on Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 03:47 pm by freedomboy |
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SCREAMING BEEF wrote: coldfish wrote:Young men in Africa laugh at condoms. They have no fear of AIDS all they have to do to be cured is to rape a virgin, so they think.As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, futureWhy would you want to cut funding to the distribution of condoms? So far I think it's the best chance we have at combating aids in Africa. Cut funding for the promotion of condom usage and the fear is that aids levels will go up, not down. |
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freedomboy wrote: SCREAMING BEEF wrote:coldfish wrote:Young men in Africa laugh at condoms. They have no fear of AIDS all they have to do to be cured is to rape a virgin, so they think.As long as we keep teaching them "abstinence" as a control to AIDS, and cut funding to organizations that distribute condoms, I'm sure that we can pray them into a prosperous, healty, futureWhy would you want to cut funding to the distribution of condoms? So far I think it's the best chance we have at combating aids in Africa. Cut funding for the promotion of condom usage and the fear is that aids levels will go up, not down. Well in that case there needs to some eductions aimed at these young African men about AIDS. |
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freedomboy wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:unclepercy wrote:What can be done about it? Nothing can be done about it. You can make some African millionaires much wealthier, but the lives of the ordinary people will not be touched. It would take some overwhelming force to impose order, crush corruption and build millions of schools a and force children to attend. Liberals all ways want things to happen by magic. It does not work that way. ........ I can assure you one thing it will not be the US that goes to Africa. We will stay out of Africa, thank god. Who would wants to get in to that slime pit.freedomboy, It would take some overwhelming force to impose order, crush corruption and build millions of schools a and force children to attend. I'm agree with you with this but not with it that Africa should be alone with there problems!! I'm sure there is companys from all over the world but something goes wrong all the time! Last time there was one Finnish company in Africa things didn't work out well. At first they builded watersprinklers. After they left the country next thing what happened was that there was water all over and then people came skick!!! And then they had to do everything again! And it's just ONE example! The problem is that things has to be reorganized better in Africa!!! USA shouldn't take responsibility of everything. At first nobody doesn't apprciate it even if they'll do good things. Second why they should spend any more money than any other country! Why do you think that liberals all ways want things to happen by magic? Liberal has different meaning in USA as in Europe. In Europe is something what's politically right. However some liberals may think like that. Some conservatives thinks that all problems will be solved just after starting a war without thinking what else it means!!! |
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freedomboy wrote: I can't see why anyone outside of that culture would have the slightest interest in these things. PROFIT??????? |
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ircontrite wrote: freedomboy wrote:Well it must be like Baily said," there is a sucker born every minute", but I would not give you a dime for it.I can't see why anyone outside of that culture would have the slightest interest in these things. |
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freedomboy wrote: ircontrite wrote:freedomboy wrote:Well it must be like Baily said," there is a sucker born every minute", but I would not give you a dime for it.I can't see why anyone outside of that culture would have the slightest interest in these things. Can you understand why anyone would give you say....$7Mill for a copy of the declaration of independance or $1Mill for a Wagner Baseball card |
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Those G8 protesters in Scotland are not helping Africa one single bit, they are nuisances to the approvement of Africa’s well being. These people who travel the world to protest, do it for the fun of it, to protest just for the sake of protesting. They don’t really care about Africa, all they care about is how much violence the can create! |
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ircontrite wrote: freedomboy wrote: ircontrite wrote:freedomboy wrote:Well it must be like Baily said," there is a sucker born every minute", but I would not give you a dime for it.I can't see why anyone outside of that culture would have the slightest interest in these things. Yes, an American and perhaps a European, well no scratch the European. |
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If you want to help the people, forget about the governments of Africa. Concentrate on helping the people of one or two counties, preferably our friends, By providing financing to American religious groups to buy hand operated water wells and DDT. The DDT will require special training. It is a very dangerous poison but very effective against mosquitoes. Providing the people with clean accessible water and fighting mosquito borne diseases will do more good that than a hundred well paid prostitutes for the local government boss. However,it is still probably a waste of time...........If you really want to do some good in the world, send your money to central America. In that region, there may be a real chance of success . |
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freedomboy wrote: If you want to help the people, forget about the governments of Africa. Concentrate on helping the people of one or two counties, preferably our friends, By providing financing to American religious groups to buy hand operated water wells and DDT. The DDT will require special training. It is a very dangerous poison but very effective against mosquitoes. Providing the people with clean accessible water and fighting mosquito borne diseases will do more good that than a hundred well paid prostitutes for the local government boss. However,it is still probably a waste of time...........If you really want to do some good in the world, send your money to central America. In that region, there may be a real chance of success . |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: The one who knows all wrote:Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?You are right. Media is not interested in people, who REALLY has problems. So far they are not white people!!! Hypocrisy is todays word!!! |
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freedomboy wrote: If you want to help the people, forget about the governments of Africa. Concentrate on helping the people of one or two counties, preferably our friends, By providing financing to American religious groups to buy hand operated water wells and DDT. The DDT will require special training. It is a very dangerous poison but very effective against mosquitoes. Providing the people with clean accessible water and fighting mosquito borne diseases will do more good that than a hundred well paid prostitutes for the local government boss. However,it is still probably a waste of time...........If you really want to do some good in the world, send your money to Central America. In that region, there may be a real chance of success . |
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freedomboy wrote: freedomboy wrote:How do you do it! How do you control where the money goes. This is real problem! It allways looks to be that the money ends up to hands of goverment and there it stays! Africa or Central-America? I don't hink there is to much difference!!! Goverment is the first one who has to accept the help what other countries offers!If you want to help the people, forget about the governments of Africa. Concentrate on helping the people of one or two counties, preferably our friends, By providing financing to American religious groups to buy hand operated water wells and DDT. The DDT will require special training. It is a very dangerous poison but very effective against mosquitoes. Providing the people with clean accessible water and fighting mosquito borne diseases will do more good that than a hundred well paid prostitutes for the local government boss. However,it is still probably a waste of time...........If you really want to do some good in the world, send your money to Central America. In that region, there may be a real chance of success . |
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The Western modus operandi in Africa is truly a shameful history. The largest problem is that the IMF and World Bank make large loans to African nations. However, these African nations do not have the economic base within their countries to ever have a chance of paying off these loans. Next, if any African nation pledges money to fight something like AIDS or tuberculosis, the IMF and World Bank step in and say that the agreement of the loan stipulates that you owe this much interest to us; therefore, you cannot spend that much on these health issues. As for the corrupt leaders in Africa, it's a wonder that the people making this claim don't have their teeth shatter in their head at the pure hypocrisy of such a notion. We don't know what happened to 8 billion dollars of US taxpayers money that was handed to Halliburton. We have in the US essentially a one party Congress that refuses to seriously look into this matter. As for US interest in Africa, they're pretty great in terms of oil, especially in Western Africa. Nigeria is ranked 5th in supplying oil to the US. Last edited on Thu Jul 7th, 2005 02:43 pm by skywriter |
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skywriter wrote: The Western modus operandi in Africa is truly a shameful history. The largest problem is that the IMF and World Bank make large loans to African nations. However, these African nations do not have the economic base within their countries to ever have a chance of paying off these loans.Africa is not corrupt you say. Well, what has happen to the tons of oil money that has entered Nigeria. Did it go to roads, hospitals, and schools? My guest is that it has a happy home in Switzerland. |
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freedomboy wrote:Africa is not corrupt you say. Has your argument become so specious that you resort to posting something I never wrote or implied? Where did I write that? I was implying that all governments have an aspect of being corrupt. And stop blaming the entire continent of Africa. It only identifies the prejudice in your argument. There's various nations with various problems and resolutions. Although, the horrible infliction of AIDS is something all these nations share, and that too comes in degrees. Sheesh, lighten up on the jingoism. freedomboy wrote: Well, what has happen to the tons of oil money that has entered Nigeria. Whoa. What? The oil money is already in Nigeria. The problem for the government of Nigeria is how to share the revenue among the various groups within the country. It hasn't done all the things it should, just as our government dropped the ball on an array of issues. Yes, there is corruption in Nigeria. There's corruption in the United States. The problems of Africa are also rooted in something even deeper, which my previous post pointed out. I found this article informative about the oil revenue in Nigeria. Read it. It might portend for Iraq. http://allafrica.com/stories/200507051845.html freedomboy wrote: My guest is that it has a happy home in Switzerland. You're making an insulting accusation with nothing to back it up. Maybe Nigeria took a cue from Halliburton and put it in the Cayman Islands. ![[eyeroll]](/forums/themes/default/sarcasm.gif) |
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skywriter wrote: freedomboy wrote:I said it was a guess, but there is probably a lot of truth to it . True, there is corruption everywhere but the level varies greatly from place to place. CBS' 60 minutes a few years ago called Nigeria the most corrupt country on earth. In Nigeria people actually chop holes in pipeline in order to steal gasoline. The countries of Africa have been independent for decades now. They can no longer blame their problems on the colonialist. They are worse off now than when they were colonies. Something is wrong. It is either corrupt government or just the nature of the people. I prefer to believe it corrupt government.Africa is not corrupt you say. |
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Hey, Bud. Max Theiler is Swiss. He may have been born in Africa, but he is as white as I am, and he studied in London and in Boston. He got his Nobel prize for work at HARVARD. I hardly think Africa can take credit for him. Allan M. McCormack is Scottish, and again a white man. Did his work at HARVARD, and he ended up at Tufts University in the US. Again, same story. You are giving me buttons out of a change jar. Worthless. Uncle The one who knows all wrote: unclepercy wrote:AHA! Another poster who didn't check his facts. Toni Morrison is American, born in Ohio. Proportionally, given the size of Africa and its population, they have contributed very little to humankind. They have taken far more than they have given. |
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freedomboy wrote:freedomboy wrote:The one who knows all wrote:bumpfreedomboy wrote:It would nice if you were right, but I feel strongly that you are wrong. Africa is a hopeless case. Money on the way to Africa takes a detour to Switzerland. Military intervention is totally out of the question. When Bill Clinton promised the Africans that we never allow another Rwanda; I think he knew he was lying. It would not matter if they had death camps and were killing people on a scale equivalent to the NAZIs. The US internal politics would never permit intervention in a black country. And, the UN, give me a break, they are worthless especially the Dutch. I don't know if they are cowards or just incompetent. The only hope I can see is maybe some type of African federation that might be strong enough to establish order.yoshimi wrote:That is totally the wrong way of thinking, is exactly what most of the world is doing anyway. Africa needs help, as it cannot help it self. If the rest of the world gives Africa the help it needs, it will give Africa the chance to start helping it self.Well Africa is just a logistical nightmare due to all the corruption. You can pour all the money in you want but its just funding corrupt regimes. For example Bob Geldof said recently that more than half of the aid raised by Live Aid was wasted through corruption. Ghana is the only truely democratic country in sub-sahara Africa that can be aided effectively. So until the political situation is normalised, there is no point in pissing money up against a wall of corruption.I agree with you concerning Africa. The only thing that can be done about Africa is to stay out and don't think about it. Ever watched Black Hawk Down? From what you said there, I guess not. |
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sistajune wrote:Hey, Bud. Max Theiler is Swiss. He may have been born in Africa, but he is as white as I am, and he studied in London and in Boston. He got his Nobel prize for work at HARVARD. I hardly think Africa can take credit for him. We don't know these things because whilst we had learned to record our history in writing most of African history was just passed down by word of mouth, from high priests and chieftains as such. I think only the Egyptians wrote down their history and gave evidence of it. Might be wrong about that though, not sure. Maybe the north-African nations like did as well. |
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sistajune wrote:Hey, Bud. Max Theiler is Swiss. He may have been born in Africa, but he is as white as I am, and he studied in London and in Boston. He got his Nobel prize for work at HARVARD. I hardly think Africa can take credit for him. I do know that the Zulu's inflicted the worse defeat of a modern Army in history ever. In 1876, 10,000 Zulu's, versus about 100 Brits, and in the insuing battle, which our soldiers never ran from, some 95% of the British force on the battlefield were wiped out, because of ignorant leadership splitting the force in two and not thinking that the Zulu's had the imagination to attack successfuly against the British line. So the redcoats fought to the death. I suggest you watch the film 'Zulu Dawn'. It's great  .Still, later on that day, 3000 Zulu's got a bit carried away and wanted to capture a place called Yorke's drift, and a force of about 40 British troops successfully defended their garrison hut from 3000 marauding Zulu's  . And we only know of this battle because it happened to a modern nation. Who knows what other epic battles Africans have had in millenia gone by. Last edited on Fri Jul 8th, 2005 04:07 am by British and proud |
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British and proud wrote: freedomboy wrote:yes, I remember Black Hawk Down and I remember the cries of racism that were starting to come out of the American black community. Bill Clinton got out just in time or he would have been a southern redneck racist. That is a laugh, Bill Clinton hates the people of the South. |
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British and proud wrote: sistajune wrote:Never underestimate an enemy. It is better to see them as giants rather than midgets. If one over estimates one may spend more money, but that is better than spending more lives. |
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freedomboy, You're arguing against the reality. The Western nations, including the US are very much involved in Africa. There are multi-national oil companies in Nigeria, and there are other nations next to it that the US is very much interested in because of the oil. Nigeria is ranked 5th as a supplier of oil to the US. If you don't think that's a reason for the US to take an interest, you're seriously deluded. The women of Nigeria protested against the Shell company, and Shell came to an agreement with them. So there are aspects where the Nigerians themselves our setting out to take control of their own destiny. I won't get into anymore details, because it's like water over stone with you. The entire premise of your argument is wrong, because it's the opposite of what you assert. The opposite being, the US is very much interested in Africa. And corruption is everywhere. Take a look at the current situation in the Philippines to name just one. You present an argument that demands an enumeration on so many levels, while your only burden is to keep pointing at Nigeria: "seesee, I told you so, I told you so." You're not even being honest with yourself, let alone me. |
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skywriter wrote: freedomboy,Why did the women protest Shell? Why did they not protest their own government?.......I know that we need the oil in Africa. And, I was not talking about Individuals and corporations. If you want to waste your money by sending it to Africa feel free. If you want to do good there buy and install hand operated water pumps. If you install enough of them maybe they will stay in place. But, I still think you are destines for failure. However, I want no more US government involvement there than is necessary for or interest. Individuals and cooperation should be warned if you stupid enough to go there you are on your own. But, most of all don't get our military involved in that hell hole. However, I would be willing to provide weapons to the resistance in Sudan.........Close down embassies everywhere in africa we can; I Know that is going to happen..........I have been in the Philippines. I have seen the corruption. |
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freedomboy, You don't even know the specifics, and you're already responding?
You see, these women were acting the way one does in a democracy. And it didn't fail. It succeeded. You're the failure, because you can't stand the fact that the global community is growing an impinging upon your little closed minded world. You're scared sh*tless.
These courageous people took it upon themselves to change things. Bravo. It contradicts everything you've posted on this topic. If you don't like what your government is doing, you take responsibility to change things on your own. I thought you right wing freedom lovers would relate to that idea, but maybe you're just the scared little sheep we all suspect you to be. These Nigerian women stood to change something their corrupt governmet refused to do. People can make a difference, even if their Africans. I know that's a radical idea to you, but it's reality. Here's a radical idea: Why don't you hold your government responsible for finding out what happened to the missing 8 billion dollars of US taxpayer that was awarded to Halliburton? Are you afraid you're going to fail, or you just don't care? |
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I care...but I don't know what the answer is to resolving the problems of these people... Just throwing money at the problem will not fix it...these are a people who have not learned to do the things that it takes to support their population...a people that have lived under Foreign rule for many years, then were simply thrown into the water to see if they could float...they can't float...I think that the problem is way too deep to be resolved in the foreseeable future. The African continent has vast natural resources, how can we (the rest of the world) teach it's people to use those resources to benefit themselves without "the world" seeing the effort as taking advantage of a poor people?...What is a permanent solution? Last edited on Fri Jul 8th, 2005 06:42 pm by ANI |
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skywriter wrote: freedomboy,Thanks for the education, but being that you are liberal I must be somewhat suspicious. My experience with liberals is that they like communist are very willing to lie for what they believe to be the greater good. However, I do agree that the involvement of the local people is a good thing. But, don't you agree that it is a shame that an oil company has to do the work of a government, building schools and such? One more question, what do you think would have happen if the Oil company had been a USSR company?............However, the fact remains that money sent to African governments will be stolen and there is nothing that we can do about it. Last edited on Fri Jul 8th, 2005 07:48 pm by freedomboy |
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freedomboy wrote:Thanks for the education, but being that you are liberal I must be somewhat suspicious. My experience with liberals is that they like communist are very willing to lie for what they believe to be the greater good. What does this have to do with the discussion? Are you saying that this news item never took place? I believe even Shell posted something about it. Do understand how neo-fascist your statement sounds? Just become a bit more curious about the world, and understand it. You can't do that solely on an opinion you've deceived yourself is correct. Don't be so paranoid. No one can control you, but you. That concept is scary to some people, because then he/she is all his/her own. It's lonely when one leaves the flock. freedomboy wrote: But, don't you agree that it is a shame that an oil company has to do the work of a government, building schools and such? No. It's not a shame. The oil company is taking advantage of resources from another country. Side stepping the inaction of the Nigerian government, the Nigerian women went directly to the company that was benefitting from their resources. It cuts both ways, because it is in the interest of the oil companies to have a stable and peaceful Nigeria. Both sides benefit. Since the US has invested 7 billion dollars in Nigeria, the US also has quite a bit at stake. Since this money is mostly in the energy sector, and Nigeria is the 5th largest supplier of oil to the US, it therefore behooves us to have a stable Nigeria. Smart move on the part of the oil company. http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/legislative/oilcompanies.html freedomboy wrote: One more question, what do you think would have happen if the Oil company had been a USSR company? Check this out: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-reforms7jul07,1,6242374.story?coll=la-headlines-world
My understanding is, and I can't verify this directly for you, but I heard on one program that the Communist Party in Russia was demanding Putin to make reforms in line with capitalism. Do you think that was one reason why Russia disbanded the Bolshevik Party. Don't get too hung up on labels. |
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skywriter wrote: I think it is a shame because if Nigeria did not have oil nothing would have happen. Do you at least agree it is not the responsibility of an oil company or any company. The government should tax Shell's production and use the money for the good of the people. Perhaps Shell should appoint a governor for Nigeria and just set up it their own corporate states. . They probably would do a better job for the people of Nigeria than the Nigerian government (sarcasm). |
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shywriter, do you believe that across the Continent of Africa Governments are doing their duty? Or, is it that duty is a western concept? |
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I am saddened that the attacks on London have over shadowed the G8 summit in Scotland, and the plight of troubled Africans. Not only did the terrorist terrorise London, they created less awareness of poverty, famine and other issues in the African continent around the world. |
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The one who knows all wrote: I am saddened that the attacks on London have over shadowed the G8 summit in Scotland, and the plight of troubled Africans. Not only did the terrorist terrorise London, they created less awareness of poverty, famine and other issues in the African continent around the world.I have sympathy for the British people, but they are tough they want break. |
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Who cares about Africa? I don't. |
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ConservativethatplaysHALO! wrote: Who cares about Africa? I don't. If you have nothing good to say, why say anything at all! That comment disgusts me. If you don't feel any sympathy for the millions of humans that die from disease, hunger and civil war in Africa, you have no caring bone in your body at all. |
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The one who knows all wrote: ConservativethatplaysHALO! wrote:Who cares about Africa? I don't. Hey, we try to help but they just don't seem to be going in the right direction with our BILLIONS of dollars. So I say, fuc* it. It's a lost cause. |
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freedomboy wrote: skywriter wrote:I think it is a shame because if Nigeria did not have oil nothing would have happen. Do you at least agree it is not the responsibility of an oil company or any company. The government should tax Shell's production and use the money for the good of the people. Perhaps Shell should appoint a governor for Nigeria and just set up it their own corporate states. . They probably would do a better job for the people of Nigeria than the Nigerian government (sarcasm). |
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freedomboy wrote: shywriter, do you believe that across the Continent of Africa Governments are doing their duty? Or, is it that duty is a western concept? |
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The one who knows all wrote: I am saddened that the attacks on London have over shadowed the G8 summit in Scotland, and the plight of troubled Africans. Not only did the terrorist terrorise London, they created less awareness of poverty, famine and other issues in the African continent around the world. Remember that Arabs played a big part in the exchange of slaves?? even the Kuran tells people they will be 'rewarded by Allah with slaves the question that springs to mind is, why the bombings in the season when these important issues about Africa is taking place. |
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Mitchelline wrote: The one who knows all wrote:It was Arabs that brought slavery to Africa. Before the arrival of the Arabs in black Africa, captives were use for entertainment. If you have seen the movies "The Naked Prey" You have an idea of what I am talking about. So, even though slavery had consequences for the United States it was a vast improvement for the captured Africans. Unless one like torture. Ok, someone is going to say, the Africans never tortured each other for entertainment. The American Indians did not do it either, neither did the pagan Europeans burn captive in wicker baskets. Don" forget about the lies about Roman gladiators, that never happened either.I am saddened that the attacks on London have over shadowed the G8 summit in Scotland, and the plight of troubled Africans. Not only did the terrorist terrorise London, they created less awareness of poverty, famine and other issues in the African continent around the world. Last edited on Tue Jul 12th, 2005 12:53 am by freedomboy |
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You should read the article on this thread...the Union of South Africa has got some problems that no amount of money can fix. http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum71/50961.html |
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ANI wrote: The only thing that can be done is to allow the people to have guns so they can protect themselves from rapist. |
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freedomboy, You're delusional. Stop spending your effort to demostrate to me how uninformed you are. Bush is pumping money into Africa as well as other nations, because they have vested interests. You own Idiot-King-Bush acts contrary to what you assert. Here's an example of more hypocrisy. It seems quite a bit ov vultures want to exploit Africa:
Freedomboy, You keep insisting with the same ridiculous nonsense, while ignoring what's been posted. How thick can you be? |
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The one who knows all wrote: Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?When this "white peoples media" has cared anything about black, yellow or red people. All the media and movies are interested in are green people in the planet Mars. New enemy. Perhaps republicans wants to make it sure that they will win next presidental elections!!! |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: The one who knows all wrote:Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?When this "white peoples media" has cared anything about black, yellow or red people. All the media and movies are interested in are green people in the planet Mars. New enemy. Perhaps republicans wants to make it sure that they will win next presidental elections!!! What the hell are you talking about? |
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The one who knows all wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:I you want to help the people of Africa work with the US Christian missionaries struggling there. Buy hand operated water pumps and hand operated water drilling equipment. Give it to the missionaries. Do not mail it or ship it. Someone from the US will have to escort each to it destination. To keep them from being stolen areas will have to be blanket with these pumps. Women in Africa waste many hours everyday walking for miles for contaminated water. Africa has many dangerous bacteria and parasites. Healthy people are more productive and better able to care for themselves. This alone would do much good. Do the same for malaria control. Warning, have nothing to do governments of the continent or as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.The one who knows all wrote:Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?When this "white peoples media" has cared anything about black, yellow or red people. All the media and movies are interested in are green people in the planet Mars. New enemy. Perhaps republicans wants to make it sure that they will win next presidental elections!!! |
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freedomboy wrote: The one who knows all wrote:Matti (FIN) wrote:I you want to help the people of Africa work with the US Christian missionaries struggling there. Buy hand operated water pumps and hand operated water drilling equipment. Give it to the missionaries. Do not mail it or ship it. Someone from the US will have to escort each to it destination. To keep them from being stolen areas will have to be blanket with these pumps. Women in Africa waste many hours everyday walking for miles for contaminated water. Africa has many dangerous bacteria and parasites. Healthy people are more productive and better able to care for themselves. This alone would do much good. Do the same for malaria control. Warning, have nothing to do governments of the continent or as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.The one who knows all wrote:Why does the world do nothing to stop the famine, the disease and mass death in Africa? Why doesn’t the world really do anything?When this "white peoples media" has cared anything about black, yellow or red people. All the media and movies are interested in are green people in the planet Mars. New enemy. Perhaps republicans wants to make it sure that they will win next presidental elections!!! |
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I watched the Live8 concert. Ridiculous. Hollywood actors worth over $50 million telling people to help Africa but to ask one of them to move into a middle class home would be too much. I don't need greedy Hollywood telling me what to think, yes people are starving in Africa, yes they are getting AIDS, yes their is war everywhere. But tell me something I don't know, tell me why I should give my money and time while Afican leaders pocket the money and let their people die. Sorry if this sounds selfish but this country has enough problems as it is, I don't think we should be going over their and eliminatin their debt while we sit in a huge deficit ourselfs. The Hollywood stunt known as the Live8 tour was nothing more than free advertising for rock bands and actors that probably can't name more than 6 countries in Africa. These people care about kids in Africa while they drive past less fortunate in this country. I'm tired of ranting. |
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Fritsch wrote: I watched the Live8 concert. Ridiculous. Hollywood actors worth over $50 million telling people to help Africa but to ask one of them to move into a middle class home would be too much. I don't need greedy Hollywood telling me what to think, yes people are starving in Africa, yes they are getting AIDS, yes their is war everywhere. But tell me something I don't know, tell me why I should give my money and time while Afican leaders pocket the money and let their people die.Don't dare send money. Give nothing to the governments of Africa. Work only with American Christian missionaries or the US peace corpe. And you are right we have plenty of problems of our own. Someone needs to care about what happens to Americans. NO MORE NAFTA. |
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NAFTA and Bush's new Taco styled CAFTA suck but it proves a much bigger problem. I don't give money to charity, I don't trust it and I figure Oprah and can send some of her check. (Not saying Oprah is bad, she just makes a lot of money although she helps a lot of people) ![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif) |
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Have you ever seen media would be interested in black peoples live! Africa is full of wars, tortures and human suffering. And it's question of things which are much worse than in Iraq! Saddam Hussein is only a mediacult which has been builded up by American media mafia with the help of republican party. He is not even near to be one of those worse tyrannis. USA don't have national interests in Africa so the media doesn't talk about Africa!!! First comes national interests, then comes American media mafia, then starts a war, then comes republican presidencandidate and elections and then starts a worldwide terrorism!!! And then comes republicans who has created everything and tells that without them the world would be full of terrorists. And nobody doesn't mention Africa!!! |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: Have you ever seen media would be interested in black peoples live! Africa is full of wars, tortures and human suffering. And it's question of things which are much worse than in Iraq! Saddam Hussein is only a mediacult which has been builded up by American media mafia with the help of republican party. He is not even near to be one of those worse tyrannis. USA don't have national interests in Africa so the media doesn't talk about Africa!!! First comes national interests, then comes American media mafia, then starts a war, then comes republican presidencandidate and elections and then starts a worldwide terrorism!!! And then comes republicans who has created everything and tells that without them the world would be full of terrorists. And nobody doesn't mention Africa!!! Maybe an African nations needs to threaten the US, for the US to help Africa. |
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If you want to help the people of Africa, work with the US Christian missionaries struggling there. Buy hand operated water pumps and hand operated water drilling equipment. Give it to the missionaries. Do not mail it or ship it. Someone from the US will have to escort each shipment to it destination. To keep them from being stolen areas will have to be blanket with these pumps. Women in Africa waste many hours everyday walking for miles for contaminated water. Africa has many dangerous bacteria and parasites. Healthy people are more productive and better able to care for themselves. This alone would do much good. Do the same for malaria control. Warning, have nothing to do governments of the African continent or as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. .......... How many of you agree with that? I agree we have many problems of our own, but I don't mine if the Africans get some help as long as it does not hurt us and the money or material is not waisted or stolen. Last edited on Fri Jul 29th, 2005 07:48 pm by freedomboy |
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The one who knows all wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:Have you ever seen media would be interested in black peoples live! Africa is full of wars, tortures and human suffering. And it's question of things which are much worse than in Iraq! Saddam Hussein is only a mediacult which has been builded up by American media mafia with the help of republican party. He is not even near to be one of those worse tyrannis. USA don't have national interests in Africa so the media doesn't talk about Africa!!! First comes national interests, then comes American media mafia, then starts a war, then comes republican presidencandidate and elections and then starts a worldwide terrorism!!! And then comes republicans who has created everything and tells that without them the world would be full of terrorists. And nobody doesn't mention Africa!!! |
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Matti (FIN) wrote: The one who knows all wrote:Matti (FIN) wrote:Have you ever seen media would be interested in black peoples live! Africa is full of wars, tortures and human suffering. And it's question of things which are much worse than in Iraq! Saddam Hussein is only a mediacult which has been builded up by American media mafia with the help of republican party. He is not even near to be one of those worse tyrannis. USA don't have national interests in Africa so the media doesn't talk about Africa!!! First comes national interests, then comes American media mafia, then starts a war, then comes republican presidencandidate and elections and then starts a worldwide terrorism!!! And then comes republicans who has created everything and tells that without them the world would be full of terrorists. And nobody doesn't mention Africa!!! you can't deal with this problem. Even as an "Europe". The reason is simple: Africa is like black hole and unless they don't wish to change something around them, there are (and will be) big problems. |
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little pete wrote: Matti (FIN) wrote:The biggest sin of Muslim is to be rich. Most of Africans are poor because of religionous reasons. But it's their busines. Other thing is those civil wars. There would be a need of co-operation between USA and Europe. At first trying to get political solutions. It help much more than you can ever belive. But if it doesn't work then those civilwars should be stopped by using force!!The one who knows all wrote:Matti (FIN) wrote:Have you ever seen media would be interested in black peoples live! Africa is full of wars, tortures and human suffering. And it's question of things which are much worse than in Iraq! Saddam Hussein is only a mediacult which has been builded up by American media mafia with the help of republican party. He is not even near to be one of those worse tyrannis. USA don't have national interests in Africa so the media doesn't talk about Africa!!! First comes national interests, then comes American media mafia, then starts a war, then comes republican presidencandidate and elections and then starts a worldwide terrorism!!! And then comes republicans who has created everything and tells that without them the world would be full of terrorists. And nobody doesn't mention Africa!!! |
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Western countries has plant a special purpose for Africans. They are on the path towards multi-international companies, globalistion and free trade. As well as we have seen in Europe where this neo-conservatism leads - in small countries because loosing workplaces - as well they have seen it in China because of working with very low slarys. And when this path ends to Africa we are back on slavery work again. American and worlds media mafia are not interested in peoples problems. They are only interested in how fat people can get fatter and how stupid people will get more and more stupid!! |
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unclepercy wrote: The reverse notion could be presented: Why doesn't Africa care about itself? They go about spreading AIDS, knowing what causes it, and not caring. They have children they can't support, and yet they don't practice birth control.Solutions can come from Africans itself. But before it Africans needs somebody to show how things are working in west. After seeing it they can do things themself. |
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Give me 50 years, a small army and I could whip the entire continent into shape. |
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unclepercy wrote: The reverse notion could be presented: Why doesn't Africa care about itself? They go about spreading AIDS, knowing what causes it, and not caring. They have children they can't support, and yet they don't practice birth control. Actually, retard, the problem with Africa is much of the culture doesn't know that much about AIDS and woman aren't able to protect themselves. There are some serious issues with culture and education in Africa. Here are two examples of culture problems with AIDS in Africa. One is the fact that husbands go into the local towns and have sex with infected prostitutes, then a woman can't require her husband to use a condom. If she tries to insist, he can beat her and then have sex with her anyway. The women can leave their husbands because then they can't live because women have very few options in Africa. Another is that men think that if they have sex with a virgin they are cured. So 12 year old girls are getting raped and then infected. These girls who are abandoned by parents who died of AIDS, then become prostitutes and spreads the virus to other people. Combined with the fact that famine and other diseases that normally are not an issue here are serious issues there are rampant. You seem to think they are all sitting around on their asses begging for welfare checks. That isn't they way it is. So moron, before you go spouting off at the mouth why don't you know what you are talking about. It makes this conversation easier and makes you look like less of an idiot. |
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Count Zero wrote: unclepercy wrote:Everything you said was correct, but I saw nothing wrong with with the tone of unclepercy's comments. The Africans themselves will have to do it for themselves. There are many grandiose project built by outsiders scattered across Africa that are slow corroding away. It is clear any money sent to Africa governments will be stolen. I think you just like to call people name. Perhaps it makes you feel big and powerful.The reverse notion could be presented: Why doesn't Africa care about itself? They go about spreading AIDS, knowing what causes it, and not caring. They have children they can't support, and yet they don't practice birth control. |
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Mueytor wrote: Give me 50 years, a small army and I could whip the entire continent into shape. They tryed it in Africa with help of colonnialism. In Sovjetunion they tryed with help of Stalin and in Europe with help of Nazism. Only Africa is left anymore. If we will pay a little more attention to Africa we can help them a lot. All of us. |
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freedomboy wrote: Count Zero wrote: Everything you said was correct, but I saw nothing wrong with with the tone of unclepercy's comments. The Africans themselves will have to do it for themselves. There are many grandiose project built by outsiders scattered across Africa that are slow corroding away. It is clear any money sent to Africa governments will be stolen. I think you just like to call people name. Perhaps it makes you feel big and powerful. There was something wrong with what he said. It was basically a statement of "screw 'em, they are just lazy and don't want to work". It is the same statement that is made about the poor here. It is close minded fools who are part of the problem. Yes there is corruption in African governments. But cutting off aid will do nothing but make the situation worse. There are other solutions, like more direct supervision of the funds. Just giving the money to a dictatorship is stupid. As to name calling, I call it like I see it. Perhaps you and your ilk should have a thicker skin and stop being so sensitive. I have grown tired of the hipocracy. You guys call names and we demand politeness... we are whimps. We call you guys names and we are trying to feel powerful. Stupid is stupid. You make a moronic or ill-informed statement and I don't care what your affiliation is... you are going to be told so. Last edited on Wed Aug 17th, 2005 02:05 am by Count Zero |
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Count Zero wrote: freedomboy wrote: Posted: Fri Jul 29th, 2005 01:46 pm  If you want to help the people of Africa, work with the US Christian missionaries struggling there. Help them buy hand operated water pumps and hand operated water drilling equipment. Give it to the missionaries. Do not mail it or ship it. Someone from the US will have to escort each shipment to it destination. To keep them from being stolen areas will have to be blanket with these pumps. Women in Africa waste many hours everyday walking for miles for contaminated water. Africa has many dangerous bacteria and parasites. Healthy people are more productive and better able to care for themselves. This alone would do much good. Do the same for malaria control. Warning, have nothing to do governments of the African continent or as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. .......... How many of you agree with that? I agree we have many problems of our own, but I don't mine if the Africans get some help as long as it does not hurt us and the money or material is not waisted or stolen. Last edited on Wed Aug 17th, 2005 03:43 am by freedomboy |
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the thought of Britain getting involved in Africa again is hilarious...they can't even stand up to Mugabee, let alone take the whole continent under its wing.